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How is Cam'ron not considered a Hip Hop Legend?
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Yea, because your credibility is ROCK solid. Those dudes ain't legends. You're reaching. Use your brain for once, think about what a legend truly is,and then come back to me.
Dudes are nice and make some great music. But "legends"? Stop trying to create some new "sub legend" category to fit your argument when youknow exactly what the %!%* we're talking about.
Let's not even get into "self proclaimed" with your "PHD in Hip Hop". You wouldn't have even made it out of undergrad......
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Just stop. Every post you are further embarrassing yourself.
I already explained why Cam is a legend. Percee P is probably the definition of what a street legend is. Just about every up and coming rapper in NYC went tohim looking to Collab... think of someone... chances are they were looking for Percee. From the DITC dudes to Eminem... everyone who mattered knew what wasgood. His only weakness was not dropping an album for so long, but as a rapper, he's unquestionably legendary. From working with BDK to selling his recordsout in front of Fat Beats... dude is an icon of NY hip hop for those that know whats up. He's your favorite rappers-favorite rapper. Same for Arty, when Ithink of a underrated NYC street legend, he comes up right away. Dudes really judging off his youtube battle with Mook ? Disgusting. Go back and look at hisolder work with the Ghetto Dwellaz and other NY figure heads; he had respect from EVERYONE. Him and Percee are two of the greatest to ever come out of theBX/NYC. Sean Price... come on. Do I really have to type ? Look at his discography, the groups he's worked with and the classics he's been a part of.
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I stopped reading here. I'll give you a pass since you not from NYC though.
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lol @ grouping cam with percee p and party arty
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Agreed, they are very underrated and they have made classics over the years. P has always been a favorite of mine. Also to whoever says Ghost isn't alegend must a young'n or just listens to south music.
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Cam is legendary because of his role in the mid-late 90's NYC hip hop. This is exactly the same for Arty, Percee and Sean P.
I guess you really would have to have been around that time to understand. Basically, all them dudes were in the elite class of underrated MC's; the typethat wasn't getting the attention BIG was.. but were still easily recognizable and respected by hip hop fans and rappers everywhere in NYC. Anyone who wasanyone was looking for these dudes to co-sign. Go around walking in Harlem/South Bronx/Brooklyn in the 90's and every respectable hip hop head would letyou know about the status of these dudes. They are iconic.
I guess you really would have to have been around that time to understand. Basically, all them dudes were in the elite class of underrated MC's; the typethat wasn't getting the attention BIG was.. but were still easily recognizable and respected by hip hop fans and rappers everywhere in NYC. Anyone who wasanyone was looking for these dudes to co-sign. Go around walking in Harlem/South Bronx/Brooklyn in the 90's and every respectable hip hop head would letyou know about the status of these dudes. They are iconic.
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i seen dude begging people to buy his tape on 42 street...
Then I seen that N' get boo off stage at common concert a couple of years ago...
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Agreed, but I still don't consider Cam a hip hop legend
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You don't really have to be popular to be a legend.
Part of why Arty, Percee, Sean P and Cam to some extent were legends was because of how accessible they were to people. You walk around and you could actuallymeet these dudes and get their works from them personally on the street. They were making music directly for the people and the street but still doing it at anelite level. They never sold out with a goal in mind of getting as many people to know them and buy their !!*# as possible (such as Cam after 2000). Thats whyto this day new rappers and groups are looking for Percee for that respect he brings on a co-sign. No one respectable is looking for the respect a Dipsetco-sign brings... they just want the added record sales that would bring. Look up the definition of legend... that's exactly what these four dudes where toNYC in the 90's.
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You need to stop with that "you would have had to be around to understand" !@+#. Dudes were around. Being in an elite class of underrated MC'sdoesn't make you a legend. Being accessible doesn't make you a legend. You need to make a SERIOUS impact to be a "legend". Even by your owndescriptions, they were not. Not every "recognizable and respected" MC is a "legend"? How can you not see that?
Nothing you've said makes those guys legends. You can type until you get Carpal Tunnel and they won't be legends. I know all about Party Arty. AndPercee P. I have the 12 inch for "Lung Collapsing Lyrics". Percy wound up being most famous BECAUSE he was posted up outside of Fat Beats selling his!@+#. Would a "legend" really need to do that though?
And what new rappers and groups are looking for a Percee P cosign? You are talking straight $%$!!@$*, in an attempt to solidify an argument that had nofoundation to begin with.
You fail to realize that them being legends in YOUR MIND does not make them "legends" in the true definition of the word.
How can you even say that Cam and Arty, Percee and Sean P are legends for the same reason when Cam has done so much more than they have?
This really isn't getting us anywhere. I am more than happy to leave you stuck on stupid.
Nothing you've said makes those guys legends. You can type until you get Carpal Tunnel and they won't be legends. I know all about Party Arty. AndPercee P. I have the 12 inch for "Lung Collapsing Lyrics". Percy wound up being most famous BECAUSE he was posted up outside of Fat Beats selling his!@+#. Would a "legend" really need to do that though?
And what new rappers and groups are looking for a Percee P cosign? You are talking straight $%$!!@$*, in an attempt to solidify an argument that had nofoundation to begin with.
You fail to realize that them being legends in YOUR MIND does not make them "legends" in the true definition of the word.
How can you even say that Cam and Arty, Percee and Sean P are legends for the same reason when Cam has done so much more than they have?
This really isn't getting us anywhere. I am more than happy to leave you stuck on stupid.
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Btw Fat Joe is a legend now?
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David Thompson is a basketball legend. Chances are, unless you were around his time or were a real big basketball fan; chances are you never heard of him orbarely saw him play. Everyone knows who Stephon Marbury is nowadays... is he a legend ?
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U could never sell out and still be a legend hence De La Soul...Public Enemy...Kool G Rap... Grand Puba...
but then dudes don't have the catalogue or left any impact...even in the streets of ny...(hell pary arty died and barely anyone cared)
maybe if u argued someone like Cormega...who has made a classic album...
but then dudes don't have the catalogue or left any impact...even in the streets of ny...(hell pary arty died and barely anyone cared)
maybe if u argued someone like Cormega...who has made a classic album...
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If you not known you cannot be a legend.... 49/50ths of NT asking themselves "who the ##%+ is percee pee"...... nothing legendary about that.
Lets not get off topic though
Lets not get off topic though
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illphillip wrote: And what new rappers and groups are looking for a Percee P cosign?
I'll give you one: C-Rayz Walz
Essential1 wrote:Cam really had no role in mid to late 90's NYC hip hop.
Btw Fat Joe is a legend now?
Are you really this ignorant ?
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Using your dumb logic, Cam is even more of a legend in that case.
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Bottom line is in 30 years, no one is gonna know about any of these guys. The only rappers that will most likely be known are Kanye and Jay-z. I mean, how manyartists can you name from the 60's and 70's?
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Essential1 wrote:Cam really had no role in mid to late 90's NYC hip hop.
Btw Fat Joe is a legend now?
Are you really this ignorant ?
Horse & Carriage did its thing then he did What Means The World To You, had some nice feature verses.. That is not a BIG ROLE IN LATE 90s hipHOP.
Also quote the whole thing I said COTC was a great group.. You said Fat Joe is a legend before.. G-Unit was an even bigger group so is Tony Yayo a legend?It's rhetorical...
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Hip Hop in the 60's?
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hip hop wasn't around in the 60's...and in the 70's wasn't even heard about.
but naw it'd be prolly Jay-Z, Pac & Big.
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Originally Posted by Essential1
I'll give you one: C-Rayz Walz
Horse & Carriage did its thing then he did What Means The World To You, had some nice feature verses.. That is not a BIG ROLE IN LATE 90s hip HOP.
Also quote the whole thing I said COTC was a great group.. You said Fat Joe is a legend before.. G-Unit was an even bigger group so is Tony Yayo a legend? It's rhetorical...
I can't even understand what you are saying, please, just stop. Evaluate what the hell you are talking about and come back when you can type clearly. Imean, what the *$** does yayo have anything to do with Fat Joe being a legend (because of his DITC, Fat Joe Da Gangta days)
stop naming these underground dudes nobody cares about... that dude was on MADE helpin eddo star step his rhymes up (no diss)...Originally Posted by iHateTimeDotCom
I'll give you one: C-Rayz Walz
and hell is he even new? that was a couple years ago...
New compared to Percee....
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so Fat Joe was in a legendary group that doesn't make him a legend... John Salley was on a bunch of championship teams he wasn't a legend...... Noteveryone on the Wu is a legend... There is a difference from being a part of something Legendary and actually yourself being Legendary...
Revoke your self-proclaimed PhD in hip hop, probably got it from Clyve Davis....
Revoke your self-proclaimed PhD in hip hop, probably got it from Clyve Davis....
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Okay, let's step down the game to NT's level. Forget all the 'nobodies' I mentioned. Who are they anyway ?
Cam is still a legend.
Cam is still a legend.
