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Originally Posted by vcof2005
I know this is off topic but the reason Nash and Norwitzki (I know that wrong I dont care) messed up the MVP, is because it made people believe you could win the award and not play ANY defense.
2-The MVP is now not only given to the best player of the year but the best player on one of the best teams in the league.
why do you saw "now"? it has always been like that. it's been 25 years since the MVP winner came from a team that didn't win 50 games.
that's why i think Lakers fans need to chill out with all the "oh, he should have 5 MVPs by now" type business... compared to past winners, Nashand Dirk were pretty sorry excuses for league MVPs, and the fact that Nash has 2 is a disgrace to guys like Jordan, Bird, and Magic... however, that is notStern's fault.
they can't justify breaking a 25-year old precedent just because Kobe has a lot of fans. but looking to the future, it looks like the award will return toa state of normalcy. guys like Kobe and CP3 will get more MVPs in the next few years, and they won't be a disgrace to the award like Nash and Dirk
[table][tr][td]ESPN.com: NBA[/td] [td][Print without images]Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
About the Hornets not being picked to make the playoffs: you guys are misremembering. Or something.
One of the dude's on NBA Fastbreak (I'm 99.9% positive it was Tim Legler) had them actually winning the West back in the preseason.
Only an idiot would have said that they were NOT going to make the playoffs (so maybe... Woody Paige and Peter Vecsey excluded them. And maybe Skip Bayless.)
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
^ I don't see Tim Legler.
And I do see that half of them picked the Hornets to at least make the playoffs. So apparently I'm misremembering on saying that only an diot would have picked them to not even MAKE the playoffs, because half of them did exactly that.
Originally Posted by BullsRepeat3Peat
Originally Posted by JsindaA
BullsRepeat:
Seems like me and you were the only two having a civil conversation in that other thread...but here's what I was gonna reply.......The criteria has to change according to the year. I don't think it would have been an issue of them changing so much as realizing who had the best year or did the most for the league. I've noticed that since Jordan it's hard to accurately pin what exactly makes someone MVP of the LEAGUE. Part of that blame has to go on Stern. He's so busy trying to MAKE another Jordan he won't let someone become that.
the thing with MJ was that he was the best player in the league, but he was also playing on the best team in the league (except for '8. Same with Magic & Bird.
It seems like it's different now, but it's always been the same. There might have been some questionable decisions, but they've been consistent over the years with the voting.
The Lakers weren't supposed to be a top seed in the playoffs at the beginning of the year, but from the minute they traded for Pau, everyoneconsidered them the favorites in the West.Originally Posted by denni5themenace
the hornets barely missed the playoffs last year in a tight race for the last seed with paul being injured almost all year. so why is it a surprise that they made it this year? the same could be said for the lakers. no one thought they would be in the playoffs let alone at the top of the west. so idk why that criteria fits for paul and not kobe.
Not one person had the Hornets winning the Western Conference before this season started.
And they didn't!
Kobe deserved it, but so did CP3, did one deserve it more than the other? No.
Are you high?
I know...I'm just saying...I don't think the players are thinking..."I can't vote for him because his team doesn't have 50 wins". In the past the best player in the game has always been on the best or one of the best teams. It's all hypothetical though.
oh ok. In that case then it would end up being the best player award, and he might have anywhere from 3 to 5 awards.
Originally Posted by JapanAir21
Not one person had the Hornets winning the Western Conference before this season started.
Originally Posted by rocboys
cant argue with Lakers fans cuz you know they dont know anything outside of the Lakers and they argue with base on the teams that play with the Lakers. they also think bynum is the best center.
Someone (and again, I'm fairly certain it was Legler) talked about how talented the team is, how hungry they're going to be, etc., etc., etc.... and that person picked them to come out of the West.
I knew they were going to be strong this year, but this strong? Not exactly.
New Orleans- No one believed me when I said that they would make the Playoffs, and the reason they didn't last year was because Chris Paul was hurt, but nooo.Chris Paul is doing his thing, leading the L in assists, shooting well, and I believe has the best assist:to ratio. Peja's back and lit it up for 10 three's the other night...David West, Chandler, and Peja in the front court is nastttttyThey're doing very well, and could finish in top 3 in the L if they keep playing well.
Two weeks into the NBA season. I wouldn't have had such a light optimism for this team if I knew they were gonna face the Mavericks in the post-season.
Kobe play defense?Originally Posted by vcof2005
I know this is off topic but the reason Nash and Norwitzki (I know that wrong I dont care) messed up the MVP, is because it made people believe you could win the award and not play ANY defense.
Originally Posted by vcof2005
I know this is off topic but the reason Nash and Norwitzki (I know that wrong I dont care) messed up the MVP, is because it made people believe you could win the award and not play ANY defense.
Originally Posted by 23ska909red02
I mentioned this in some other thread before (can't remember where), but how about this for all major sports (NHL, NFL, MLB, NBA):
Only two parties vote.
Party #1 is comprised of previous winners.
Party #2 is comprised of current players.
Throw all of their votes in a hat, and whoever comes out with the most votes, there's your MVP.
It would be HIGHLY unlikely that there would be a tie, but in the even that there is, heck, do co-MVPs.
That way NO brainless fans get a say (some have suggested a fan vote, even a fan vote that accounted for a small percentage of the overall votes. I think that's a crappy idea.)
And no homer sportswriters get a say in the outcome.
JUST your peers, and previous MVPs.