**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

[grittyman]

Master P No Limit artist rotations > Frank Vogel Laker rotations

Instead of a suit he could wear fatigues on the sidelines. I’m warming up to this idea

#CoachingTalk

 

[CP1708]

So, we tradin Kuzma, KCP, Trezz, First Round Pick in 2021 (#22), and First Round Pick in 2027, and Vogel for Terry Rozier?

And letting Caruso walk on top of that.

 

[pmatic]

Ya that’s wise. Otherwise we have no point guard. Give them a 2nd rounder along with **** brick. MJ saves about 50 mill.

I was kind of talking myself into point guard by committee between Bron, Hayward, and Nunn/Monk (if re-signed) among the starters.

 

[noblekane]

So, we tradin Kuzma, KCP, Trezz, First Round Pick in 2021 (#22), and First Round Pick in 2027, and Vogel for Terry Rozier?

And letting Caruso walk on top of that.

vogel is not an active player.

 

[MajinZuub]

I don’t know why you guys want ball dominating players in return for Russ so bad. Not everyone magically becomes a spot up shooter because of Bron.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

Happy Easter trade of the day

All Pelinks gotta do is convince Dolan that DRose and Taj are even more washed than Westbrick, Kemba is even worse a fit in NY than Russ is with LA, and the trade basically boils down to like NY getting a 2027 first rounder for the Lakers taking over the remainder of Fournier's three-year contract. Win-win for both teams. Ntm Dolan could even buy out Westbrick if they wanted but who would want that? Westbrick, Julius, R.J. and dem would be a hit show at MSG

 

[MajinZuub]

Happy Easter trade of the day

All Pelinks gotta do is convince Dolan that DRose and Taj are even more washed than Westbrick, Kemba is even worse a fit in NY than Russ is with LA, and the trade basically boils down to like NY getting a 2027 first rounder for the Lakers taking over the remainder of Fournier's three-year contract. Win-win for both teams. Ntm Dolan could even buy out Westbrick if they wanted but who would want that? Westbrick, Julius, R.J. and dem would be a hit show at MSG

What the hell is this

 

[CP1708]

Happy Easter trade of the day

All Pelinks gotta do is convince Dolan that DRose and Taj are even more washed than Westbrick, Kemba is even worse a fit in NY than Russ is with LA, and the trade basically boils down to like NY getting a 2027 first rounder for the Lakers taking over the remainder of Fournier's three-year contract. Win-win for both teams. Ntm Dolan could even buy out Westbrick if they wanted but who would want that? Westbrick, Julius, R.J. and dem would be a hit show at MSG

Someone needa take away your wifi.

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

So, we tradin Kuzma, KCP, Trezz, First Round Pick in 2021 (#22), and First Round Pick in 2027, and Vogel for Terry Rozier?

And letting Caruso walk on top of that.

Better hope the Lakers' front office ain't seeing it the way you seeing it otherwise they'd be doomed.

Westbrick for Rozier and his $21 mil per year the next 3 yesrs? No doubt. Ain't even thinking twice about it.

If you will be receiving an asset or two in return you make the move now, no matter what happened in the past.

On top of this, beggars cant be choosers. Take what MJ and Mitch give you, within reason, and run with it.

 

[darthska]

Mediocre is best case scenario next season right?

-foe

 

[MajinZuub]

Mediocre is best case scenario next season right?

-foe

With these potential trade scenarios, yes. It won’t happen but the Brogdon+Hield one is the only one that makes the team somewhat legit, IF they get the proper role players and are healthy.
Whole lotta hope.
Don’t know how much Bron can keep this up, and he can’t play defense consistently. AD is AD, he hasn’t shown the ability to put the team over when the game is going through him and he keeps getting hurt.

 

[pmatic]

I don’t know why you guys want ball dominating players in return for Russ so bad. Not everyone magically becomes a spot up shooter because of Bron.

I don't envy Pelinka in this case because it's a tough line to tightrope.

LeBron doesn't want to be the lone playmaker like he was in 2019-20, but we all know when it matters he wants to dominate the ball. And you gotta take into account now he's likely to play no more than 65 games a season now, so the team needs an insurance policy or two.

Pelinka has gambled twice (Schroder and Westbrick) and lost twice already.

 

[MIKE LOWERY]

Every day. I feel like we'll (I know I will) be talking bout these same trades throughout the league until June.

Realistically? Rozier/Heyward alone for Russ and 2nds works. Mitch and MJ ain't dumb that's 160 million for 1 year of Russ at 47. Oubre/Plumlee/PJ would be wonderful but it isn't completely necessary. Especially with Oubre/Plumlee partially guaranteed and expiring deals. PJ is probably in their future plans. He's a younger cheaper John Collins who just produces as a 6'7" small ball 5.


Follow up the Rustle deal with something going to OKC. Presti always looking for a come up. After CLT, you can take that 2027 with light protections and THT for Kenny Hustle/Bazely would be grrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeaaaaattttttt.


They could definitely be title contenders dependent on how this offseason goes, but it's going to take multiple moves and the right hires.

 

[DLF]

Mediocre is best case scenario next season right?

-foe

Save for a miracle yes.

Must be a 2019-2020 type situation where the stars align for us. Ad and lebron stay super healthy, coach we bring fits seamlessly with the roster and we hit a home run converting Russ into real role players. Tht makes strides if he’s not traded and Reaves improves also. The west let alone the rest of the nba is pretty stacked.

 

[grittyman]

Best case scenario is still going to be a 5-6 seed next season. Taking Lebron’s age and his plus AD’s injury history in to account hard to see them ever being a great regular season team again. And if Lakers don’t add quality depth to the roster I see them right back in the play in scenario.

Phx, GS, Mem, and maybe a healthy LAC (big question mark) should be the top 4 teams in no particular order. Dallas, Minn and Den are probably in the next tier. I feel like Utah is going to make a major move next summer, not sure where to place them at the moment because if they trade Rudy they’re not a playoff team. Don’t know how to really predict NO either because of the Zion situation.

 

[tupac003]

So, we tradin Kuzma, KCP, Trezz, First Round Pick in 2021 (#22), and First Round Pick in 2027, and Vogel for Terry Rozier?

And letting Caruso walk on top of that.

Worst part we don't even know who to blame..

Rob, Magic, rambis and who ever else is in this nonsense circle jerk of trust...

 

[Lizakers]

So, we tradin Kuzma, KCP, Trezz, First Round Pick in 2021 (#22), and First Round Pick in 2027, and Vogel for Terry Rozier?

And letting Caruso walk on top of that.

You can go back and trace back every trade like this. It won’t turn out well

Fact is we traded all that for Westbrick, it didn’t work out, now getting Rozier and fillers would put us in a better position than having YipsBrick

 

[darthska]

Worst part we don't even know who to blame..

Rob, Magic, rambis and who ever else is in this nonsense circle jerk of trust...

Legit question before I rant: Has Jeanie ever said any of this 'Laker family' nonsense?

Reason I'm asking: me PERSONALLY, I have all the people you mentioned to blame, but not her. I think our 2 biggest FO office problems are people intermingling with each other's jobs, and 'the Laker way' meaning more than it actually does.

OK so on that first one, I think Dr. Buss did a good job of maintaining his job at the top, and not mingling in other jobs. If that's right, then obviously her ENTIRE adult life, she saw that. I would think she's not one of these mingling people. I think she understands "You pass the ball. You tape ankles. You sign checks. You order food. You block shots. You over there, we don't need you but you can hold a clipboard and give fun pep talks, I guess. You clean the bathrooms. You go to college games. Now, we don't need the person cleaning bathrooms trying to tell our point guard how to pass. We don't need our accountant going to college games trying to judge good play. Everyone do THEIR job, including me."

I would think that's how she is and that she got it from her dad. So has there been signs of her saying "He'S LaKeR FaMiLy" regarding someone we don't need or someone we're overpaying for or both?

-foe

 

[CP1708]

Legit question before I rant: Has Jeanie ever said any of this 'Laker family' nonsense?

Reason I'm asking: me PERSONALLY, I have all the people you mentioned to blame, but not her. I think our 2 biggest FO office problems are people intermingling with each other's jobs, and 'the Laker way' meaning more than it actually does.

OK so on that first one, I think Dr. Buss did a good job of maintaining his job at the top, and not mingling in other jobs. If that's right, then obviously her ENTIRE adult life, she saw that. I would think she's not one of these mingling people. I think she understands "You pass the ball. You tape ankles. You sign checks. You order food. You block shots. You over there, we don't need you but you can hold a clipboard and give fun pep talks, I guess. You clean the bathrooms. You go to college games. Now, we don't need the person cleaning bathrooms trying to tell our point guard how to pass. We don't need our accountant going to college games trying to judge good play. Everyone do THEIR job, including me."

I would think that's how she is and that she got it from her dad. So has there been signs of her saying "He'S LaKeR FaMiLy" regarding someone we don't need or someone we're overpaying for or both?

-foe

Sorry, but it's actually not true.

Buss was haphazard from jump.

Look at what we're watchin on the HBO show. Jerry West quit as the HC. He had no job. He was no longer employed by the Lakers.
He was at practice, at training camp, watching tape, advising press conferences.....

Pat Riley was an announcer with Chick.......and helping as an assistant coach.

Later, Westhead is fired, Jerry Buss proclaims Jerry West will be the head coach. West says no. Pat Riley will be. So Buss says they will be co-coaches.

And no, it's not just a show, this is backed up. This is all how it went down in real life.

Jeanie grew up seeing crazy dysfunction that worked out because Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Shaq, Kobe, Pau and now Bron/AD.

For her, this is "normal".

 

[Brosizzlew30.23]

What can we expect when the organization is still run like a mom n pop family business?

Internal turmoil is par for the course

 

[DLF]

Sorry, but it's actually not true.

Buss was haphazard from jump.

Look at what we're watchin on the HBO show. Jerry West quit as the HC. He had no job. He was no longer employed by the Lakers.
He was at practice, at training camp, watching tape, advising press conferences.....

Pat Riley was an announcer with Chick.......and helping as an assistant coach.

Later, Westhead is fired, Jerry Buss proclaims Jerry West will be the head coach. West says no. Pat Riley will be. So Buss says they will be co-coaches.

And no, it's not just a show, this is backed up. This is all how it went down in real life.

Jeanie grew up seeing crazy dysfunction that worked out because Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Shaq, Kobe, Pau and now Bron/AD.

For her, this is "normal".

Ya I was thinking this while watching the show also. Jeanie prob thinks she is going to just think outside the box like her dad and use her intuition to make decisions. Instead of a business like model where you hire the best and use data.

 

[darthska]

Sorry, but it's actually not true.

Buss was haphazard from jump.

Look at what we're watchin on the HBO show. Jerry West quit as the HC. He had no job. He was no longer employed by the Lakers.
He was at practice, at training camp, watching tape, advising press conferences.....

Pat Riley was an announcer with Chick.......and helping as an assistant coach.

Later, Westhead is fired, Jerry Buss proclaims Jerry West will be the head coach. West says no. Pat Riley will be. So Buss says they will be co-coaches.

And no, it's not just a show, this is backed up. This is all how it went down in real life.

Jeanie grew up seeing crazy dysfunction that worked out because Kareem, Magic, Worthy, Shaq, Kobe, Pau and now Bron/AD.

For her, this is "normal".

None of that...

... bro I didn't say that doesn't happen within the Laker organization. I know damn well it does. I specifically asked if we have evidence that she HERSELF does that.

-foe

 

[noblekane]

havent watched an nba game since we were eliminated

 

[CP1708]

None of that...

... bro I didn't say that doesn't happen within the Laker organization. I know damn well it does. I specifically asked if we have evidence that she HERSELF does that.

-foe

That part we can't know (for sure) she doesn't speak much.

I guess I could blame her for allowing Magic to say things, or Rambis attend practices, etc, but I can't really guarantee it's on her. Maybe she does tell them to fall back and they don't listen, iono.

Phil showin up randomly didn't look good either....

Iono. I say it's on her cuz she has the power to stop it. But thas just me.

 

[tupac003]

havent watched an nba game since we were eliminated

Some have been entertaining. Can't say I've watched a full game but I check and then tune in if it close in the 4th.