Mass Shooting Thread: Waiting on the next one.

IATT said:
i mean if he’s white, I wouldn’t exactly be surprised

look at all the videos we see with the lengths police will go to, to NOT kill a white person

or just look at January 6th, who woulda thought THAT shh was possible
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Yea I was in an argument with one of these people on fb and it was obvious they were relying on the government not treating them like enemies. The capitol building raid validated my suspicions. The "we need guns to protect ourselves from the government" excuses are disingenuous.
 
tupac jordan said:
If I'm in a mass shooting I'd rather be around gun nuts like Jewsyjay than you liberals. I'm not republican either I hate them too.
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In these US of A, I don't wanna be anywhere near a gun-wielding black dude in the event of a mass shooting. Cops already have hard time telling their Black colleagues from random Black people. You know they're just gonna shoot him and figure it out later.
 
gry60 said:
In these US of A, I don't wanna be anywhere near a gun-wielding black dude in the event of a mass shooting. Cops already have hard time telling their Black colleagues from random Black people. You know they're just gonna shoot him and figure it out later.
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Yea, the open carry and protect the public from bad guys with guns rhetoric definitely only applies to white people, no matter how dangerous they look.

I feel safer around Muslims and black people with guns, than Jim bob from Alabama.
 
Saw a quote that stood out "exactly how many guns does Texas need until they feel that everyone is safe?" Some people legit think the more the merrier.
 
superblytrife said:
Why? Are they gonna save you?

Feel free to show us all the instances of good guys with guns stopping mass shootings.....
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  • Pearl High School, MS - 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman's head, ending the murder spree. Total dead humans: Two.
  • Edinboro, PA - 1998: A student (Andrew Strand) shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead humans: One.
  • Santee, CA - 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates - as well as the "trained campus supervisor"; two off-duty deputies who happened to be at the school at that time ran across campus to enter the bathroom where he's reloading for the 4th time, and hold him until more police arrive. Total dead humans: Two. (Side-note, he also bragged that he would be "bigger than Columbine".)
  • Grundy, VA - 2002: Former student Peter Odighizuwa shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students (who had to run to their car to retrieve their firearms due to the "Gun Free zone") point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead humans: Three.
  • Colorado Springs, CO - 2007: Matthew Murray kills two (unarmed) people at a missionary center, then gets in his car and travels 80 miles to continue his spree. At New Hope Church, he walks in with over 1000 rounds and three guns. He shoots two teenage sisters, killing them, and wounds others. A volunteer "guard" and parishioner, Jeanne Assam, draws her own weapon and kills him before he can enter the church. Total dead humans: 4 (but only 2 at the church.)
  • Winnemucca, NV - 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead humans: Two.
  • College Park, GA - 2009: Calvin Lavant and Jamal Hill broke into an apartment during a party and forced everyone to the floor. After they gathered various valuables, and separated the men and the women, Lavant said to Hill, "we about to have sex with these girls, then we are going to kill them all." One masked man asks the other, while both are counting their bullets, "How many bullets you got?" The other responds, "I got enough." Then while one man goes to the room and prepares to begin raping the women, the other turns on the men. A student (with a CCW) grabs the gun out of his backpack and shoots the masked man who dives out of the door. He then goes into the room where the other man is preparing to rape one of the women, and opens fire. That man dives out the window, having been wounded fatally. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Oklahoma City, OK - 2009: Prior marine, "upset with his military status" opens fire on an apartment complex. A CCW holder comes around the corner and orders him to drop his weapon. He does, then runs and barricades himself in his father's house, later surrendering to police. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Richmond, VA - 2009: Man walks into a Golden Food Market, presumably to rob it. 2 seconds after entering, he shoots the store owner twice. Immediately, a CCW holder engages him in gunfire. Each time the criminal lines up to "execute" an innocent customer the CCW holder opens fire at him again, stopping each execution (this is all on video). Eventually, hit three times, the Criminal finally collapses. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Houston, TX - 2009: Julie Parker entered a workplace with a fake handgun, and a hunting bow and broadhead arrows. She shoots one man in the chest with the bow before being subdued by two coworkers with CCWs. Total dead humans: Zero. (This also goes to show how even not having a gun won't stop a nutter.)
  • New York Mills, NY - 2010: AT&T Employee Abraham Dickan walks into workplace with list of 6 victims he intends to kill. He immediately walks up to and kills one man sitting at his desk, Seth Turk. Off duty officer, and customer at the store draws and fires stopping Dickan dead. Total dead humans: One.
  • Aurora, CO - April 2012 (3 months before the Batman theater massacre): A convicted felon released from prison goes to a church, smashing into cars in the parking lot. As the pastor's mother comes out to help him, he opens fire. He kills the pastor's mother before being killed by an off-duty officer (and the victim's nephew) in the congregation. Total dead humans: One.
  • Portland, OR - 2012: Shooter enters a mall and begins firing on the crowds, killing two. Nick Meli, a 22 year old CCW holder, draws his handgun and points it at the shooter, but holds his fire due to potential victims in the background. Shooter sees Meli, and runs into a stairwell and shoots himself. Total dead humans: Two.
  • San Antonio, TX - 2012: Around the same time as the Sandy Hook shooting, Jesus Manuel Garcia, having relationship problems with his girlfriend, decides it's best to start shooting up another theater. Female Off-Duty Sheriff's Deputy (unnamed) shoots him and stops him before he can enter. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Boiling Springs, SC - 2012: Jesse Gates kicks open the door of a church in session wielding a shotgun. The pastor's grandson, Aaron Guyton, 26, along with OTHER CCW holders in the congregation draw their own guns. Jesse promptly surrenders and waits for police. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Early, TX - 2012: Gunman gets into confrontation with "friends" and after shooting two of them dead, and shooting their dogs, continues out into an RV park with his gun. There, he engages the one officer that quickly arrived at the scene with his rifle. A CCW holder (Vic Stacy) has a better shot to stop the man who has the officer pinned down, and fires five shots into him. The officer's shots are later determined to have been "surface wounds." The CCW holder's shots are what stopped the man. Brown County Sheriff Bobby Grubbs said, "The outcome could have been a lot different if Stacy hadn't had his gun and the presence of mind to do what he did..." Total dead humans: Two
 
richiecotite said:
  • Pearl High School, MS - 1997: After shooting several people at his high school, student heads for the junior high school; assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieves a .45 pistol from his car and points it at the gunman's head, ending the murder spree. Total dead humans: Two.
  • Edinboro, PA - 1998: A student (Andrew Strand) shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead humans: One.
  • Santee, CA - 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates - as well as the "trained campus supervisor"; two off-duty deputies who happened to be at the school at that time ran across campus to enter the bathroom where he's reloading for the 4th time, and hold him until more police arrive. Total dead humans: Two. (Side-note, he also bragged that he would be "bigger than Columbine".)
  • Grundy, VA - 2002: Former student Peter Odighizuwa shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students (who had to run to their car to retrieve their firearms due to the "Gun Free zone") point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead humans: Three.
  • Colorado Springs, CO - 2007: Matthew Murray kills two (unarmed) people at a missionary center, then gets in his car and travels 80 miles to continue his spree. At New Hope Church, he walks in with over 1000 rounds and three guns. He shoots two teenage sisters, killing them, and wounds others. A volunteer "guard" and parishioner, Jeanne Assam, draws her own weapon and kills him before he can enter the church. Total dead humans: 4 (but only 2 at the church.)
  • Winnemucca, NV - 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead humans: Two.
  • College Park, GA - 2009: Calvin Lavant and Jamal Hill broke into an apartment during a party and forced everyone to the floor. After they gathered various valuables, and separated the men and the women, Lavant said to Hill, "we about to have sex with these girls, then we are going to kill them all." One masked man asks the other, while both are counting their bullets, "How many bullets you got?" The other responds, "I got enough." Then while one man goes to the room and prepares to begin raping the women, the other turns on the men. A student (with a CCW) grabs the gun out of his backpack and shoots the masked man who dives out of the door. He then goes into the room where the other man is preparing to rape one of the women, and opens fire. That man dives out the window, having been wounded fatally. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Oklahoma City, OK - 2009: Prior marine, "upset with his military status" opens fire on an apartment complex. A CCW holder comes around the corner and orders him to drop his weapon. He does, then runs and barricades himself in his father's house, later surrendering to police. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Richmond, VA - 2009: Man walks into a Golden Food Market, presumably to rob it. 2 seconds after entering, he shoots the store owner twice. Immediately, a CCW holder engages him in gunfire. Each time the criminal lines up to "execute" an innocent customer the CCW holder opens fire at him again, stopping each execution (this is all on video). Eventually, hit three times, the Criminal finally collapses. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Houston, TX - 2009: Julie Parker entered a workplace with a fake handgun, and a hunting bow and broadhead arrows. She shoots one man in the chest with the bow before being subdued by two coworkers with CCWs. Total dead humans: Zero. (This also goes to show how even not having a gun won't stop a nutter.)
  • New York Mills, NY - 2010: AT&T Employee Abraham Dickan walks into workplace with list of 6 victims he intends to kill. He immediately walks up to and kills one man sitting at his desk, Seth Turk. Off duty officer, and customer at the store draws and fires stopping Dickan dead. Total dead humans: One.
  • Aurora, CO - April 2012 (3 months before the Batman theater massacre): A convicted felon released from prison goes to a church, smashing into cars in the parking lot. As the pastor's mother comes out to help him, he opens fire. He kills the pastor's mother before being killed by an off-duty officer (and the victim's nephew) in the congregation. Total dead humans: One.
  • Portland, OR - 2012: Shooter enters a mall and begins firing on the crowds, killing two. Nick Meli, a 22 year old CCW holder, draws his handgun and points it at the shooter, but holds his fire due to potential victims in the background. Shooter sees Meli, and runs into a stairwell and shoots himself. Total dead humans: Two.
  • San Antonio, TX - 2012: Around the same time as the Sandy Hook shooting, Jesus Manuel Garcia, having relationship problems with his girlfriend, decides it's best to start shooting up another theater. Female Off-Duty Sheriff's Deputy (unnamed) shoots him and stops him before he can enter. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Boiling Springs, SC - 2012: Jesse Gates kicks open the door of a church in session wielding a shotgun. The pastor's grandson, Aaron Guyton, 26, along with OTHER CCW holders in the congregation draw their own guns. Jesse promptly surrenders and waits for police. Total dead humans: Zero.
  • Early, TX - 2012: Gunman gets into confrontation with "friends" and after shooting two of them dead, and shooting their dogs, continues out into an RV park with his gun. There, he engages the one officer that quickly arrived at the scene with his rifle. A CCW holder (Vic Stacy) has a better shot to stop the man who has the officer pinned down, and fires five shots into him. The officer's shots are later determined to have been "surface wounds." The CCW holder's shots are what stopped the man. Brown County Sheriff Bobby Grubbs said, "The outcome could have been a lot different if Stacy hadn't had his gun and the presence of mind to do what he did..." Total dead humans: Two
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Finally not banned from this thread thanks to juicy lol

These are cool, really do mean that, but now compare that to instances where someone was accidentally shot or someone didn’t step in
 
^ Thanks. So if I counted correctly that's 16 instances you cited. I'm sure there's more, but it still isn't helping the argument that more guns are needed to keep us safe.

How many mass shootings have occurred in that timeframe? And how many more lives have been lost than saved because of guns?

The fact is that most gun owners nut up in tight situations, which is normal. But somehow we've been lead to believe that these good guys with guns are gonna keep us all safe. The reality is that all the training in the world can't prepare you for those mass shooting situation, word to the cops that laid on the ground and pretended to be dead at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando.
 
getback said:
The theme of that list is that it was stopped AFTER people had already been shot.

We're setting the bar pretty low if we're applauding "he only shot __ people before he was stopped."
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Didn’t even want to get into that but yeah🤷🏽‍♂️. I guess they could of shot more people but the “what if” factor I chose to leave alone
 
Air Champa said:
Can we get a list of all the people who'd still be alive today if it weren't for idiots who had no business owning firearms?

Wonder how long that would be.
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superblytrife said:
The fact is that most gun owners nut up in tight situations, which is normal. But somehow we've been lead to believe that these good guys with guns are gonna keep us all safe.
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America, where cops are not expected to know the law to do their job but civilians can't use ignorance of the law as a defense.

America, where nobody should expect cops to come to their defense, but budgets for law enforcement continue to grow.

America, where people who are definitely not trained in the art of warfare are expected to react with the calmness and cold-bloodedness of combat veterans in the middle of shootings.

When it comes to what is normal here, make sure your expectations are lower than what they would be in the civilized world.
 
ROYAL PALM BEACH, Fla. – Timothy Wall posted the warning on his Facebook page: He wanted to kill people, including children.

Then he walked into a Publix grocery store in Royal Palm Beach and pulled a gun on a 1-year-old boy in a shopping cart, shooting him to death with one bullet.

He didn’t count on the child’s grandmother fighting back. Police said the 69-year-old woman went after the gunman, but he knocked her down and shot her dead, too. Then, they said, Wall killed himself.

The social media warning should have been enough for concerned friends to call police, Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said Friday, clearly angry. Wall’s gun could have been seized, he said. Innocent lives could have been saved.
 
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