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I finally got my penny loafers. Sadly they are too big. I went with the same size as lg wingtips. I went half size down on those. To me feel like the loafer is a whole sz smaller then normal Nike.
The way these fit are all over the place to people. I went a same size as the longwings which is a half size down from my nikes and the loafers are so snug and stiff that I feel like they are going to tear up my feet the first time I wear them.