EDIT: New Question, is LeBron the second greatest player of all time? So, has Steph Curry overtaken

[wavycrocket]

yea that TEAM was so great that brorn led all of them in points, assist, rebounds and assist in every finals appearance

Have you looked at the 2011 finals:

Dwayne Wade: 26.5ppg/7rpg/5apg/1.5spg/1.5bpg

Chris Bosh: 18.5ppg/7.3rpg

LeBron James: 17.8ppg/7.2rpg/6.8apg 4TOpg

We really going to act like the 2011 Heat weren't stacked and Favored over the Mavs. REALLY. 2 of the top 3 players on one team....a top 15 Player in Bosh....


http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2011-nba-finals-mavericks-vs-heat.html

 

[wavycrocket]

Only on NT are dudes acting like Miami wasn't stacked. Like are y'all being serious right now? D Wade was arguable the 3rd best player in the league in 2011. Bron was the best player. Bish a top 10-15 player.

Bron averaged 17 points in the finals. This ***** scored 8 points in a finals game. If he plays up to his standards...the Heat easily win.

Like somebody said...Steph just had his 2011 LeBron-Esque finals this year. He can bounce back from it. Just like Bron bounced back from it.

 

[Proposition Joe]

Is this the super team that bosh scored 0 points in a close out game on? The super team that had a losing record when bron left?

Oh and ...

Yea so explain how bron played for a super team when 3 out of the 4 finals appearances he led his team In points, rebounds , and assist?? More assist than the point and more rebounds than the F/C

Either they weren't a super team or bron is the greatest player of all time, pick one

 

[MVP]

That's not what you said initially your quote is right up there. Then after you got called out for being wrong you amended oh I only meant the wins. But you're somehow referencing that 2014 which was a loss as well. You're all over the place. Just take the L.

 

[wavycrocket]

Is this the super team that bosh scored 0 points in a close out game on? The super team that had a losing record when bron left?

Oh and ...

Yeah. That Super team where there wouldn't be a game 7 without Hall of Famrr Chris Bosh...grabbing a rebound, and kicking it to Hall of Famer Ray Allen to send that game into game 7...and beat your Spurs.

And you switched your quote up

 

[Proposition Joe]

I'm making and have made my point very clear

THE MIAMI HEAT WAS NOT A SUPER TEAM

every time the heat won bron lead them in points rebounds and assist.

Let me say this again...

IF ONE PLAYER HAS TO LEAD THE TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS, AND ASSIST FOR YOU TO WIN, THEN YOU DONT HAVE A SUPER TEAM

 

[wavycrocket]

So-called stacked Miami been struggling since Lebron left, even before the injuries.

The 2014-2015 Miami Heat was not even the same team.

Bosh played 44 GAMES
Wade played 62 games

Whiteside JUST broke out...and played 48 games.

2014-2015 Miami Heat were injury plagued.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2015.html?mobile=false

I wouldn't expect you to know this though. .

 

[MVP]

They just saying stuff to say it man. They finished a game out of the playoffs even with all those injuries in 2014 and were a game away from the ECF without 2 of their top 3 players this year. Hardly call that struggling.

 

[Proposition Joe]

The 2014-2015 Miami Heat was not even the same team.

Bosh played 44 GAMES
Wade played 62 games

Whiteside JUST broke out...and played 48 games.

2014-2015 Miami Heat were injury plagued.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIA/2015.html?mobile=false

I wouldn't expect you to know this though. .

The heat had a losing record before bosh got hurt, they were like 8 games under 500 mr elitist

Fake lol

Oh did wade not miss a lot of games when bron was there?

 

[wavycrocket]

I'm making and have made my point very clear

THE MIAMI HEAT WAS NOT A SUPER TEAM

every time the heat won bron lead them in points rebounds and assist.

Let me say this again...

IF ONE PLAYER HAS TO LEAD THE TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS, AND ASSIST FOR YOU TO WIN, THEN YOU DONT HAVE A SUPER TEAM

Oh ok. So a team with a prime LeBron, prime Wade, Prime Bosh....surrounded by great role players. As well as the 2nd greatest shooter of all time and a hall of famer....isn't "stacked". Got you.

They only throttled out 4 players with about 50 All star games between them.

But Bron led them in statistical categories....so those guys aren't good. Got you.

 

[wavycrocket]

And of course the Heat would drop off once Bron left. He's one of the greatest players ever. But even so...they were a game away from facing Bron in the ECF THIS YEAR....without Bosh and Whiteside.

That's telling.

 

[Proposition Joe]

So are you calling them a super team or a stacked team? That was the reason for my original edit. I don't think super and stacked are the same

 

[MVP]

3 top 15 players is a damn super x staked team jeez.

Magic x Kareem x Worthy wasn't a super team.

Bird x McHale x Parish wasn't a super team.

Jordan x Pippen x Rodman wasn't a super team

KG x Ray x Pierce wasn't a super team.

Clown activity man.

 

[Proposition Joe]

Every year we had a younger Parker, ginobli, Duncan were were a stacked team. Never were we a super team

 

[wavycrocket]

So are you calling them a super team or a stacked team? That was the reason for my original edit. I don't think super and stacked are the same

Both. When you have two of the top 3 players in the league at one point....and a top 10-15 player....that's a super team. When you re-load with those same guys and add better role players...you get a stacked & super team.

But that's all semantics. My point is....those Miami teams weren't hurting for talent at all. They had some of the best mix of raw talent, championship pedigree, veterans and role players during that 4 year stretch.

You and other yo are out here making it seem like Bron was carrying those dudes all by himself......and they weren't favored, just because he led them in statistical categories. It takes a team to do this.

You should know better as a Spurs fan....who are a team that takes cast aways...and turns them into good role players based on the system and coaching.

 

[wavycrocket]

LOL @ better role players. Are those role players better because they are good or are they better because Lebron MADE them better? That must be why Jr Smith and Shumpert were great role players with Lebron and not Carmelo, am I right chap?  


It's not a super team when Lebron turns trash into treasure.

Shane Battier
Ray Allen
Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem
Mario Chalmers

These dudes are good role players. I was talking about the heat.

And JR Smith had a great year with Melo. He won his 6th man of the year award with Melo....and the Knicks won 54 games. He's far from trash. Just inconsistent and needs to be in the right situation.

 

[MVP]

Of course it does but you're not looking at the circumstances of each individual situation. He leaves Miami they struggle the first year, almost still make the playoffs with their top 2 guys missing a 1/3 of the season in totality. The next season, 1 of their top 2 guys misses 1/3 of the season again, doesn't play in the playoffs, and their other newly found stud plays gets injured and is out for the remaining 4 1/2 games of the 2nd rd otherwise they're likely in the ECF vs Lebron.

As for CLE clearly that's the exact same team in 2014 that they ended up having in 2015 when Bron came back. I mean c'mon son.

 

[MVP]

Shane Battier
Ray Allen
Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem
Mario Chalmers

These dudes are good role players. I was talking about the heat.

And JR Smith had a great year with Melo. He won his 6th man of the year award with Melo....and the Knicks won 54 games. He's far from trash. Just inconsistent and needs to be in the right situation.

Lion is the the most casual fan ever. Like most these dudes are proven players before Lebron. Just want to give him all the credit for everything.

I mean it's not like Kyrie was a 2 time all star before Bron got there or Kevin Love a 3 time all star and 2 time all nba performer before Bron. All hail Bron he is why the ball bounces the way it does.

 

[MVP]

Yea Battier was never a 2 time all nba defender or Ray Allen wasn't regarded as the greatest shooter ever before Steph came along.

 

[Proposition Joe]

Yea the role player thing is tough.

That's like Daniel Gibson. He was a three point playoff specialist with bron. But now.....

 

[MVP]

Everybody becomes a great role player after the fact. 


There are rosters in the NBA that have better role players than Lebron has ever had, and they haven't made the NBA championship 6 years in a row.....I wonder why....

Maybe because they don't have 2 other top 15 players along with the best player in the league in their squad and they're not playing in the East. Nah that can't be it.

 

[MVP]

You haven't answered my question, could anyone else have taken that team you just mentioned to the finals AND won.  

Can you tell me that with a straight face.

It's a hypothetical but you give any top 5 player in the league at the time 2 other top 15 players in Bosh and Wade in the East as it's been. I'm sure they can make the Finals. Hell Boston did it 2 outta the 3 years before and those dudes weren't even in their primes anymore like Wade and Bosh were. And they likely go to 3 straight without KG getting hurt in 2009.

 

[Proposition Joe]

It's a hypothetical but you give any top 5 player in the league at the time 2 other top 15 players in Bosh and Wade in the East as it's been. I'm sure they can make the Finals. Hell Boston did it 2 outta the 3 years before and those dudes weren't even in their primes anymore like Wade and Bosh were. And they likely go to 3 straight without KG getting hurt in 2009.

Bron has made it to the finals 3 times without wade and bosh though so that shouldn't be the only example, go look at that 2007 cavs roster

 

[wavycrocket]

Ok you put any of these players with KD, Melo, Curry, etc what's the end result?


Son said Mario Chalmers. :x  

Mike Miller was playing with lumbar sponylosis
Ray Allen is old
Haslem is ok I guess
Shane Battier is a decent shooter


None of these guys wow me if that's what your intention was.

KD could get a chip with that Miami squad...he's never had the same amount of talent like the Miami teams....and he's just not good as LeBron, so it's debatable. Melo is a tier below Bron...so no need to bring him up. Situations are different though man. You can't just pick plug in, plug out. That's a very simple way to look at things. And speaking on Curry....

He plays with:

-Shawn Livingston, who was waived in 2012...and played with Brooklyn the year before coming to GSW. At best, he was a solid backup pg

-Fetus Ezeli is Festus Ezeli

-Harrison Barnes....Welp

-Draymond Green was a 2nd round pick...that JUST emerged. Even Steve Kerr wasn't going to start him until David Lee got hurt.

Bogut can't stay healthy.

When you look at Golden State's roster...they don't blow you away on paper or really with each individual players resume. Golden State is similar to the Spurs in a sense. Some of all parts that maximize their role players strengths due to a great system, good coaching, Iggy's defense, Dray's emergence, and Steph and Klay's Gravity and greatness.

This was a team that was picked to finish in the bottom half of the West for the 2014-2015 season. NOBODY had them winning 67 games and a chip.

Compare that to Miami who had 3 in your prime hall of famers....surrounded by good role players. And this isn't to discredit Bron.

But let's really not sit here and try to act like he wasn't on the most talented squad in the NBA during his time in Miami...

 

[MVP]

KD and Westbrook are top 4 players in the league, what's their excuse?

The Warriors have allstars at multiple positions, what was their excuse this year?


We really gonna act like most playoff teams in the NBA don't have 2-3 allstars?

For Westbrook and KD: Thunder have been injury plagued 3 outta the last 4 seasons with injuries to Westbrook, Ibaka and KD successively. They choked away the 3-1 lead this year.

The Warriors made b2b Finals after having the best regular season in league history, so I don't know what your point is there.

And no most NBA teams don't have 2-3 all stars, let alone 3 top 15 guys.