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none of those are funny....
I'm not ashamed to admit that I'm a Christian.
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the funny thing is, you're being sarcastic, but thats whats going to happen.
have fun embarassing yourself by voting for any one of the GOP jokes that are running.
spreading a simple message to 1.5~ Billion humans on all corners of the Earth and redefining every aspect of his society in a few short years is more impressive than the Egyptian civilization was.
no.
whats the difference? number of co-believers?
have you ever not seen spiderman?
then how do you know he's not real?
there are really old books that tell about his life....
i dont need any science to prove spidermans existence
i believe in him and have faith.
as far as barbie dolls......have you seen her car? how can you say she doesnt exist?
smh
hopefully youll find faith inside yourself
to one day realize the true path
and give your faith to spiderman.
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This sounds like every religious person I've ever met:
Its a disease.
Here is how to handle the rick perry video:
Its a disease.
Here is how to handle the rick perry video:
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wait im confused. isnt op an atheist?
so now hes a christian?
well good for you young fella...
so now hes a christian?
well good for you young fella...
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Originally Posted by tkthafm
Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Originally Posted by tkthafm
How did religion "ruin" Egypt, Turkey or Pakistan ?
It's actually the exact opposite. All those countries were ruined by corrupting Western influence and a lack of adherence to Islam. Which is ironic because it was also Islam that played a major role in taking the West out of the dark ages.
For example, when Egypt was under control of the Caliphates during the Islamic golden age it was one of the biggest centers of learning and science on Earth. Things started to go down hill when religion starting playing a lesser role thanks to colonialist Westerners coming in and setting up puppet 'secular' regimes. The 'secular' dictator gets overthrown and free elections are held.... and Islamists win overwhelmingly.
@ thinking everyone in the world wants democracy and secularism.
Typical, my religion is better than yours nonsense. Egypt flourished even before Islam got there as one of the greatest civilizations that has ever existed. The pyramids and monuments in Egypt are of Egyptian Gods and Pharoahs not MUHAMMED.This is the same hypocrite that got mad at black people for giving credit for all discoveries to Africans doing the exact same thing.
The most non-religious countries in the world have the lowests crimes rates, lowest poverty rates and highest literacy, scientific discovery and literacy rates.
Yea not everyone wants to live in a world were women can't be beaten if they get raped. Allah forbid.
I "got mad" at people claiming achievements that never happened.
In this case there's no denying the fact that when Islam ruled all the societies under it where at their best. Ancient Egypt obviously had achievements in their own right but nothing on the scale of the Islamic caliphates which bought together countless cultures and had them all living in peace under one rule.
Women getting "beaten when raped" has nothing to do with Islam. Prove me otherwise (IE: proof from Qu'ran or authentic Hadiths). That's right, it doesn't exist.
Besides you thinking that Islam is the best for some people's way of life under Sharia which is COMPLETELY subjective...
You know you straight up lied about this, right?
Watch, I'm going to post the verses admonishing the abuse of women and he'll complain its about context...as if the CONTEXT in which you beat women matters.
Man, even the Prophet doesn't care?
Its cool though, but this is how ya'll want to act:
JUST KIDDING man, OP was just being sarcastic...Hes NOT a christian in fact hes fed up with Rick Perry...On top of that, why is it a good thing that he became a christian? What if he became something that you're not. Is it still good?
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None of those have anything to do with beating rape victims. Just taken out of context or poorly paraphrased /w added commentary to make it sound "evil". We already discussed the issue of "beating" ad nauseam women in the other thread.
Nice try though.
http://www.systemoflife.c...nd-also-beat-wife-ayesha
Look at how these liars pick and choose Hadith, taking 2 sentences out of a paragraph long Hadith to fuel the lies...
never hit anything with
his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded
by Musnad Ishaq bin Rawahiya no: 698, Ibn Maajah Kitab al Nikah hadeeth no: 1984 Al-Albaanee said it is Saheeh.]
Nice try though.
http://www.systemoflife.c...nd-also-beat-wife-ayesha
Look at how these liars pick and choose Hadith, taking 2 sentences out of a paragraph long Hadith to fuel the lies...
never hit anything with
his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded
by Musnad Ishaq bin Rawahiya no: 698, Ibn Maajah Kitab al Nikah hadeeth no: 1984 Al-Albaanee said it is Saheeh.]
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OF COURSE YOU WOULD SAY THIS
Are you blind?
In islam, its cool to beat your wife if she doesn't do what you say.
Did you ignore that part?
There are several verses I posted where either Allah and/or the "profit" or both ignore abuse and/or condone hitting women.
Keep saying its a "Translation error"
Pathetic
Read me verse 4:34, TKTHAFM. Do it.
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Again, already discussed. If you want the fiqh on "beating" women go back to the old thread.
Keep ignoring the evidence (such as the authentic Hadith above which clearly states - from the Wife he "hit" - that the Prophet never beat any women ever) that doesn't point in your way. I can paraphrase just about any speech ever made to make it fit my agenda as well.
Verse 4:34 was already discussed.
Pathetic :smh
Keep ignoring the evidence (such as the authentic Hadith above which clearly states - from the Wife he "hit" - that the Prophet never beat any women ever) that doesn't point in your way. I can paraphrase just about any speech ever made to make it fit my agenda as well.
Verse 4:34 was already discussed.
Pathetic :smh
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Oh so he didn't "hit" her...he just ... "hit" her...
your apologetic islam sites are awful. They straight read "beat" as "lightly tap" as if thats what it says.
if your girl says "beat this _____ up" and you proceed to lightly tap it, thats EXACTLY what she meant, right?
Well put it in context homie.
Cause it didn't work.
I read every word on that page.
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This is why arguing with these clowns is useless... give them the context of the Hadith they quote and they don't even read it.
As far the sites defining certain words.... your websites do the very same thing. Only in this case the Hadith is shown in full context and the whole story of what happened is given. Non-Arabic speakers go to the anti-Islam sites and get a laundry list of "evil" Hadith and verses and then complain when they are properly translated (IE: word root given).
Sad what lengths they have to go to in attacking Islam.
Whole context:
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[color= rgb(0, 0, 12][color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."[/color][/color]
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[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Reply[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Here is the complete hadith[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]MUSLIM Book 004, Number 2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.(end)[/color]
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[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]My Friend and Brother Dr Asif replied;[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]AS A DOCTOR I ANALYSED THIS HADITH, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOME OF AISHA R.A. & JANNATUL BAQI IS QUITE LONG.[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]NOW SEE THE BOLD PART OF HADITH IN BLUE,[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]AS AISHA R.A WAS AFRAID THAT PROPHET (peace be upon him) WILL COME TO KNOW SHE WAS FALLOWING HER, SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THIS SHE CAME RUNNING BACK TO HOME,[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]IT IS NATURAL PHYSIOLOGICAL PHENOMENON WHEN A PERSON RUNS FOR A DISTANCE MORE THAN 100 meters, BODY RESPONDS WITH HYPERVENTILATION.[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]PERSONS BREATHS FAST & EVEN HEART RATE INCREASES, BLOOD PRESSURE INCREASES, DURING SUCH SITUATION IF YOU GIVE SLIGHT PUSH ON CHEST PERSON WILL FEEL PAIN. YOU CAN DO THIS ON YOURSELF ALSO TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS,IN ABOVE HADITH PROPHET SAAS JUST GIVE A PUSH TO AISHA R.A & SHE FELT PAIN .....(end of his saying)[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Moreover[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Aaishah (Radhiallahu 'Anha) herself said: Allaah's Messenger (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded by Musnad Ishaq bin Rawahiya no: 698, Ibn Maajah Kitab al Nikah hadeeth no: 1984 Al-Albaanee said it is Saheeh.][/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12].[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Source of Musnad Ishaq: http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=101&hid=698&pid=26710[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Source of Ibne Majah:http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&TOCID=653&BookID=35&PID=3687[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]This clears all the things Alhumdulillah.[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12].[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Lastly see beautiful Explanation by brother Kevin Abdullah here: http://www.quransearch.com/karim/mistranslations_of_hadiths.htm[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12].[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]He made many points in his article, one is, the term used in the hadith is: Lahada.[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that: The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to push" (dafa'a).(End quote for details see his full article)[/color]
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12]So it is clear Prophet Peace be upon him never beat his wives nor any other woman.[/color]
As far the sites defining certain words.... your websites do the very same thing. Only in this case the Hadith is shown in full context and the whole story of what happened is given. Non-Arabic speakers go to the anti-Islam sites and get a laundry list of "evil" Hadith and verses and then complain when they are properly translated (IE: word root given).
Sad what lengths they have to go to in attacking Islam.
Whole context:
[color= rgb(0, 0, 12
][color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Author quoted[/color][/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
][color= rgb(255, 0, 0)]Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."[/color][/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
][/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Reply[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Here is the complete hadith[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]MUSLIM Book 004, Number 2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.(end)[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
] [/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]My Friend and Brother Dr Asif replied;[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]AS A DOCTOR I ANALYSED THIS HADITH, THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOME OF AISHA R.A. & JANNATUL BAQI IS QUITE LONG.[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]NOW SEE THE BOLD PART OF HADITH IN BLUE,[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]AS AISHA R.A WAS AFRAID THAT PROPHET (peace be upon him) WILL COME TO KNOW SHE WAS FALLOWING HER, SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THIS SHE CAME RUNNING BACK TO HOME,[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]IT IS NATURAL PHYSIOLOGICAL PHENOMENON WHEN A PERSON RUNS FOR A DISTANCE MORE THAN 100 meters, BODY RESPONDS WITH HYPERVENTILATION.[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]PERSONS BREATHS FAST & EVEN HEART RATE INCREASES, BLOOD PRESSURE INCREASES, DURING SUCH SITUATION IF YOU GIVE SLIGHT PUSH ON CHEST PERSON WILL FEEL PAIN. YOU CAN DO THIS ON YOURSELF ALSO TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS,IN ABOVE HADITH PROPHET SAAS JUST GIVE A PUSH TO AISHA R.A & SHE FELT PAIN .....(end of his saying)[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Moreover[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Aaishah (Radhiallahu 'Anha) herself said: Allaah's Messenger (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded by Musnad Ishaq bin Rawahiya no: 698, Ibn Maajah Kitab al Nikah hadeeth no: 1984 Al-Albaanee said it is Saheeh.][/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
].[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Source of Musnad Ishaq: http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=101&hid=698&pid=26710[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Source of Ibne Majah:http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&TOCID=653&BookID=35&PID=3687[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]This clears all the things Alhumdulillah.[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
].[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Lastly see beautiful Explanation by brother Kevin Abdullah here: http://www.quransearch.com/karim/mistranslations_of_hadiths.htm[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
].[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]He made many points in his article, one is, the term used in the hadith is: Lahada.[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that: The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to push" (dafa'a).(End quote for details see his full article)[/color][color= rgb(0, 0, 12
]So it is clear Prophet Peace be upon him never beat his wives nor any other woman.[/color]
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http://www.quransearch.co...nslations_of_hadiths.htm
^more light shed on the other Hadiths you quoted erroneously.
The term used in the hadith is:
Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that:
The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to push" (dafa'a).
The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
Secondly, this calls to an important matter that is related to the Hand imposition of the Prophet - Allah bless him - because it is a gesture associated with driving away evil influence (waswâs) and conferring blessing as the following reports show:
1. Ubay ibn Ka`b said: "There occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - saw how I was affected, he slapped me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were looking at Allâh in fear."
(Sahih Muslim)
2. Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajalî was sent by the Prophet - Allah bless him - on a mission to destroy Dhu Al Kahalasa, the idol-house of Khatham, nicknamed the Yemenite Kaba. Jarr narrates:
"I went along with a hundred and fifty horsemen but I could not sit steadily on horse. I mentioned it to the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - who then struck his hand on my chest so hard that I could see the trace of his fingers on it, saying: 'O Allah! Grant him steadfastness and make him a guide of righteousness and a rightly-guided one!' (Bukhari and Muslim)
More proof that the correct translation is
‘He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore’
Aaishah (Radhiallahu 'Anha) said: "Allaah's Messenger (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded by Ibn Maajah. Al-Albaanee graded it Saheeh.]
Wife-beating can’t be considered "in the Cause of Allaah" - the reference in the Hadeeth is a reference to Jihaad on the battlefield. "When the prohibitions of Allaah were violated" is a reference to someone committing a crime, and their being tried and then punished by flogging. This is not a reference to the way a husband should treat his wife.
So here we clearly see in a sahih (authentic) hadith that Aisha clearly told that the prophet ‘never hit a servent or a women’.
So this is also a clear proof that The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
^more light shed on the other Hadiths you quoted erroneously.
The term used in the hadith is:
Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that:
The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to push" (dafa'a).
The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
Secondly, this calls to an important matter that is related to the Hand imposition of the Prophet - Allah bless him - because it is a gesture associated with driving away evil influence (waswâs) and conferring blessing as the following reports show:
1. Ubay ibn Ka`b said: "There occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - saw how I was affected, he slapped me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were looking at Allâh in fear."
(Sahih Muslim)
2. Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajalî was sent by the Prophet - Allah bless him - on a mission to destroy Dhu Al Kahalasa, the idol-house of Khatham, nicknamed the Yemenite Kaba. Jarr narrates:
"I went along with a hundred and fifty horsemen but I could not sit steadily on horse. I mentioned it to the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - who then struck his hand on my chest so hard that I could see the trace of his fingers on it, saying: 'O Allah! Grant him steadfastness and make him a guide of righteousness and a rightly-guided one!' (Bukhari and Muslim)
More proof that the correct translation is
‘He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore’
Aaishah (Radhiallahu 'Anha) said: "Allaah's Messenger (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded by Ibn Maajah. Al-Albaanee graded it Saheeh.]
Wife-beating can’t be considered "in the Cause of Allaah" - the reference in the Hadeeth is a reference to Jihaad on the battlefield. "When the prohibitions of Allaah were violated" is a reference to someone committing a crime, and their being tried and then punished by flogging. This is not a reference to the way a husband should treat his wife.
So here we clearly see in a sahih (authentic) hadith that Aisha clearly told that the prophet ‘never hit a servent or a women’.
So this is also a clear proof that The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
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Answering false claim nr.4:
‘answering the false claim that women are oppressed in islam’
(misunderstood hadith) Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering AS MUCH AS THE BELIEVING WOMEN. Look! Her skin IS GREENER THAN HER CLOTHES!." When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless 'Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
In the above Hadith, there are few points to notice and mention:
1- The man failed to follow Noble Verse 4:34 which was sent by Allah Almighty to protect women from harmfull men.
2- The woman was trying to get back with her first husband. In Islam, if a woman gets divorced or divorces herself from her husband through the Islamic court by "Khala'", then the only way she can get back with her husband, or her husband gets back to her is by HER MARRYING ANOTHER PERSON, HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH HIM, AND THEN GET A DIVORCE FROM HIM. This is to guarantee that divorce would not be a joke among Muslims.
3- The woman was claiming that her second husband was sexually no good. The husband disputed that, and brought his two sons from another marriage as a proof that he can perform sex. The Prophet peace be upon him then told the woman "by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow".
4- Aisha's opinion about the woman's bruise doesn't prove or disprove anything. She got angry because she saw another woman badly beaten, which is perfectly fine and acceptable. But her emotions and opinions are not Islamic Verdicts!
Many authentic hadith proof that Islam liberated women and made them free. See hadith Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138 & 2139.
In ‘Sahih Muslim, Book 018, Number 4251’ we see that a woman in islam is even allowed to take from her husband's property without his knowledge if he falls below this basic level of supporting her. Also Umar Ibn khattab told the prophet that ‘women had the upperhand over men in Medina in’ in Sahih Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 119’ , the prophet showed a smile after hearing this.
This clearly proofs that aicha’s reaction was based on emotions, which is normal and perfectly fine. We also have to notice that in pre-islamic (before islam) time women were depressed by the arabs, Islam came to liberate those women and to give them many rights. Unfortunately some muslim men (still today) fail to follow the true message of Islam, instead of this they follow their evil (pagan) cultural practices and customs! , this has nothing to do with Islam! Islam honours women and clearly fobids the cruel beating of wives!
Secondly the hadith tells only one part of the incident, it doesn’t mention anything about the decision made by the prophet after this incident , simply because only one part of the story is known and written down. So it’s rediculous to say that Islam and the prophet allowed wife beating, as a matter of fact the opposite is true!
Noble Verses and Sayings about the prohibition of wife beating:
The following Noble Verses and Sayings from the Noble Quran and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him respectively seem to very well support the above interpretation:
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...
‘answering the false claim that women are oppressed in islam’
(misunderstood hadith) Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 715:
Narrated 'Ikrima:
Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering AS MUCH AS THE BELIEVING WOMEN. Look! Her skin IS GREENER THAN HER CLOTHES!." When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless 'Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow,"
In the above Hadith, there are few points to notice and mention:
1- The man failed to follow Noble Verse 4:34 which was sent by Allah Almighty to protect women from harmfull men.
2- The woman was trying to get back with her first husband. In Islam, if a woman gets divorced or divorces herself from her husband through the Islamic court by "Khala'", then the only way she can get back with her husband, or her husband gets back to her is by HER MARRYING ANOTHER PERSON, HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH HIM, AND THEN GET A DIVORCE FROM HIM. This is to guarantee that divorce would not be a joke among Muslims.
3- The woman was claiming that her second husband was sexually no good. The husband disputed that, and brought his two sons from another marriage as a proof that he can perform sex. The Prophet peace be upon him then told the woman "by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow".
4- Aisha's opinion about the woman's bruise doesn't prove or disprove anything. She got angry because she saw another woman badly beaten, which is perfectly fine and acceptable. But her emotions and opinions are not Islamic Verdicts!
Many authentic hadith proof that Islam liberated women and made them free. See hadith Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138 & 2139.
In ‘Sahih Muslim, Book 018, Number 4251’ we see that a woman in islam is even allowed to take from her husband's property without his knowledge if he falls below this basic level of supporting her. Also Umar Ibn khattab told the prophet that ‘women had the upperhand over men in Medina in’ in Sahih Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 119’ , the prophet showed a smile after hearing this.
This clearly proofs that aicha’s reaction was based on emotions, which is normal and perfectly fine. We also have to notice that in pre-islamic (before islam) time women were depressed by the arabs, Islam came to liberate those women and to give them many rights. Unfortunately some muslim men (still today) fail to follow the true message of Islam, instead of this they follow their evil (pagan) cultural practices and customs! , this has nothing to do with Islam! Islam honours women and clearly fobids the cruel beating of wives!
Secondly the hadith tells only one part of the incident, it doesn’t mention anything about the decision made by the prophet after this incident , simply because only one part of the story is known and written down. So it’s rediculous to say that Islam and the prophet allowed wife beating, as a matter of fact the opposite is true!
Noble Verses and Sayings about the prohibition of wife beating:
The following Noble Verses and Sayings from the Noble Quran and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him respectively seem to very well support the above interpretation:
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...
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Originally Posted by tkthafm
This is why arguing with these clowns is useless... give them the context of the Hadith they quote and they don't even read it.
As far the sites defining certain words.... your websites do the very same thing. Only in this case the Hadith is shown in full context and the whole story of what happened is given. Non-Arabic speakers go to the anti-Islam sites and get a laundry list of "evil" Hadith and verses and then complain when they are properly translated (IE: word root given).
Sad what lengths they have to go to in attacking Islam.
Whole context:
Author quoted
Muslim (4:2127) - Muhammad struck his favorite wife, Aisha, in the chest one evening when she left the house without his permission. Aisha narrates, "He struck me on the chest which caused me pain."
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MUSLIM Book 004, Number 2127: Muhammad b. Qais said (to the people): Should I not narrate to you (a hadith of the Holy Prophet) on my authority and on the authority of my mother? We thought that he meant the mother who had given him birth. He (Muhammad b. Qais) then reported that it was 'A'isha who had narrated this: Should I not narrate to you about myself and about the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? We said: Yes. She said: When it was my turn for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to spend the night with me, he turned his side, put on his mantle and took off his shoes and placed them near his feet, and spread the corner of his shawl on his bed and then lay down till he thought that I had gone to sleep. He took hold of his mantle slowly and put on the shoes slowly, and opened the door and went out and then closed it lightly. I covered my head, put on my veil and tightened my waist wrapper, and then went out following his steps till he reached Baqi'. He stood there and he stood for a long time. He then lifted his hands three times, and then returned and I also returned He hastened his steps and I also hastened my steps. He ran and I too ran. He came (to the house) and I also came (to the house). I, however, preceded him and I entered (the house), and as I lay down in the bed, he (the Holy Prophet) entered the (house), and said: Why is it, O 'A'isha, that you are out of breath? I said: There is nothing. He said: Tell me or the Subtle and the Aware would inform me. I said: Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be ransom for you, and then I told him (the whole story). He said: Was it the darkness (of your shadow) that I saw in front of me? I said: Yes. He struck me on the chest which caused me pain, and then said: Did you think that Allah and His Apostle would deal unjustly with you? She said: Whatsoever the people conceal, Allah will know it. He said: Gabriel came to me when you saw me. He called me and he concealed it from you. I responded to his call, but I too concealed it from you (for he did not come to you), as you were not fully dressed. I thought that you had gone to sleep, and I did not like to awaken you, fearing that you may be frightened. He (Gabriel) said: Your Lord has commanded you to go to the inhabitants of Baqi' (to those lying in the graves) and beg pardon for them. I said: Messenger of Allah, how should I pray for them (How should I beg forgiveness for them)? He said: Say, Peace be upon the inhabitants of this city (graveyard) from among the Believers and the Muslims, and may Allah have mercy on those who have gone ahead of us, and those who come later on, and we shall, God willing, join you.(end)
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AS AISHA R.A WAS AFRAID THAT PROPHET (peace be upon him) WILL COME TO KNOW SHE WAS FALLOWING HER, SO IN ORDER TO AVOID THIS SHE CAME RUNNING BACK TO HOME,
IT IS NATURAL PHYSIOLOGICAL PHENOMENON WHEN A PERSON RUNS FOR A DISTANCE MORE THAN 100 meters, BODY RESPONDS WITH HYPERVENTILATION.
PERSONS BREATHS FAST & EVEN HEART RATE INCREASES, BLOOD PRESSURE INCREASES, DURING SUCH SITUATION IF YOU GIVE SLIGHT PUSH ON CHEST PERSON WILL FEEL PAIN. YOU CAN DO THIS ON YOURSELF ALSO TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS,IN ABOVE HADITH PROPHET SAAS JUST GIVE A PUSH TO AISHA R.A & SHE FELT PAIN .....(end of his saying)
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I read this ENTIRE passage.
So basically the "Profit" (Pennies be upon him) hit Aisha because he was trying to hide his interaction with Gabriel from her AND because she ran ahead of him.
I see. Makes a good reason to hit your 9 year old wife.
This is the biggest load of crap i've ever seen. Lets all believe the "muslim" apologetic doctor.
So Muhammad catches his 9 year old wife following him and when he gets home he finds out she followed him because shes out of breath...but because shes out of breath he STRIKES HER to help her breathe?
Then you try to say, he never beat her...he PUSHED her really hard.
Is this the BEST you can do?
The profit finds his wife following him and what does he do? He pressures her into giving up the info then strikes her...but then you change the word strike to push...when that wasnt even the word! Then Aisha even says that she felt hurt.
SO YES, THE QURAN CONDONES HITTING YOUR NINE-YEAR-OLD WIFE.
DON'T SAY I DIDN'T GIVE YOU A FAIR SHOT.
I USED YOUR SOURCES AND YOUR INFORMATION AND YOU STILL DIDN'T MAKE A POINT.
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I've posted this plenty of times, so I'll post it again for other readers.
I'll try to simplify this thing as much as possible. In Islam, premarital sex is prohibited and punishable by Islamic law. This is fact. HOWEVER, it is designed in a way that it would be impossible to actually convict anyone because of these extreme requirements. This is by design as indicated by numerous Hadith. The Prophet and the companions of the Prophet have been recorded plenty of times saying that sin is largely between you and God, and if God has kept your sin a secret so should you.
Now what some have done is applied these extreme requirements for convictions of rape and not premarital sex. This is WRONG obviously because consensual sex is different from rape. And so because these poor women fail to meet these impossible requirements for rape, they are "convicted" for premarital sex, which should never happen int he first place.
The point of the law here is to deter the activity, not to actually apply it.
Read about ALL the details of what I just wrote a brief summary of here, fully sourced:
http://www.loonwatch.com/...estimony-of-rape-victim/
Here is how Islamically we're supposed to deal with rape. This is an example of how the Prophet dealt with a rape case:
I'll try to simplify this thing as much as possible. In Islam, premarital sex is prohibited and punishable by Islamic law. This is fact. HOWEVER, it is designed in a way that it would be impossible to actually convict anyone because of these extreme requirements. This is by design as indicated by numerous Hadith. The Prophet and the companions of the Prophet have been recorded plenty of times saying that sin is largely between you and God, and if God has kept your sin a secret so should you.
Now what some have done is applied these extreme requirements for convictions of rape and not premarital sex. This is WRONG obviously because consensual sex is different from rape. And so because these poor women fail to meet these impossible requirements for rape, they are "convicted" for premarital sex, which should never happen int he first place.
The point of the law here is to deter the activity, not to actually apply it.
Read about ALL the details of what I just wrote a brief summary of here, fully sourced:
http://www.loonwatch.com/...estimony-of-rape-victim/
Here is how Islamically we're supposed to deal with rape. This is an example of how the Prophet dealt with a rape case:
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Again, you didn't understand the context of why he pushed her and how it was done in other situations.
Secondly, this calls to an important matter that is related to the Hand imposition of the Prophet - Allah bless him - because it is a gesture associated with driving away evil influence (waswâs) and conferring blessing as the following reports show:
and this same wife states the Prophet never beat any women. Continue to ignore the Hadiths above though.
In the Prophets 63 years of life, the only evidence you can bring up is a Hadith about the Prophet pushing a wife (in manner which confers blessing/driving away evil - as confirmed by other Hadiths) who herself claims he never hit/harmed her or any other women physically. Do you know how many thousands of Hadith exist and how detailed a biography we have concerning the Prophet's life ? If supposedly the claims you are making are true it would make sense to have more evidence than this.
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but youre quoting a book......
yall are arguing over fairy tales right now
LMAO
yall are arguing over fairy tales right now
LMAO
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YO IF I PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE, ITS STILL FORCING/PUSHING YOUR FACE BACK.Originally Posted by tkthafm
http://www.quransearch.co...nslations_of_hadiths.htm
^more light shed on the other Hadiths you quoted erroneously.
The term used in the hadith is:
Imam Nawawi in his Sharh states that:
The word "lahada" according to the lexicographers means, "to push" (dafa'a).
The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
Secondly, this calls to an important matter that is related to the Hand imposition of the Prophet - Allah bless him - because it is a gesture associated with driving away evil influence (waswâs) and conferring blessing as the following reports show:
1. Ubay ibn Ka`b said: "There occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - saw how I was affected, he slapped me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were looking at Allâh in fear."
(Sahih Muslim)
2. Jarir ibn Abdullah Al Bajalî was sent by the Prophet - Allah bless him - on a mission to destroy Dhu Al Kahalasa, the idol-house of Khatham, nicknamed the Yemenite Kaba. Jarr narrates:
"I went along with a hundred and fifty horsemen but I could not sit steadily on horse. I mentioned it to the Messenger of Allah - Allah bless and greet him - who then struck his hand on my chest so hard that I could see the trace of his fingers on it, saying: 'O Allah! Grant him steadfastness and make him a guide of righteousness and a rightly-guided one!' (Bukhari and Muslim)
More proof that the correct translation is
‘He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore’
Aaishah (Radhiallahu 'Anha) said: "Allaah's Messenger (Sallallahu 'Alaihi Wa Sallam) never hit anything with his hand ever, except when fighting in the path of Allaah. Nor did he ever hit a servant or a woman." [Recorded by Ibn Maajah. Al-Albaanee graded it Saheeh.]
Wife-beating can’t be considered "in the Cause of Allaah" - the reference in the Hadeeth is a reference to Jihaad on the battlefield. "When the prohibitions of Allaah were violated" is a reference to someone committing a crime, and their being tried and then punished by flogging. This is not a reference to the way a husband should treat his wife.
So here we clearly see in a sahih (authentic) hadith that Aisha clearly told that the prophet ‘never hit a servent or a women’.
So this is also a clear proof that The usage of the word "struck" is not a correct translation. Rather, the phrase should be translated as (as Gf haddad said):
- He pushed my chest with a push that made me sore
Do I need to start doing kinematics elastic momentum physics problems on you all?
Plus if Aisha said muhammed never hit anyone does that make it true if we have evidence of either Allah or muhammed turning a blind eye to abuse? or condoning it?
How do you know she wasnt playing her part as a meek servant of her husband?
OK...so a man beats his wife because he get get his thing up to satisfy her...
A bad reason to beat your wife. Aisha gets mad when she sees this.
The verse that says when you and your wife argue you have to sleep elsewhere first, then try sternly talking to her...then BEAT HER...
Thats what it says.
it gives a series of orders then ends with BEATING her.
You have to have sex with your estranged partner to divorce them?
TOTALLY makes sense.
OK...shows proof that he had kids by his wife so clearly his johnson worked at one point or another.
4- Aisha's opinion about the woman's bruise doesn't prove or disprove anything. She got angry because she saw another woman badly beaten, which is perfectly fine and acceptable. But her emotions and opinions are not Islamic Verdicts!
Muhammeds own wife can't comment on the abuse of another woman?
HILARIOUS
No wonder you all don't see how badly you treat women.
A woman's complaints aren't validI SEE NOW!
Many authentic hadith proof that Islam liberated women and made them free. See hadith Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138 & 2139.
In ‘Sahih Muslim, Book 018, Number 4251’ we see that a woman in islam is even allowed to take from her husband's property without his knowledge if he falls below this basic level of supporting her. Also Umar Ibn khattab told the prophet that ‘women had the upperhand over men in Medina in’ in Sahih Bukhari,Volume 7, Book 62, Number 119’ , the prophet showed a smile after hearing this.
Alimony. OK...
This clearly proofs that aicha’s reaction was based on emotions, which is normal and perfectly fine. We also have to notice that in pre-islamic (before islam) time women were depressed by the arabs, Islam came to liberate those women and to give them many rights. Unfortunately some muslim men (still today) fail to follow the true message of Islam, instead of this they follow their evil (pagan) cultural practices and customs! , this has nothing to do with Islam! Islam honours women and clearly fobids the cruel beating of wives!
Ok...and?
The same islam you claim gives women rights also condones beating them when they don't do what their men say.
Is it an arbitrary hit? No...but its one that comes after disobeying what their husbands say. So much for freedom.
The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
This incorrectly asserts that since we don't know the verdict then islam wins.
If you dont know...YOU DONT KNOW. They're just making up conclusions here.
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This dude is so insensitive to others religions it's disgusting and he should've been banned already.
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Is this what you have in mind?
1. I do not have to respect your religion, or you, or anything automatically. Its earned; not given.
2. I will protect your right to believe or say whatever you want.
Its funny how you act when you disagree with me. I'm sorry I don't fall in-line with your view of the world. If only we could all be more like you.
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The other Hadiths you quoted are already included in the site I linked to. A simple google search will yield dozens of refutations of each. Enemies of Islam have been using the same lies for centuries.
Your.... "analysis" of the evidence is pathetic. You get one Hadith from Aisha stating the Prophet never hit any women, and state : "Who are these people. They're speaking on behalf of someone they've never met. "
Who ? The Prophets wife... I'm pretty sure she met him. Clearly we've found a hole in your logic but you hide it by stating "how do we know she wasn't lying" etc ... going on assumptions/bias.
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and then have no problem using other Hadith out of context (which are all cases of people speaking on behalf of someone/reporting incidents) to spread your lies about Islam.
You cry about the Prophet not doing something, and then the next sentence states he did and you reply "aww thats sweet" ... pathetic.
and "harry potter novels" ? Again ignoring the mountains of literary/scientific evidence that no human could have possible written the Qur'an. (see other thread).
Your.... "analysis" of the evidence is pathetic. You get one Hadith from Aisha stating the Prophet never hit any women, and state : "Who are these people. They're speaking on behalf of someone they've never met. "
Who ? The Prophets wife... I'm pretty sure she met him. Clearly we've found a hole in your logic but you hide it by stating "how do we know she wasn't lying" etc ... going on assumptions/bias.
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and then have no problem using other Hadith out of context (which are all cases of people speaking on behalf of someone/reporting incidents) to spread your lies about Islam.
You cry about the Prophet not doing something, and then the next sentence states he did and you reply "aww thats sweet" ... pathetic.
and "harry potter novels" ? Again ignoring the mountains of literary/scientific evidence that no human could have possible written the Qur'an. (see other thread).
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I hope stewart touches on it next.
By changing words from "beat" to "lightly tap?"
or
"she earned it!"
Bruh, I looked at EVERYTHING you posted. I'm trying to be honest with you here...you're making amends when there ARE none.
Thats what they're doing.
Aisha is married to the most famous man in middle east so do you think she'll tarnish his name?
Its like the wives of these closet gay republicans and ministers. They play their part and shut their mouths.
I said your INTERPRETERS of what "muhammed" meant are speaking as if they know what was MEANT to be said instead of was LITERALLY stated.
They assert that their conclusion is right because they happen to be muslims when all they're doing is interpreting it in a way that seeks to lessen the impact of the original translation.
Again, if you and your wife are arguing and things aren't working. First try to sleep apart from her. Then try to not feed her. Then try to sternly talk to her...then beat her.
Quran 4:34
Case in point.
You're right about this one.
I'm glad he actually did stop that one instance. I stood corrected. But that doesn't erase every other one, now does it?
Myths. Tales. Legends. Stories.
Fiction.
Just like the Quran.
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I hope stewart touches on it next.
By changing words from "beat" to "lightly tap?"
or
"she earned it!"
Bruh, I looked at EVERYTHING you posted. I'm trying to be honest with you here...you're making amends when there ARE none.
Thats what they're doing.
Aisha is married to the most famous man in middle east so do you think she'll tarnish his name?
Its like the wives of these closet gay republicans and ministers. They play their part and shut their mouths.
I said your INTERPRETERS of what "muhammed" meant are speaking as if they know what was MEANT to be said instead of was LITERALLY stated.
They assert that their conclusion is right because they happen to be muslims when all they're doing is interpreting it in a way that seeks to lessen the impact of the original translation.
Again, if you and your wife are arguing and things aren't working. First try to sleep apart from her. Then try to not feed her. Then try to sternly talk to her...then beat her.
Quran 4:34
Case in point.
You're right about this one.
I'm glad he actually did stop that one instance. I stood corrected. But that doesn't erase every other one, now does it?
Myths. Tales. Legends. Stories.
Fiction.
Just like the Quran.
Again ignoring the mountains of literary/scientific evidence that no human could have possible written the Qur'an. (see other thread).
OH REALLY?
Who wrote the Quran then?
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Right off the top:
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You know your religion is immoral when you have to constantly defend it.
You never hear of Buddhists getting accused to perpetuating violence, hatred, rape, slavery and misogyny.
You never hear of Buddhists getting accused to perpetuating violence, hatred, rape, slavery and misogyny.
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"Immoral" yet you are unable to provide a shred of evidence showing this. Obviously Islam is being attacked much more so than any other religion at the moment. Just look at this thread and the extent people will go to just to spread lies.
Let's not pretend like Buddhists haven't killed millions (including many Muslims):
http://rupeenews.com/abou...ligions-have-terrorists/
Ignorant Americans like to think Buddhism and other Eastern religions are all about "spirituality" and meditation and it's followers all sit peacefully burning incense and praying to statues. No mass rapes or massacres here....
Let's not pretend like Buddhists haven't killed millions (including many Muslims):
http://rupeenews.com/abou...ligions-have-terrorists/
Ignorant Americans like to think Buddhism and other Eastern religions are all about "spirituality" and meditation and it's followers all sit peacefully burning incense and praying to statues. No mass rapes or massacres here....
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Are you kidding me are we reading the same Quran? The "murder the infidels" koran?
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