How badly do you think pre marital sex has damaged our country?

[damu]

Originally Posted by ChampionEdition

the problem of the AMERICAN society is exactly this.

yes, this thread and you people. (well most of you)

so much emphasis is placed upon sex and nudity in this country.
we try to put it in people's heads that being nude is a bad thing and that sex is evil.

people naturally gravitate towards the taboo.

if sex wasnt such a big deal, then we'd have no problems.

i would write a thesis paper on this, but im not, cause no one is going to read this, and the people who do, are 15.

THIS

 

[breakyaneck3000]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

90% are missing the point RKO is trying to make..........take religion out of it and his point is valid, it wont ever change, but it's valid, sex before commiting to somebody (we call it getting married) has hurt us 100 fold more then it has helped us.....TURTH sorry, but it is

what about same sex marriage?  the only reason why these couples aren't allowed to get married everywhere is because of christian leaders who are in government.  and last time i checked, christianity is a religion that doesn't accept same sex marriage.  when the fact is that same sex couples could raise a child with great morals just as good as a couple composed of male/female. 

RKO's points and arguments are based around his religious beliefs.  in other words, his religion has him boxed in and he if goes outside that box, he will have failed his religion.

 

[breakyaneck3000]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

"premarital sex has dispelled religious dogma and myths for many people.� that sounds like a positive to me"




Yes but that's a good thing in "your opinion"........that doessnt count, sorry but maybe you are not getting what RKO is saying.......you can proove without sex before getting married that it would help many of things, yours is just an opinion of what is "better"

prove something then?  don't just tell me about it!

RKO has an opinion of what is better too.  his word is not the end all be all.  did you have a talk with THE god or something?  cause i talk with zeus on the regular and he said poseidon hates oil companies.

at least i can say that if we still lived in a time where religion ruled society and we didn't have all the freedoms that came from the disassemblement of religious rule.
there would be alot more people on death row. 

 

[raptors29]

I agree with just about everyone in here. Pre-marital sex is not the problem.

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by Damu

Originally Posted by ChampionEdition

the problem of the AMERICAN society is exactly this.

yes, this thread and you people. (well most of you)

so much emphasis is placed upon sex and nudity in this country.
we try to put it in people's heads that being nude is a bad thing and that sex is evil.

people naturally gravitate towards the taboo.

if sex wasnt such a big deal, then we'd have no problems.

i would write a thesis paper on this, but im not, cause no one is going to read this, and the people who do, are 15.

THIS

This is false, if killing somebody wassnt such a big deal would it still not make it wrong? it's the same as not being responcible for having sex, if it was "used to" having kids and not taking care of them due to lack of "planning" would it still not make it wrong?

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by Breakyaneck3000

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

"premarital sex has dispelled religious dogma and myths for many people.� that sounds like a positive to me"




Yes but that's a good thing in "your opinion"........that doessnt count, sorry but maybe you are not getting what RKO is saying.......you can proove without sex before getting married that it would help many of things, yours is just an opinion of what is "better"

prove something then?  don't just tell me about it!

RKO has an opinion of what is better too.  his word is not the end all be all.  did you have a talk with THE god or something?  cause i talk with zeus on the regular and he said poseidon hates oil companies.

at least i can say that if we still lived in a time where religion ruled society and we didn't have all the freedoms that came from the disassemblement of religious rule.
there would be alot more people on death row. 

What does God have anything to do with this?.....I think that's your beef homie, not what Im saying.........I can proove that 8 out of 10 Mothers who have a Child before the age of 18yrs old do not stay with the Father and children who grow up in a single parent household are 8xtimes at more risk to commit a felony, sad huh?.......this has nothing to do with God and RKO isnt saying it needs to stop this is a "what if" question.....relax

 

[raburns04]

This debate has trended toward people having kids out of wedlock. That's only one consequence of premarital sex.

I won't say premarital sex has ruined our country, although I am a Christian who thinks sex is best reserved for marriage or a marriage-level commitment. I will say, however, that Americans, in general, have uptight attitudes toward addressing sexual issues and casual attitudes toward the act itself. This is dangerous. Young people enter into sex without really knowing the physical and emotional consequences.

Think of the drama you may have had to endure with a JO thinking she means more than she really does to you . . . all because you shared bodies and a bed ([sarcasm] shame on her! [/sarcasm]). Think about your first STD or pregnancy scare. Now think harder if you were messing with more than one person at the time. Think about how unfair it is that you compare your partner to all of the ones that came before him/her (consciously or subconsciously). You don't have to adopt my thoughts on sex and marriage, but I think most of us could benefit from being more selective in who we bed.

 

[breakyaneck3000]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by Breakyaneck3000

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

"premarital sex has dispelled religious dogma and myths for many people.� that sounds like a positive to me"




Yes but that's a good thing in "your opinion"........that doessnt count, sorry but maybe you are not getting what RKO is saying.......you can proove without sex before getting married that it would help many of things, yours is just an opinion of what is "better"

prove something then?  don't just tell me about it!

RKO has an opinion of what is better too.  his word is not the end all be all.  did you have a talk with THE god or something?  cause i talk with zeus on the regular and he said poseidon hates oil companies.

at least i can say that if we still lived in a time where religion ruled society and we didn't have all the freedoms that came from the disassemblement of religious rule.
there would be alot more people on death row. 

What does God have anything to do with this?.....I think that's your beef homie, not what Im saying.........I can proove that 8 out of 10 Mothers who have a Child before the age of 18yrs old do not stay with the Father and children who grow up in a single parent household are 8xtimes at more risk to commit a felony, sad huh?.......this has nothing to do with God and RKO isnt saying it needs to stop this is a "what if" question.....relax

my bad... thought you meant that RKOs views were infallible.

what you "proved" has nothing to do with premarital sex and everything to do with SEX EDUCATION or the lack thereof.

you don't have to be married to be responsible and committed, what about the ridiculous amount of divorces?!?!  what do you blame for that?

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by Breakyaneck3000

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by Breakyaneck3000

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

"premarital sex has dispelled religious dogma and myths for many people.� that sounds like a positive to me"




Yes but that's a good thing in "your opinion"........that doessnt count, sorry but maybe you are not getting what RKO is saying.......you can proove without sex before getting married that it would help many of things, yours is just an opinion of what is "better"

prove something then?  don't just tell me about it!

RKO has an opinion of what is better too.  his word is not the end all be all.  did you have a talk with THE god or something?  cause i talk with zeus on the regular and he said poseidon hates oil companies.

at least i can say that if we still lived in a time where religion ruled society and we didn't have all the freedoms that came from the disassemblement of religious rule.
there would be alot more people on death row. 

What does God have anything to do with this?.....I think that's your beef homie, not what Im saying.........I can proove that 8 out of 10 Mothers who have a Child before the age of 18yrs old do not stay with the Father and children who grow up in a single parent household are 8xtimes at more risk to commit a felony, sad huh?.......this has nothing to do with God and RKO isnt saying it needs to stop this is a "what if" question.....relax

my bad... thought you meant that RKOs views were infallible.

what you "proved" has nothing to do with premarital sex and everything to do with SEX EDUCATION or the lack thereof.

you don't have to be married to be responsible and committed, what about the ridiculous amount of divorces?!?!  what do you blame for that?

Bro you are just not getting it, I want to reply but you dont get that "sex ed" wouldnt be needed if you waited until you get "married" to have sex, will this ever happen? no, but the thread was started saying would we be better off if people waited to have sex and the answer is YES, sorry but "God" aside you cant deny the negative effects it's had on our culture.........it's just true

 

[ninjahood]

Originally Posted by Frische Produkte

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Logout, go outside, and take your religious views with you.[/color]

word....religious propaganda post in disguised....

 

[sn00pee]

Originally Posted by raburns04

This debate has trended toward people having kids out of wedlock. That's only one consequence of premarital sex.

I won't say premarital sex has ruined our country, although I am a Christian who thinks sex is best reserved for marriage or a marriage-level commitment. I will say, however, that Americans, in general, have uptight attitudes toward addressing sexual issues and casual attitudes toward the act itself. This is dangerous. Young people enter into sex without really knowing the physical and emotional consequences.

Think of the drama you may have had to endure with a JO thinking she means more than she really does to you . . . all because you shared bodies and a bed ([sarcasm] shame on her! [/sarcasm]). Think about your first STD or pregnancy scare. Now think harder if you were messing with more than one person at the time. Think about how unfair it is that you compare your partner to all of the ones that came before him/her (consciously or subconsciously). You don't have to adopt my thoughts on sex and marriage, but I think most of us could benefit from being more selective in who we bed.

+1. Good point

 

[onhollowedground821]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Frische Produkte

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Logout, go outside, and take your religious views with you.[/color]

word....religious propaganda post in disguised....

And? what if he wants to? I read 100xtimes more "Worldly" propaganda each day here on NT.........let him be if that's what he wants to bring up or talk about, you dont have to read it or agree.........the scale is super un-even when it's comes to this kinda stuff, if people have that big of a problem with his "propaganda" then dont reply and let it fall down to page 500

 

[danikerhino]

Drugs and the government cutting off child development programs.

 

[hankzilla]

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[antbanks81]

I believe it has crippled the practice of marriage. There are too many that feel there is no point in buying the cow if you can get the milk free. Then it has damaged families b/c not enough of us even practice safe sex. It feels good doing it but there are so many short and long term consequences.

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Frische Produkte

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Logout, go outside, and take your religious views with you.[/color]

word....religious propaganda post in disguised....

How is it that when I'm asking would we be better off and pointing out how it has damaged our society?

Its out there everyday for anyone who has eyes. You can have all the sex ed in the world, but that aint going to curve anything. We got laws that are drilled in our heads since we're young and many people still break them.

You know "Don't steal or else you're going top jail"? That's just like preaching abstinence isn't it.

You dudes are so blind by your hate/dislike for religion, you don't even admit to simple things that would improve our daily lives. Get your heads out of your "

" and pay attention. You all like to preach acceptance, well accept someone pointing out the error in our daily lives.

 

[ninjahood]

umm i dunno bout you but i like sex, why wait till marriage? its a damn thing we as humans do...what im posed to do, FAP in da meantime?

i like that sex has become cliched...takes power away from starving people sexually to follow some kind of religion...

you know who used this kind of "don't have sex till i say so" method? Jim Jones...(not da rapper)

 

[sn00pee]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Frische Produkte

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Logout, go outside, and take your religious views with you.[/color]

word....religious propaganda post in disguised....

How is it that when I'm asking would we be better off and pointing out how it has damaged our society?

Its out there everyday for anyone who has eyes. You can have all the sex ed in the world, but that aint going to curve anything. We got laws that are drilled in our heads since we're young and many people still break them.

You know "Don't steal or else you're going top jail"? That's just like preaching abstinence isn't it.

You dudes are so blind by your hate/dislike for religion, you don't even admit to simple things that would improve our daily lives. Get your heads out of your "

" and pay attention. You all like to preach acceptance, well accept someone pointing out the error in our daily lives.

lol no. Stealing isnt "natural". If people were properly taught what sex is, how it can affect you, how to take precautions, etc. then you see a great decline in all the negatives you associate with pre-marital sex. It seems people would rather let ignorance slide than trying to educate one another

 

[sreggie101]

Originally Posted by Raise the Cup

RKO2004 wrote:

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How badly do you think pre marital sex has damaged our country?

You have to take into account that "no pre-marital sex before marriage" is a rule instituted by organized religion, which is the single most damaging entity ever known in our existence.
  

 

[rko2004]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by ninjahood

Originally Posted by Frische Produkte

[color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Logout, go outside, and take your religious views with you.[/color]

word....religious propaganda post in disguised....

And? what if he wants to? I read 100xtimes more "Worldly" propaganda each day here on NT.........let him be if that's what he wants to bring up or talk about, you dont have to read it or agree.........the scale is super un-even when it's comes to this kinda stuff, if people have that big of a problem with his "propaganda" then dont reply and let it fall down to page 500

Exactly. Dudes post near porn pictures and openly talk about cheating on their spouses. But I can't challenge the very things that are tearing our world apart?

lol no. Stealing isnt "natural". If people were properly taught what sex is, how it can affect you, how to take precautions, etc. then you see a great decline in all the negatives you associate with pre-marital sex. It seems people would rather let ignorance slide than trying to educate one another

Its natural to take what you want. Its just not right.

 

[vsano]

The problem w/ premarital sex is the sad fact that the people involved aren't prepared for the worst case scenario... There are no religious issues to be contemplated, just common sense. Always use your two heads, not just the one in your groin. I think, it's casual sex that ruined many families, society...

 

[jehul]

Originally Posted by Hizzle

The problem is not premarital sex. The problem is uneducated, low-income (all around stupid) people having children. The stupidest people in this country have the most children. Then these stupid people mentally and physically abuse their children. These people are alcoholics, drug abusers, criminals, etc. raising children. Their children become what their parents were, and the cycle repeats. It never stops.

And who supports all these people? The taxpayer. That's who pays for the jails, the clinics, the courts, etc.

But the funny thing is, people feel like everyone has the right to raise a child. You need a license to drive and go fishing, but any idiot is allowed to raise a child. So we can never tell these people "Hey, you're not fit to raise 3 children with your income."


Sometimes people get mad at this, but don't be. Of course there's an exception to every rule and there are people who come from terrible upbringings to become great people. But that's the exception. For every one of them, there's a million idiots.

This would be a good idea. Want a kid, you have to apply for a license. If you fail, you can come back and reapply when you get your issues/finances in order. It can only help the children that come into this world.

 

[teamjordan79]

Originally Posted by Jehul

Originally Posted by Hizzle

The problem is not premarital sex. The problem is uneducated, low-income (all around stupid) people having children. The stupidest people in this country have the most children. Then these stupid people mentally and physically abuse their children. These people are alcoholics, drug abusers, criminals, etc. raising children. Their children become what their parents were, and the cycle repeats. It never stops.

And who supports all these people? The taxpayer. That's who pays for the jails, the clinics, the courts, etc.

But the funny thing is, people feel like everyone has the right to raise a child. You need a license to drive and go fishing, but any idiot is allowed to raise a child. So we can never tell these people "Hey, you're not fit to raise 3 children with your income."


Sometimes people get mad at this, but don't be. Of course there's an exception to every rule and there are people who come from terrible upbringings to become great people. But that's the exception. For every one of them, there's a million idiots.

This would be a good idea. Want a kid, you have to apply for a license. If you fail, you can come back and reapply when you get your issues/finances in order. It can only help the children that come into this world.

logical idea on paper but contradicts a natural freedom of man. If people have an unplanned child w/o a license then what? abortion? given to foster care until parents are qualified for license? This is prolly something Arizona will pass next week tho 

 

[livewyre]

i still don't understand how no premarital sex negatively impacts society as a whole. it seems like the only complaint you have is that there are single parents. but what about the high divorce rate, and the fact that these children would still end up with parents that are single. so now you have an ex-spouse instead of baby daddy. different semantics same problem.

like others have said, i think they real issue is lack of sexual education in pre-teens. human evolution has set up a system in which their bodies are ready to reproduce before they are mentally. 300-400 years ago when life expectancy was so low people had to reproduce at that age in order for humans to survive. it isn't like that today.

you can be pro premarital sex and anti teenagers having sex. the two aren't mutually exclusive. the problem is some people flat out don't believe in sex before marriage, so instead of educating their children about safe sex they preach abstinence. and then send their children out into a world where everyone doesn't follow the same rules.

also it's not as if premarital sex was ever not a part of society. so it can't be ruining American society since it was always apart of American society, word to Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin.

 

[breakyaneck3000]

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by Breakyaneck3000

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

Originally Posted by Breakyaneck3000

Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821

"premarital sex has dispelled religious dogma and myths for many people.� that sounds like a positive to me"




Yes but that's a good thing in "your opinion"........that doessnt count, sorry but maybe you are not getting what RKO is saying.......you can proove without sex before getting married that it would help many of things, yours is just an opinion of what is "better"

prove something then?  don't just tell me about it!

RKO has an opinion of what is better too.  his word is not the end all be all.  did you have a talk with THE god or something?  cause i talk with zeus on the regular and he said poseidon hates oil companies.

at least i can say that if we still lived in a time where religion ruled society and we didn't have all the freedoms that came from the disassemblement of religious rule.
there would be alot more people on death row. 

What does God have anything to do with this?.....I think that's your beef homie, not what Im saying.........I can proove that 8 out of 10 Mothers who have a Child before the age of 18yrs old do not stay with the Father and children who grow up in a single parent household are 8xtimes at more risk to commit a felony, sad huh?.......this has nothing to do with God and RKO isnt saying it needs to stop this is a "what if" question.....relax

my bad... thought you meant that RKOs views were infallible.

what you "proved" has nothing to do with premarital sex and everything to do with SEX EDUCATION or the lack thereof.

you don't have to be married to be responsible and committed, what about the ridiculous amount of divorces?!?!  what do you blame for that?

Bro you are just not getting it, I want to reply but you dont get that "sex ed" wouldnt be needed if you waited until you get "married" to have sex, will this ever happen? no, but the thread was started saying would we be better off if people waited to have sex and the answer is YES, sorry but "God" aside you cant deny the negative effects it's had on our culture.........it's just true

i do get it, i just don't agree that sex is something you should do until you get married.  i also think people shouldn't be having sex until they are fully developed physically, and that age is different for everyone.

and to reply to this quote:"but the thread was started saying would we be better off if people waited to have sex and the answer is YES"

no it would not, marriage is not educating anyone to be responsible sexually active people.  education is the key.

i know a married couple who are in their early 30's who aren't nearly as smart, well-mannered, EDUCATED as most of my friends who are single in their 20's who are having sex and unmarried. 

the couple in their 30's has 3 kids and 1 on the way.  they live in a small 1 bedroom apartment.  two of their children sleep next to the kitchen and all they have for privacy is a couple blankets hanging from the ceiling to separate then from the living room/kitchen areas.  it's sad but at least they are married?  marriage is not the answer.

marriage as we know it today doesn't make people evolve into responsible members of society.  in my opinion the idea of marriage(two lovers making a commitment to each other to live as one for as long as they live) has been desecrated by church/state.