Half a million millenial men are missing from the labor market

Networking and social skills trumps all.

Savants and glue guys will always have work. Odds are you wont be the best at what you do, but you can easily develop the soft skills that make people FEEL like you’re integral and worth paying.

After typing that, i just realized that social skills are probably what millennials lack the most. So yea, we screwed.
This hasn't been my experience at all. If anything, it's the baby boomers that are generally lacking in all skills.
 
Well seems like I am part of this statistic. I graduated this summer and have interviewed and haven't had any offers that made sense. Just keep applying and revising. Thankful I learned to be somewhat self sufficient but like someone else stated I am really just looking for stability.
 
nah chill...thats basically cuban socialism.

If the bosses offered raises, benefits and decent schedules and dignified working conditions, the federal jobs program would need to hire very few people.

A Federal jobs guarantee is not a take over of the means of production. Instead it would force bosses to do what they have demanded of workers, to step up and do better.

A federal jobs program would pay between 15 to 30 dollars an hour. If the private sector is either too stingy or too stupid that it can’t retain or attract workers in the face of the decent but still modest wages offered by the federal jobs guarantee, perhaps the private sector is not as efficient at allocating resources as we once thought.
 
Part of the problem is that it’s an “employers market” so to speak. People are fighting to work for them and not the other way around. Now they get to cut benefits and pay
 
This hasn't been my experience at all. If anything, it's the baby boomers that are generally lacking in all skills.

Maybe a better way to put it is that millennials lack the social schools that baby boomers understand. We just communicate completely differently.
 
Anecdotally, most of the millennial men I know, with a college degree, are doing pretty well
 
Part of the problem is that it’s an “employers market” so to speak. People are fighting to work for them and not the other way around. Now they get to cut benefits and pay
And not just that, employers expect you to know more, perform more tasks, and log more hours at work for the same pay. At my company, I have one friend working till 10 PM and another friend working till 1 AM on a vacation day. I refuse to let work consume my life that way.
 
And not just that, employers expect you to know more, perform more tasks, and log more hours at work for the same pay. At my company, I have one friend working till 10 PM and another friend working till 1 AM on a vacation day. I refuse to let work consume my life that way.
But if you refuse to do that, why should you get the job over someone who is willing to put in the work?
 
Job experience and skills aren't a focus in education. That's a real problem.
Who cares how good your grades are if you don't have practical skills.

QFT

Honor's Program means nothing to employers, unfortunately.
 
QFT

Honor's Program means nothing to employers, unfortunately.


Well to be fair it’s up to the students to make that happen. You see what the problems are. Fix them yourself or complain with the rest. Entry level is more demanding partly becuase more entry level workers carry that experience and skill to begin with
 
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But if you refuse to do that, why should you get the job over someone who is willing to put in the work?
To be honest, I don't know. From a company's perspective they want to pay a person as little as possible while making them work as much as possible. If people would collectively fight for higher wages and refuse to dedicate their lives to a company, we would all be in a better situation.
 
To be honest, I don't know. From a company's perspective they want to pay a person as little as possible while making them work as much as possible. If people would collectively fight for higher wages and refuse to dedicate their lives to a company, we would all be in a better situation.
But thats why you suck it up for a few years, and develop a skill set where companies are fighting over you, rather than the other way around. If the people who are perfectly fine with working the extra hours for less pay are willing to sacrifice because they will build their career and earn more in the future, why would they want to even the playing field and lose their competitive advantage?
 
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But thats why you suck it up for a few years, and develop a skill set where companies are fighting over you, rather than the other way around. If the people who are perfectly fine with working the extra hours for less pay are willing to sacrifice because they will build their career and earn more in the future, why would they want to even the playing field and lose their competitive advantage?
I just don't understand this mentality of having to "suck it up". Why? Why allow companies to dictate how everyone lives their lives, though? Allowing companies to dictate everything is why we have stagnant wages, corrupt politicians, and jobs constantly moving overseas. I fortunately work in a high demand field. As a result, it's relatively easy to find a low stress 40 hour per week job. I think everyone should have that option.
 
Everything Boris is saying is spot on.

I won’t knock the people who do all that extra stuff for a company who likely views them as expendable. I don’t know their personal situation, how many mouths they have to feed, and their dependence on the job. But their go the extra mile mentality is toxic in the long run because rather than appreciate that mentality, employers take advantage of it and frown upon those who just want to go in, do their scheduled hours and go home while being good employees.

At every job I’ve worked, I’ll be reliable, I’ll work hard and be productive and I’d hope my employers appreciate that. What I won’t do however is dedicate my life to the job, sacrifice my personal time to be on call for the company, and come in on my off days and work extra late like some of my coworkers do just because I know we can all be fired at any given moment and life is too short to have that property of the company mentality.
 
People complaining about needing to work too hard, too long, for not enough pay.

Any entry level job is basically learning a skill set that will enable you to get a better job in the future. It's just a broke boy mindset to be okay with paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to go to school and learn something that might not get you a job all while thinking working a tough job where you can learn actually employable skills all while actually making money to be exploitative.

It's the schools that are ripping you people off, not the employers.
 
People complaining about needing to work too hard, too long, for not enough pay.

Any entry level job is basically learning a skill set that will enable you to get a better job in the future. It's just a broke boy mindset to be okay with paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to go to school and learn something that might not get you a job all while thinking working a tough job where you can learn actually employable skills all while actually making money to be exploitative.

It's the schools that are ripping you people off, not the employers.

Wanting to he paid enough for your work is a valid complaint. Not working because the pay isn't enough isn't.

We know what an entry level job is. The problem is like stated earlier, the high majority of entry level jobs want way too many requirements that make it go beyond an entry level job. The high majority of people aren't going to school expecting their degree to not land them a job. People aren't that dumb.

And employers are ripping you off. If you don't think that, you wilin. You're paid scraps compared to the profit that is made. While the standard of living goes up, wages barely rise with it.
 
It's all about fairness. This is why I praise companies that provide workers with what's expected plus incentives and despise when ****ty workers get protected by unions, but I digress.

As many of you have mentioned, the problem is when companies started out-sourcing and government programs for certain trades dissolved. My dad an uncle got into and engineering program FOR FREE after highschool, but Regan cut that alongside with a bunch of other civil services.
 
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