HBO's Series: Game of Thrones (4/17, 9:00-10:05 p.m. ET/PT)

Originally Posted by Guppetto

The Queen Yelled NOOOOO when Ned was killed because she knows that The Starks (Northern armies), Dothraki and Stanus (The real next rightful heir - bastards don't count) are all bringing Armies to Kings Landing. In short, without The north (Starks) to stop the Dothraki at the wall, there's no way Joffrey is gonna make it. Joffrey's Grandfather (Lanisters) could probably handle Stanus, but he can't fight 3 armies to keep the little brat on the Thrown.
The Dothraki live on another continent across the Narrow Sea.  The Wall is to protect the realm from The Others whom nobody believes still exist.

Yes, Arya is missing at the time and without both of Catelyn's daughters a deal for Jaime can't be done.

Stannis is Robert's eldest brother.  You don't get to see him in the series because he resides in Dragonstone.  Renly is the youngest brother and was the one begging Ned to join him and overthrow the Lannisters after Robert's death.

  
 
Originally Posted by Guppetto

The Queen Yelled NOOOOO when Ned was killed because she knows that The Starks (Northern armies), Dothraki and Stanus (The real next rightful heir - bastards don't count) are all bringing Armies to Kings Landing. In short, without The north (Starks) to stop the Dothraki at the wall, there's no way Joffrey is gonna make it. Joffrey's Grandfather (Lanisters) could probably handle Stanus, but he can't fight 3 armies to keep the little brat on the Thrown.
The Dothraki live on another continent across the Narrow Sea.  The Wall is to protect the realm from The Others whom nobody believes still exist.

Yes, Arya is missing at the time and without both of Catelyn's daughters a deal for Jaime can't be done.

Stannis is Robert's eldest brother.  You don't get to see him in the series because he resides in Dragonstone.  Renly is the youngest brother and was the one begging Ned to join him and overthrow the Lannisters after Robert's death.

  
 
Originally Posted by Vendetta

Originally Posted by Guppetto

The Queen Yelled NOOOOO when Ned was killed because she knows that The Starks (Northern armies), Dothraki and Stanus (The real next rightful heir - bastards don't count) are all bringing Armies to Kings Landing. In short, without The north (Starks) to stop the Dothraki at the wall, there's no way Joffrey is gonna make it. Joffrey's Grandfather (Lanisters) could probably handle Stanus, but he can't fight 3 armies to keep the little brat on the Thrown.
The Dothraki live on another continent across the Narrow Sea.  The Wall is to protect the realm from The Others whom nobody believes still exist.

Yes, Arya is missing at the time and without both of Catelyn's daughters a deal for Jaime can't be done.

Stannis is Robert's eldest brother.  You don't get to see him in the series because he resides in Dragonstone.  Renly is the youngest brother and was the one begging Ned to join him and overthrow the Lannisters after Robert's death.

  
So does Stannis know what's going on at this point, i.e. that he's the rightful heir?  Right after Robert died, you saw Ned give a guy a message and tell him to deliver it directly to Stannis, but I don't think they showed whether the message got through.  I suppose Renly could have filled Stannis in, since he bailed out of King's Landing as soon as Rober died. 

  
 
Originally Posted by Vendetta

Originally Posted by Guppetto

The Queen Yelled NOOOOO when Ned was killed because she knows that The Starks (Northern armies), Dothraki and Stanus (The real next rightful heir - bastards don't count) are all bringing Armies to Kings Landing. In short, without The north (Starks) to stop the Dothraki at the wall, there's no way Joffrey is gonna make it. Joffrey's Grandfather (Lanisters) could probably handle Stanus, but he can't fight 3 armies to keep the little brat on the Thrown.
The Dothraki live on another continent across the Narrow Sea.  The Wall is to protect the realm from The Others whom nobody believes still exist.

Yes, Arya is missing at the time and without both of Catelyn's daughters a deal for Jaime can't be done.

Stannis is Robert's eldest brother.  You don't get to see him in the series because he resides in Dragonstone.  Renly is the youngest brother and was the one begging Ned to join him and overthrow the Lannisters after Robert's death.

  
So does Stannis know what's going on at this point, i.e. that he's the rightful heir?  Right after Robert died, you saw Ned give a guy a message and tell him to deliver it directly to Stannis, but I don't think they showed whether the message got through.  I suppose Renly could have filled Stannis in, since he bailed out of King's Landing as soon as Rober died. 

  
 
Who is Cersei going to take backshots from if Jamie is killed?  Tyrion?  The story of his one-eyed snake crying or being milked into her turtle soup was 
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Who is Cersei going to take backshots from if Jamie is killed?  Tyrion?  The story of his one-eyed snake crying or being milked into her turtle soup was 
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Originally Posted by shogun

Who is Cersei going to take backshots from if Jamie is killed?  Tyrion?  The story of his one-eyed snake crying or being milked into her turtle soup was 
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That and Robin Arryn always has me 
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Originally Posted by shogun

Who is Cersei going to take backshots from if Jamie is killed?  Tyrion?  The story of his one-eyed snake crying or being milked into her turtle soup was 
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That and Robin Arryn always has me 
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I bet that the actor for Stannis is probably gonna be some big budget star like Sean Bean so they can keep some viewers
 
I bet that the actor for Stannis is probably gonna be some big budget star like Sean Bean so they can keep some viewers
 
Originally Posted by knightngale

I bet that the actor for Stannis is probably gonna be some big budget star like Sean Bean so they can keep some viewers

Viggo Mortensen would shut other shows down for the whole season.  
 
Originally Posted by knightngale

I bet that the actor for Stannis is probably gonna be some big budget star like Sean Bean so they can keep some viewers

Viggo Mortensen would shut other shows down for the whole season.  
 
From an artistic standpoint I love that they kill a central character, this is not Star Trek, where only the guy in red dies. I like because the Death of a good man, great warrior and loving Father of six children happened and it happened swiftly at the hand of a capricious tyrant.

Such an outcome is in line with my view of the World, the one shared by both the the Ancient Greeks and Romans and that of my own Germanic ancestors (Anglo-Saxon, Rhinelander, Bavarian and Visigothic alike). Life is fundamentally a tragedy, we all die, we all could get killed or crippled or injured at any moment, physical and emotional pain are everywhere, old age is a time of pain and debilitation and is not one's "golden years." If you are successful, people will envy that success and someone is always out there wanting to take what you have There will always be people looking to kill, maim, rape, humiliate, subjugate you and your family (even if you have never meet them or never have wronged them in any way) and that in one form or another Winter is always coming.

I also like how we get to see the ugly and unvarnished world of absolute monarchy and the perils of win or politics. The poverty and insecurity and lack of dignity that is heaped on the shoulders of the masses, the results of the feuds between Aristocrats, is on full display and while this is listed as part of the Fantasy Genre, I hope that GoT thrones might change the minds of people who complain about how bad it is to live in a world of generally constrained government and generally unconstrained economic growth. The blandness and sameness of of our comfortable post industrial revolution, middle class lives are small prices to pay to live in a world where all but a lucky few live colorfull lives of misery, toil and poverty in rural villages and small provincial towns.

It is also one of life's tragedies that this season of GoT is so damn short.


BTW

I do not think that Cierci is worried about the Dothdraki yet. Earlier in the season she told Robert that they have no ships and no armor and no castles (and presumably no siege instruments) or discipline. Ned Stark also said that he would worry about the Dothdraki when their horses learned to gallop over the sea. Also keep in mind that Westros has formidable Naval power, it crushed the rebellion of the Iron Isles so the Dothdraki might have some trouble if the Westros Navy finds them sailing in troop transports and they have no Naval cover of their own.

Cierci was already worried about the battle with Stannis and she wanted an alliance with the North, which she described as too big to be conquered and governed. Even without an alliance with the North, she wanted them to at least just stay out of the war for King's Landing (and she will be even more disheartened to know that half of the Lannisterian forces were destroyed by Robb's army and that Jaime is a prisoner). If she wanted to avoid a war, she should have simply said that Ned Stark could leave, without bending his knee to Joffrey and just go to Winterfell and keep Sansa and Arya as hostages (to keep the North allied or at least be neutral) and when Ned dies, have Sansa marry Joffrey as was originally planned.
 
From an artistic standpoint I love that they kill a central character, this is not Star Trek, where only the guy in red dies. I like because the Death of a good man, great warrior and loving Father of six children happened and it happened swiftly at the hand of a capricious tyrant.

Such an outcome is in line with my view of the World, the one shared by both the the Ancient Greeks and Romans and that of my own Germanic ancestors (Anglo-Saxon, Rhinelander, Bavarian and Visigothic alike). Life is fundamentally a tragedy, we all die, we all could get killed or crippled or injured at any moment, physical and emotional pain are everywhere, old age is a time of pain and debilitation and is not one's "golden years." If you are successful, people will envy that success and someone is always out there wanting to take what you have There will always be people looking to kill, maim, rape, humiliate, subjugate you and your family (even if you have never meet them or never have wronged them in any way) and that in one form or another Winter is always coming.

I also like how we get to see the ugly and unvarnished world of absolute monarchy and the perils of win or politics. The poverty and insecurity and lack of dignity that is heaped on the shoulders of the masses, the results of the feuds between Aristocrats, is on full display and while this is listed as part of the Fantasy Genre, I hope that GoT thrones might change the minds of people who complain about how bad it is to live in a world of generally constrained government and generally unconstrained economic growth. The blandness and sameness of of our comfortable post industrial revolution, middle class lives are small prices to pay to live in a world where all but a lucky few live colorfull lives of misery, toil and poverty in rural villages and small provincial towns.

It is also one of life's tragedies that this season of GoT is so damn short.


BTW

I do not think that Cierci is worried about the Dothdraki yet. Earlier in the season she told Robert that they have no ships and no armor and no castles (and presumably no siege instruments) or discipline. Ned Stark also said that he would worry about the Dothdraki when their horses learned to gallop over the sea. Also keep in mind that Westros has formidable Naval power, it crushed the rebellion of the Iron Isles so the Dothdraki might have some trouble if the Westros Navy finds them sailing in troop transports and they have no Naval cover of their own.

Cierci was already worried about the battle with Stannis and she wanted an alliance with the North, which she described as too big to be conquered and governed. Even without an alliance with the North, she wanted them to at least just stay out of the war for King's Landing (and she will be even more disheartened to know that half of the Lannisterian forces were destroyed by Robb's army and that Jaime is a prisoner). If she wanted to avoid a war, she should have simply said that Ned Stark could leave, without bending his knee to Joffrey and just go to Winterfell and keep Sansa and Arya as hostages (to keep the North allied or at least be neutral) and when Ned dies, have Sansa marry Joffrey as was originally planned.
 
Damn, I Rex. I saw you had last reply and rushed in here thinking you'd penned a response longer than the first novel.

Dissapointed.
 
Damn, I Rex. I saw you had last reply and rushed in here thinking you'd penned a response longer than the first novel.

Dissapointed.
 
For the people that have read the book how is Stannis described as looking like? Im guessing the only fairy in the family is Renly while Stannis and Robert were warriors?
 
For the people that have read the book how is Stannis described as looking like? Im guessing the only fairy in the family is Renly while Stannis and Robert were warriors?
 
It seems like for most people on NT and the internet, four paragrahs may as well be a novel.

I am a huge GoT fan and have read the novels in the Song of Ice and Fire series. I am planning on trying to get the GoT fans in my neighborhood to participate in a giant group costume for Halloween 2011 (the 30 and 40 some year old neighbors have the kids needed for us to have the full compliment of characters).
 
It seems like for most people on NT and the internet, four paragrahs may as well be a novel.

I am a huge GoT fan and have read the novels in the Song of Ice and Fire series. I am planning on trying to get the GoT fans in my neighborhood to participate in a giant group costume for Halloween 2011 (the 30 and 40 some year old neighbors have the kids needed for us to have the full compliment of characters).
 
Wow the book A Game of Thrones came out in 1996?

Being the nerd that I am how the hell had I never heard of the book series until the show got made?

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Wow the book A Game of Thrones came out in 1996?

Being the nerd that I am how the hell had I never heard of the book series until the show got made?

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at me
 
I'm just breaking balls. I agree though. I like that no character is safe. I want to take on the novels, but I'm embroiled in the Masters of Rome series by Colleen McCullough, hitting about 1000 pages a rip.
 
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