Let's settle this. Which active players deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by LongRange3Ball

http://www.basketball-ref....com/about/hof_prob.html

Their list is horrible.

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
3. Tim Duncan 0.9999
4. Kevin Garnett 0.9979
5. LeBron James 0.9864
6. Dwyane Wade 0.9829
7. Paul Pierce 0.9627
8. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9239
9. Ray Allen 0.9188
10. Jason Kidd 0.9162
11. Vince Carter 0.8791
12. Tracy McGrady 0.7319
13. Tony Parker 0.5585
14. Gilbert Arenas 0.4763
15. Grant Hill 0.4679
16. Pau Gasol 0.4589
17. Amare Stoudemire 0.4413
18. Carmelo Anthony 0.4384
19. Chris Bosh 0.4161
20. Steve Nash 0.3800
21. Dwight Howard 0.2808
22. Chauncey Billups 0.2114
23. Yao Ming 0.2009
24. Shawn Marion 0.1823
25. Elton Brand 0.1450
26. Baron Davis 0.0785
27. Manu Ginobili 0.0762
28. Antawn Jamison 0.0738
29. Carlos Boozer 0.0736
30. Deron Williams 0.0672
31. Richard Hamilton 0.0630
32. Joe Johnson 0.0578
33. Lamar Odom 0.0554
34. Jermaine O'Neal 0.0365
35. Derek Fisher 0.0263
36. Zach Randolph 0.0200
37. Caron Butler 0.0181
38. Jerry Stackhouse 0.0154
39. Ron Artest 0.0145
40. Andre Miller 0.0144
41. David West 0.0125
42. Peja Stojakovic 0.0119
43. Mike Bibby 0.0115
44. Jason Richardson 0.0104
45. Andre Iguodala 0.0092
46. Raymond Felton 0.0073
47. Mo Williams 0.0071
48. Jason Terry 0.0069
49. Rashard Lewis 0.0062
50. Ben Wallace 0.0057

Gilbert Arenas in the Hall before Grant Hill?? Shawn Marion before Manu? Andre Miller, Mo Williams and RAYMOND FELTON over Ben Wallace???? Seriously, Raymond Felton is 46th most likely active player to make the Hall of Fame?

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Originally Posted by LongRange3Ball

http://www.basketball-ref....com/about/hof_prob.html

Their list is horrible.

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
3. Tim Duncan 0.9999
4. Kevin Garnett 0.9979
5. LeBron James 0.9864
6. Dwyane Wade 0.9829
7. Paul Pierce 0.9627
8. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9239
9. Ray Allen 0.9188
10. Jason Kidd 0.9162
11. Vince Carter 0.8791
12. Tracy McGrady 0.7319
13. Tony Parker 0.5585
14. Gilbert Arenas 0.4763
15. Grant Hill 0.4679
16. Pau Gasol 0.4589
17. Amare Stoudemire 0.4413
18. Carmelo Anthony 0.4384
19. Chris Bosh 0.4161
20. Steve Nash 0.3800
21. Dwight Howard 0.2808
22. Chauncey Billups 0.2114
23. Yao Ming 0.2009
24. Shawn Marion 0.1823
25. Elton Brand 0.1450
26. Baron Davis 0.0785
27. Manu Ginobili 0.0762
28. Antawn Jamison 0.0738
29. Carlos Boozer 0.0736
30. Deron Williams 0.0672
31. Richard Hamilton 0.0630
32. Joe Johnson 0.0578
33. Lamar Odom 0.0554
34. Jermaine O'Neal 0.0365
35. Derek Fisher 0.0263
36. Zach Randolph 0.0200
37. Caron Butler 0.0181
38. Jerry Stackhouse 0.0154
39. Ron Artest 0.0145
40. Andre Miller 0.0144
41. David West 0.0125
42. Peja Stojakovic 0.0119
43. Mike Bibby 0.0115
44. Jason Richardson 0.0104
45. Andre Iguodala 0.0092
46. Raymond Felton 0.0073
47. Mo Williams 0.0071
48. Jason Terry 0.0069
49. Rashard Lewis 0.0062
50. Ben Wallace 0.0057

Gilbert Arenas in the Hall before Grant Hill?? Shawn Marion before Manu? Andre Miller, Mo Williams and RAYMOND FELTON over Ben Wallace???? Seriously, Raymond Felton is 46th most likely active player to make the Hall of Fame?

 

[k town trash]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by LongRange3Ball

http://www.basketball-ref....com/about/hof_prob.html

Their list is horrible.

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
3. Tim Duncan 0.9999
4. Kevin Garnett 0.9979
5. LeBron James 0.9864
6. Dwyane Wade 0.9829
7. Paul Pierce 0.9627
8. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9239
9. Ray Allen 0.9188
10. Jason Kidd 0.9162
11. Vince Carter 0.8791
12. Tracy McGrady 0.7319
13. Tony Parker 0.5585
14. Gilbert Arenas 0.4763
15. Grant Hill 0.4679
16. Pau Gasol 0.4589
17. Amare Stoudemire 0.4413
18. Carmelo Anthony 0.4384
19. Chris Bosh 0.4161
20. Steve Nash 0.3800
21. Dwight Howard 0.2808
22. Chauncey Billups 0.2114
23. Yao Ming 0.2009
24. Shawn Marion 0.1823
25. Elton Brand 0.1450
26. Baron Davis 0.0785
27. Manu Ginobili 0.0762
28. Antawn Jamison 0.0738
29. Carlos Boozer 0.0736
30. Deron Williams 0.0672
31. Richard Hamilton 0.0630
32. Joe Johnson 0.0578
33. Lamar Odom 0.0554
34. Jermaine O'Neal 0.0365
35. Derek Fisher 0.0263
36. Zach Randolph 0.0200
37. Caron Butler 0.0181
38. Jerry Stackhouse 0.0154
39. Ron Artest 0.0145
40. Andre Miller 0.0144
41. David West 0.0125
42. Peja Stojakovic 0.0119
43. Mike Bibby 0.0115
44. Jason Richardson 0.0104
45. Andre Iguodala 0.0092
46. Raymond Felton 0.0073
47. Mo Williams 0.0071
48. Jason Terry 0.0069
49. Rashard Lewis 0.0062
50. Ben Wallace 0.0057

Gilbert Arenas in the Hall before Grant Hill?? Shawn Marion before Manu? Andre Miller, Mo Williams and RAYMOND FELTON over Ben Wallace???? Seriously, Raymond Felton is 46th most likely active player to make the Hall of Fame?

list is a joke. david west??? mo will??? 

 

[k town trash]

Originally Posted by Xtapolapacetl

Originally Posted by LongRange3Ball

http://www.basketball-ref....com/about/hof_prob.html

Their list is horrible.

1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
3. Tim Duncan 0.9999
4. Kevin Garnett 0.9979
5. LeBron James 0.9864
6. Dwyane Wade 0.9829
7. Paul Pierce 0.9627
8. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9239
9. Ray Allen 0.9188
10. Jason Kidd 0.9162
11. Vince Carter 0.8791
12. Tracy McGrady 0.7319
13. Tony Parker 0.5585
14. Gilbert Arenas 0.4763
15. Grant Hill 0.4679
16. Pau Gasol 0.4589
17. Amare Stoudemire 0.4413
18. Carmelo Anthony 0.4384
19. Chris Bosh 0.4161
20. Steve Nash 0.3800
21. Dwight Howard 0.2808
22. Chauncey Billups 0.2114
23. Yao Ming 0.2009
24. Shawn Marion 0.1823
25. Elton Brand 0.1450
26. Baron Davis 0.0785
27. Manu Ginobili 0.0762
28. Antawn Jamison 0.0738
29. Carlos Boozer 0.0736
30. Deron Williams 0.0672
31. Richard Hamilton 0.0630
32. Joe Johnson 0.0578
33. Lamar Odom 0.0554
34. Jermaine O'Neal 0.0365
35. Derek Fisher 0.0263
36. Zach Randolph 0.0200
37. Caron Butler 0.0181
38. Jerry Stackhouse 0.0154
39. Ron Artest 0.0145
40. Andre Miller 0.0144
41. David West 0.0125
42. Peja Stojakovic 0.0119
43. Mike Bibby 0.0115
44. Jason Richardson 0.0104
45. Andre Iguodala 0.0092
46. Raymond Felton 0.0073
47. Mo Williams 0.0071
48. Jason Terry 0.0069
49. Rashard Lewis 0.0062
50. Ben Wallace 0.0057

Gilbert Arenas in the Hall before Grant Hill?? Shawn Marion before Manu? Andre Miller, Mo Williams and RAYMOND FELTON over Ben Wallace???? Seriously, Raymond Felton is 46th most likely active player to make the Hall of Fame?

list is a joke. david west??? mo will??? 

 

[JD617]

list is a joke. david west??? mo will??? 

Do you not see those percentages to the right of their names? Their HOF chances are basically nonexistent.

Their list is horrible.
I agree that there are some things wrong with it, but that's a result of previous screw ups by the voters. The list is calculated using previous results by the actual Hall of Fame voters; it's not the opinion of the site.

 

[JD617]

list is a joke. david west??? mo will??? 

Do you not see those percentages to the right of their names? Their HOF chances are basically nonexistent.

Their list is horrible.
I agree that there are some things wrong with it, but that's a result of previous screw ups by the voters. The list is calculated using previous results by the actual Hall of Fame voters; it's not the opinion of the site.

 

[longrange3ball]

^ Yay. JD has common sense and figured out what that site did (no sarcasm) ... unlike some of you

 

[longrange3ball]

^ Yay. JD has common sense and figured out what that site did (no sarcasm) ... unlike some of you

 

[chadleroy]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

Some of yall are idiots for not understanding how the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame works

 

[chadleroy]

Originally Posted by rck2sactown

Some of yall are idiots for not understanding how the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame works

 

[CP1708]

The site is basically saying everyone from TMac down has no shot.  And even Tracy is borderline (based off their %)

I dislike all the international stuff.  I wish we had an NBA hall of fame.  Get rid of all the riff raff. 


And everyone gassin Pau. 

 4 years ago the only dude that spoke on that boy woulda been BHZ, now all these @#$%$#@#$%^s wanna back him like he their last resort to hate on somebody. 

 

 

[CP1708]

The site is basically saying everyone from TMac down has no shot.  And even Tracy is borderline (based off their %)

I dislike all the international stuff.  I wish we had an NBA hall of fame.  Get rid of all the riff raff. 


And everyone gassin Pau. 

 4 years ago the only dude that spoke on that boy woulda been BHZ, now all these @#$%$#@#$%^s wanna back him like he their last resort to hate on somebody. 

 

 

[51and3rd]

Pierce averaged 25 7 and 4 from 00 to 07 playing along side some of the worst talent in the league. Over rated. More like under rated if you ask me. You guys mention names like t mac ben wallace and vince carter? The #**@?

 

[51and3rd]

Pierce averaged 25 7 and 4 from 00 to 07 playing along side some of the worst talent in the league. Over rated. More like under rated if you ask me. You guys mention names like t mac ben wallace and vince carter? The #**@?

 

[dmbrhs]

Yao and Gasol are going to be in the hall of fame. Trust me. Their contributions internationally are too hard to ignore.

 

[dmbrhs]

Yao and Gasol are going to be in the hall of fame. Trust me. Their contributions internationally are too hard to ignore.

 

[viiheaven]

As far as the questionable one's go..

Vince Carter is not a HOF'er. He provided the league with excitement but never had any playoff success. He never dominated the league at any point in time, aside from the "entertaining" aspect. Career averages at this point are decent. And on a perennial playoff team, he's arguably the 3rd or 4th option (1. Dwight, 2. Rashard 3. Jameer 4. Vince)

Yao Ming is DEFINITELY a HOF'er. You guys must remember that this is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Yao Ming has done so much for the globalization of basketball that based on that alone, he'll get in.

As much as I hate to say it, and I do hate this guy. I hate him one notch below Michael Jordan and that says a ton. Paul Pierce is a HOF'er. He'll get in.

Grant Hill will get in. Someone referenced Penny Hardaway

After dominating the league in the 90's for a period, after all the injuries, he re-established himself as a great role player. Career averages have dipped because of the injuries plus becoming a role player but the rap sheet is great: Rookie of the Year, 7x All-Star, 1x 1st Team All-NBA, 4x 2nd Team All-NBA. I think that qualifies him.

Ben Wallace? Not quite sure but I would argue for him. He had the league in a chokehold defensively for 5-6 years. He even got some MVP considerations solely based off his defense. That's pretty amazing. 4x NBA All-Star, 4x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (back-to-back 2x), led the league in rebounds 2x (back-to-back), led the league in blocks 1x.

Marcus Camby? No.
Chauncey Billups? Borderline.. but no.
Pau Gasol? Yes.
Tony Parker? No.
Manu Ginobli? No.
Dwight Howard? Not yet but 3 or 4 more years of what he's doing now and he's a lock.

 

[viiheaven]

As far as the questionable one's go..

Vince Carter is not a HOF'er. He provided the league with excitement but never had any playoff success. He never dominated the league at any point in time, aside from the "entertaining" aspect. Career averages at this point are decent. And on a perennial playoff team, he's arguably the 3rd or 4th option (1. Dwight, 2. Rashard 3. Jameer 4. Vince)

Yao Ming is DEFINITELY a HOF'er. You guys must remember that this is the Basketball Hall of Fame, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Yao Ming has done so much for the globalization of basketball that based on that alone, he'll get in.

As much as I hate to say it, and I do hate this guy. I hate him one notch below Michael Jordan and that says a ton. Paul Pierce is a HOF'er. He'll get in.

Grant Hill will get in. Someone referenced Penny Hardaway

After dominating the league in the 90's for a period, after all the injuries, he re-established himself as a great role player. Career averages have dipped because of the injuries plus becoming a role player but the rap sheet is great: Rookie of the Year, 7x All-Star, 1x 1st Team All-NBA, 4x 2nd Team All-NBA. I think that qualifies him.

Ben Wallace? Not quite sure but I would argue for him. He had the league in a chokehold defensively for 5-6 years. He even got some MVP considerations solely based off his defense. That's pretty amazing. 4x NBA All-Star, 4x NBA Defensive Player of the Year (back-to-back 2x), led the league in rebounds 2x (back-to-back), led the league in blocks 1x.

Marcus Camby? No.
Chauncey Billups? Borderline.. but no.
Pau Gasol? Yes.
Tony Parker? No.
Manu Ginobli? No.
Dwight Howard? Not yet but 3 or 4 more years of what he's doing now and he's a lock.

 

[luxurious24]

its sad that without that talent and potential vince and tracy aint gonna make it to the hall of fame

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by dland24

Two full pages and no mention of Yao Ming? He is a LOCK.

I did.. But I don't know about a lock

He's a lock...he's had a ridiculous impact on the globalization of the game.  Remember...it's the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame, and not just for NBA exploits (although he was a beast when healthy).

Someone gets it. Yao is a lock. Easily.

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Originally Posted by Essential1

Originally Posted by dland24

Two full pages and no mention of Yao Ming? He is a LOCK.

I did.. But I don't know about a lock

He's a lock...he's had a ridiculous impact on the globalization of the game.  Remember...it's the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame, and not just for NBA exploits (although he was a beast when healthy).

Someone gets it. Yao is a lock. Easily.

 

[luxurious24]

its sad that without that talent and potential vince and tracy aint gonna make it to the hall of fame

 

[bittersweet]

I can't get over dudes saying yes to Pau Gasol and no to Paul Pierce. 

Come on now. 

AND Dikembe is going, Yao is a lock though?

Cut that international @!%!.

 

[bittersweet]

I can't get over dudes saying yes to Pau Gasol and no to Paul Pierce. 

Come on now. 

AND Dikembe is going, Yao is a lock though?

Cut that international @!%!.

 

[viiheaven]

Originally Posted by bittersweet


I can't get over dudes saying yes to Pau Gasol and no to Paul Pierce. 

Come on now. 

AND Dikembe is going, Yao is a lock though?

Cut that international @!%!.

Pierce & Gasol are both HOF's. I think Pau just has to keep it up for a couple of more seasons to drown out the stink of losing from Memphis. Although Pierce had that same stink on him, even though it was a collaborative effort, the championship Celtics team was "led" by Pierce. Plus, now that he's behind Hondo in the All-Time Celtics Leader in Points, he's a virtual lock. It's a historic franchise and behind second is no modest accomplishment.

And what the hell are you talking about "cut that international !%$#"? It's the BASKETBALL HALL OF FAME, not the NBA HALL OF FAME. Do you understand how big basketball is in China? Do you know Yao being in the NBA is a direct result of that? Do you know that a Houston Rockets game holds the record for "most watched sporting event internationally"? Not a Michael Jordan game, not a NBA Finals game, not an All-Star game, a regular-season Houston Rockets game. That's a big @#%#!%% deal.

Kids in China wear Kobe, LeBron & Yao jerseys. Yao's effect on the globalization is comparable to the way Ichiro is the reason the MLB has Japanese sponsors. It's a big deal and maybe Yao doesn't earn his way into the Hall of Fame as a player, but he'll certainly get in as an Ambassador.