[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

[pmatic]

There is one trade out there for Pau that could net some salary relief and a draft pick, but it would have to occur because of a season-ending injury for a player on the other team. :\

 

[darthska]

In today's NBA, you need someone who can go for 20 on any given night off the bench if you want to win a title.

unless you have 3 superstars where each can carry the team while the others are on the bench/taking games off due to knee issues

Having Bron, Bosh & Wade gets you to the finals.. Bench scoring still separated them from the West team.

Just like Mavs bench separated them from the Heat.

True story.

 

[sea manup]

no one here is saying that we dont need a bench to win the championship

what we are saying is that there is probably a better/younger/cheaper option to be our 6th man than nick young

he is 29 this year, as a rebuilding team he will be on the downside of his prime by the time we are contenders 

right now his trade value is pretty high, take advantage of that

same goes for any player on our team that is playing well, all these guys are very replaceable 

 

[essential1]

True story.

It's actually a weird trend.

Everyone on the bench stepped up major to beat the Heat.

Because Harden's disappearance in the Finals is why the series basically was a no contest after Game 2.

Spurs were going to win because of Danny Green, when he disappeared, Spurs lose.

 

[essential1]

no one here is saying that we dont need a bench to win the championship

what we are saying is that there is probably a better/younger/cheaper option to be our 6th man than nick young

he is 29 this year, as a rebuilding team he will be on the downside of his prime by the time we are contenders 

right now his trade value is pretty high, take advantage of that


same goes for any player on our team that is playing well, all these guys are very replaceable 

Very few better 6th man options. Very few. Unless you are looking at taking a starter, and moving him to the bench because that will cost money as well. And if they are younger, it will cost extra money to be the 6th man.

With that said there are holes in his game. That people have pointed out. You hope that that brings down his value. If he gets $8mil offer, then I have no problem letting him leave.

The Front Office also doesn't plan on rebuilding. It's the same old reloading. There actually is no rebuilding with what we have. Rebuilding would require you to develop young talent, draft pickS, etc. Unless you think that they will go and give anyone a max contract on this team (exception Kobe) that isn't rebuilding. It is pretty much the same thing Lakers have always done.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

this is the best bunch of role players we've had in a while. don't understand why people think they're so replaceable. NY fills a void despite his flaws.

 

[CP1708]

If this team is reloading, I shudder to think what rebuilding looks like.


Either way, reload, rebuild, starting with 48 mil to 36 year old Kobe = doin it wrong.

 

[pmatic]

View media item 758692
It would probably take a season-ending injury to one of Miles Plumlee or Channing Frye to even remotely happen, but still. Do it Mitch.

The Lakers probably wouldn't be able to get back next year's pick they owe to the Suns (very well could be a mid lottery pick :x) but I would be content taking back the Pacers' first round draft pick this year (#30 more than likely).

 

[sea manup]

 

no one here is saying that we dont need a bench to win the championship

what we are saying is that there is probably a better/younger/cheaper option to be our 6th man than nick young

he is 29 this year, as a rebuilding team he will be on the downside of his prime by the time we are contenders 

right now his trade value is pretty high, take advantage of that


same goes for any player on our team that is playing well, all these guys are very replaceable 

Very few better 6th man options. Very few. Unless you are looking at taking a starter, and moving him to the bench because that will cost money as well. And if they are younger, it will cost extra money to be the 6th man.

With that said there are holes in his game. That people have pointed out. You hope that that brings down his value. If he gets $8mil offer, then I have no problem letting him leave.

The Front Office also doesn't plan on rebuilding. It's the same old reloading. There actually is no rebuilding with what we have. Rebuilding would require you to develop young talent, draft pickS, etc. Unless you think that they will go and give anyone a max contract on this team (exception Kobe) that isn't rebuilding. It is pretty much the same thing Lakers have always done.

what the lakers have always done? the two greatest lakers of all time were drafted and developed while they were young. we used those guys as constants as we reloaded the talent around them, there was reloading in the 80s, but the center of it all was magic who we drafted and developed. there was reloading in the past 15 years but it was centered around kobe who we drafted and developed. we didnt draft and develop a player to build our team around in the 90s and we all know what happened, on the other hand chicago did and won championships, the rockets did and won championships.

so its not pretty much the same thing as we have always done.

 

[grandtheftbike]

starting with 48 mil to 36 year old Kobe

 

[essential1]

For this front office. It is.

I should have picked the words for my sentence better "It is the same thing THIS front office has always done."


Yes. We "drafted" Kobe. 10 years after he has been in the league is not rebuilding.


The rebuilding you guys want is OKC style. The Lakers are not doing that. Not even remotely. With the assets they have, there is no such thing as rebuilding. There's reloading. Shuffling players. There's not one player on this current team that will be on this team 4 or 5 seasons after this one. Hell likely 3 seasons, maybe even 2. That's not rebuilding.

 

[pmatic]

I prefer "re-modeling".

 

[essential1]

^ Let's go with that.

 

[lovehateself]

re-hauling

re-loading

 

[had pants]

 

[sea manup]

For this front office. It is.

I should have picked the words for my sentence better "It is the same thing THIS front office has always done."


Yes. We "drafted" Kobe. 10 years after he has been in the league is not rebuilding.


The rebuilding you guys want is OKC style. The Lakers are not doing that. Not even remotely. With the assets they have, there is no such thing as rebuilding. There's reloading. Shuffling players. There's not one player on this current team that will be on this team 4 or 5 seasons after this one. Hell likely 3 seasons, maybe even 2. That's not rebuilding.

the rebuilding i want is the kind that happened for every nba champion in nba history (except for the 04 pistons), getting a franchise player through the draft and building around that player

yes i can see that we are not doing that right now, what i am saying is that looking at the past as an example the success rate of building a championship team without developing a draft pick is pretty much 0

i understand i have no control over the situation, but all signs point too whatever it is we are doing right now not working out for us

 

[lovehateself]

Stu Lantz made a key point regarding Swaggy P's game yesterday , something along the lines that he could be more of an offensive threat if he attacked the rim more...get to the free throw line more. he shoots around 85% from the line. 

i know he loves putting up the shot after he sets it up with the dribble, but Stu had a point 

 

[essential1]

For this front office. It is.


I should have picked the words for my sentence better "It is the same thing THIS front office has always done."



Yes. We "drafted" Kobe. 10 years after he has been in the league is not rebuilding.



The rebuilding you guys want is OKC style. The Lakers are not doing that. Not even remotely. With the assets they have, there is no such thing as rebuilding. There's reloading. Shuffling players. There's not one player on this current team that will be on this team 4 or 5 seasons after this one. Hell likely 3 seasons, maybe even 2. That's not rebuilding.

the rebuilding i want is the kind that happened for every nba champion in nba history (except for the 04 pistons), getting a franchise player through the draft and building around that player

yes i can see that we are not doing that right now, what i am saying is that looking at the past as an example the success rate of building a championship team without developing a draft pick is pretty much 0

i understand i have no control over the situation, but all signs point too whatever it is we are doing right now not working out for us

We would get 2 Max Free Agents before that guy even has a team built around him.

We didn't build around Kobe until Shaq was gone.. It was building around Shaq.

Putting Kobe with Shaq. Not the other way around.. Well before we even knew of Kobe, Shaq was on the radar, and was basically a done deal MONTHS before we actually signed him.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

considering we didn't trade Pau for cap space, signed Kobe to an extension, and will probably end up with a draft pick outside the top 10, what does everybody think the plan is?

 

[pmatic]

Stu Lantz made a key point regarding Swaggy P's game yesterday , something along the lines that he could be more of an offensive threat if he attacked the rim more...get to the free throw line more. he shoots around 85% from the line. 
i know he loves putting up the shot after he sets it up with the dribble, but Stu had a point 

He's attacked more this season than ever before. His free throw rate is the highest it's ever been, which in turn is leading to his career high in per 36 scoring (21.7 vs 19.4 previously).

 

[essential1]

considering we didn't trade Pau for cap space, signed Kobe to an extension, and will probably end up with a draft pick outside the top 10, what does everybody think the plan is?

The one player who is available in 2014.

 

[sea manup]

 

 

For this front office. It is.


I should have picked the words for my sentence better "It is the same thing THIS front office has always done."



Yes. We "drafted" Kobe. 10 years after he has been in the league is not rebuilding.



The rebuilding you guys want is OKC style. The Lakers are not doing that. Not even remotely. With the assets they have, there is no such thing as rebuilding. There's reloading. Shuffling players. There's not one player on this current team that will be on this team 4 or 5 seasons after this one. Hell likely 3 seasons, maybe even 2. That's not rebuilding.

the rebuilding i want is the kind that happened for every nba champion in nba history (except for the 04 pistons), getting a franchise player through the draft and building around that player

yes i can see that we are not doing that right now, what i am saying is that looking at the past as an example the success rate of building a championship team without developing a draft pick is pretty much 0

i understand i have no control over the situation, but all signs point too whatever it is we are doing right now not working out for us

We would get 2 Max Free Agents before that guy even has a team built around him.

We didn't build around Kobe until Shaq was gone.. It was building around Shaq.

Putting Kobe with Shaq. Not the other way around.. Well before we even knew of Kobe, Shaq was on the radar, and was basically a done deal MONTHS before we actually signed him.

yes, but we needed someone to pair up with shaq and were lucky enough to get kobe (we got kareem first too). because we got kobe through the draft we didnt need to spend extra assets/money to get that star wing player to play longside shaq. without kobe we probably dont win 3 championships, maybe another elite guard could have replaced kobe and been just as effective. but with that extra money/assets we would have to spend to get that guy would we still have enough to have the great role players that we had? i dont think we would

regardless of draft picks we can always get 2 max free agents, just like how we were able to get shaq or kareem. but it was the draft picks (kobe, magic) that we had playing alongside our max players that put us over the top. yeah there are other factors like bench and role players but every penny saved from getting our third star from the draft rather than paying max money for our third star can be spent to reinforce our bench.

again, i know this wont happen because for some reason this front office doesnt want a good draft pick. all im saying is without  one we have a very very very slim chance of winning a championship in the near future

 

[senorroboto2k5]

considering we didn't trade Pau for cap space, signed Kobe to an extension, and will probably end up with a draft pick outside the top 10, what does everybody think the plan is?

Not trading Pau wasn't some big signal of anything

 

[la kb24]

No lie but I had fun being at the game yesterday
Watching swaggy p in person

 

[essential1]

again, i know this wont happen because for some reason this front office doesnt want a good draft pick. all im saying is without  one we have a very very very slim chance of winning a championship in the near future

That's foolishness.

What do you mean they don't want a good draft pick? You don't think they'd love a #1 overall pick every year? Part of the reason they always trade their picks is because there was no fathomable reason that they would be a lottery team any time this decade.

If they thought "Hey we'll be a lottery team for a few years." We'd have picks.


But it's not so simple as just trading every player on the roster. That's not how it works when the season has been going on for 3 months.

There is no way for them to control where they are on the draft position at this point. The games will just shake out as they may. Wins will happen, losses will happen. Somehow you have to get this through your head.