At least
@AZwildcats called my name. I'll give respect for that. I don't remember saying it would be exactly the same under Clinton, but I'm not going to argue over that. I said these white supremacist were coming either way.
We had the Tea Party, the birthers and Alt-Right all gearing up WHILE Obama was in office. Would if have gone exactly the same? No. But was this coming regardless? Yes. If you understand why they're mad it's obvious what's going on.
White people are becoming minorities and it scares the racists to death. They expect payback for what they did or allowed to happen to black and brown people.
As for
deuce king
and
RustyShackleford
what are your thoughts on this short video?
I didn’t mention you by name because I was not thinking of you specifically when I was writing my post. There are a good number of dudes on NT that fit the bill of what I talked about. Secondly, we have had our one-on-one, I have made my views known to you directly. Also like I told you in the past it is weird you take issue with you not being called out by name, when you make post insulting voters, and don’t name names. But it is whatever.
On to the video
I don’t need to re-watch it because I saw it a couple times already, and I read her article. While I do respect Alexander’s opinion a great deal, she is playing fast and loose with the details…
-She was a Bernie Sanders supporter, he can deny the endorsement but from her interviews, and events, it was clear. She wrote her pieces when it seemed Sanders was going to get stemrolled in the South, and she clearly wanted to avoid such an outcome. And it is funny she takes this hardline stance against Hillary Clinton, yet she supports Sanders who voted for the Crime Bill. Not only that, like I said in the Political Thread a couple times, unfortunately tough on crime measures were also popular within large segments of America, even the black community. The community never asked for mass incarceration, but unfortunately they support policies for decades that help leads down that road.
I don’t say this to let anyone off the hook, but for people to realize that tough of crime policies and mass incarceration is not just something the Clinton thought up, and then worked to impose of the black community. It is a simplistic talking point that obscures the truth of how we got to this place.
-But her words about Bill Clinton is a lot of half-truths to pedaling this talking point of the “low information black”. One that assumes black folk especially older ones only supported Hillary because Bill was nice to them, or Hillary goes to the churches, or said she has hot sauce in her purse, is mostly nonsense. While there is a bit of truth to this (except her downplaying LBJ and forgetting Grant completely), Hillary Clinton support was not just based strictly on that. The Atlantic ran a piece outlining how Clinton build her support in the black community from grassroots campaigning for years, addressing the issues in large public speeches, reaching out to people individually, and most importantly making Civil Rights issues a major part of her platform.
I don’t even want to make this a “Defend the Clintons” post. But I’m tired of dudes yelling talking points at me acting like THE piece of evidence that shuts down the argument, when I have taken the time to research and put things into context myself. I have said **** you to Hillary for her words and actions, called Bill am idiot, misguided and even a sws. But you tell some people “hey, that’s not really how it happened” when it comes to the Clintons and suddenly you are labeled Clinton stan.
Ms. Alexnader has every right to support Sanders, I did in the primary, but if her main two beefs of the Bill Clinton Era are criminal justice and attacking the welfare state (which are also mine). Then keep in mind that Hillary Clinton based her camping around fixing those issues.
Furthermore, if you are going to use this video, I would suggest you take some advice from her. She speaks on Clinton actions regarding welfare reform, and how that had a major impact on the black communities. Yet, I have seen you and many other dudes repeat the Tariq Nasheed “black women and white welfare daddy” talking point. Well famb, maybe you should not be mad at Bill over welfare reform because that sentiment is exactly the sentiment that was around on the conservative right and centrist left that drove through welfare reform. The idea that single black women would behave better if they were not participating in social insurance programs. Shaming any black person for being on welfare is BS. But I bring this up to show you how a sentiment can exist within the black community, and among the people the claim have done do them wrong.
-Now I coming from many dudes, I always here this argument of voters being emotional, thinking Hillary Clinton was a savior. When for me and most others on the site that voted for her, it was never like that. I as an economist, I like wonkish **** about public policy. Policy is always #1 for me. If Hilary Clinton came around pushing the same polices Bill did, I would not vote for her. But she did not, she had extensive policies that would have helped the black community. But somehow, dudes like to dismiss those policies because they are not labelled “this is for black people”. But like Coastes says, the next best thing is to say “this disproportionately helps black people”, which is what Hillary Clinton did. Get to universal healthcare, moving towards a national childcare system, sentencing reform, expanding the EIC, jobs programs, financial reforms, anti-poverty measures, etc., all disproportionately help the black community. The Dems and Clinton had those things in their platform, that is why I wish dudes read those things before making the false comparisons, and shading voters.
That is why she got the support of so many academics that research this stuff, and is why I chose to support her after she was nominated. Her answer to BLM was criticized by black folk but I thought was good. She keeps it #1HUNNA, she can’t change the hearts of racist, there will always be racist white folk, there will always be white supremacist. And I don’t give a flying **** about changing their hearts really. Let those clowns march with Tiki torches, be idiots and have the court of public opinion deal with the. I care about making them powerless in the socioeconomic system, and you do that through policy. Hillary said, you want change, sure, but the change comes with policy. That makes the impact, not platitudes, or complaining.
And furthermore, I know for her, or Obama, or another Dem, or another strong Civil Rights progressive to make real change they need a supermajority. They need 60 true liberal Senators, even the joke of a one Obama had for like 3 months would not do. So, I intended to try to get to a supermajority, and get liberals to take over enough governor mansions and statehouses for larger scale reforms to take place. Sitting my *** at home works against that. It just allows racist Republicans to block any progress and set up a de facto apartheid state.
But instead liberals, progressives, and mainly younger black dudes like to stay home for local elections and midterms, and thus the GOP (the party of white supremacy right now) sweeps them. That is what made the Tea Party so powerful. It was not marching on Washington, having stupid town halls among themselves, or being loud racist in the street. The went to congressional town halls, got organized after their dark money injection, and mostly importantly THEY VOTED. They voted a ton, especially in primaries, midterms, local elections and most important during a redistricting year in 2010. Which ****** Obama over severely. If basically ended his legislative legacy right there. Not more progressive ****, no more Civil Rights ****, not more demand side spending.
All because they took emotion out of it, and when the other side was asleep they voted and gained control of government. Now look at all the power they have. Supreme Court lost for a generation because the left refuses to vote but the right does, the House gerrymandered to hell because the left refuses to vote but the right does, voter suppression of black voters because the left refuses to vote but the right does, massive loses at the state and local level because these white nationalist vote but the other side is so damn apathetic. And now they are one election cycle away from possible getting a supermajority, and the party of Trump being able call a Constitutional Convention, which would be disastrous for minorities in this country. And we still debating is voting is the move?
It is not voters that are acting on emotion. It is non-voters.
Listen Brolic, we have always been cool and I have always respected your opinion. And I have learned a bunch from some of your post. I understand where you coming from, but I can't respect your opinion on this because from all the research I have done, things I have learned, and stuff I have seen, I see your position on is very flawed.