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I get what you're saying. But as a rapper, it doesn't make sense to say "I don't got no lyrics". It makes it sound like you don't give a +%@*.
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I get what you're saying. But as a rapper, it doesn't make sense to say "I don't got no lyrics". It makes it sound like you don't give a +%@*.
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a girl shaking her *%@ is entertaining...does that make it a art? no...waka can be entertaining, but its nuffin thats gonna be artistically acclaimed at all.
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But aint you white tho?
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Does that have anything to do with it...I enjoy Waka in the club, but when defending a dude as an artist when his main music is "Drug dealing music...I influence, I influence." %$@% is straight glorification. I'm ok with that, but when your not willing to see it as such, there inlies the problem. There is a reason that Hip-Hop started out with a messahe and has turned into this drivel. They don't want y'all mutheruckers to be educated, they want to keep you guys right where you are Does Wu talk about the same type of stuff....Yes. But it is written with deep metaphors and complex vocabulary. They make refrences to literture and other things, they tell tales of stuff they actually did vividly. I mean "Cream" tells the drug dealing life from both sides, I don't think I have ever heard a song that captured the rap game so perfectly. They show the high's and low's.
Wake says, ""I read all the time. I know words." I know words. Strong statement.
As Brother Mouzone said, "The scaries thing is a N_ with a library card." Keep defending crap as quality art when it is mindless BS. I enjoy watching mindless movies and %$@%. But is it great art? No.
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yeah see but thats the thing tho...maybe in the 90s or 80s Time's comment would be flamed but nowadays he's right tho..at the end of the day the most entertaining artist is the one we see on Tv the most
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You wrote all that for nothing considering I some what agree with you on the good music vs. mindless music argument. I'm just saying how are you going to speak on the problems of the black community when you don't live in it nor take part in it? You're acting like only black people listen to this music and acting like black people don't listen to Wu-tang and other "non-mindless" music.
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I agree but I respect that he knows he's garbage. Some dudes won't say that because they believe it might effect their popularity. He came out and said he's garbage. And he is. Some artists don't have the capability to be a good lyricist. Its just not in them. Some football players were blessed to be able to run a 4.3. Some bball players were blessed to have a high vertical leap. Wacka wasn't blessed with any talent to write lyrics. Everybody can't be Nas. There's only one Nas. There's only one Flocka. We like to put blame on artists for like Wacka for the current state of rap but why? Wacka is doing him. WE the fans of hip hop are to blame. We got a dude like Wacka in the rap game. The fans run rap. Not some label head. Not some artist. We do. If Wacka Flocka got audience I say more power to him. Take all their money if they want to give it to you. I'll never knock a dude for his hustle especially when people are willing to give him their money they work for.
Whocares what other genres think? Ever since when did we start careingabout what another genre thinks of us? If we did we would've quit longago. Hip Hop wasn't built on trying to appease other genres. Cats aretoo worried about how someone else is viewing them. Do YOU. That's someol' self hatred mindset you got going on there. And if it makes othergenres feel any better I laugh at them too. Especially at TaylorSwift's "country music".Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
This is why other genres laugh at rap. I think M16 was right Hip Hop isturning into pop. I'm not saying you have to be super lyrical, but aTRUE artist's job is to create art. The best art that can be made. Askany rapper who actually loves rap and doesn't just love the females,cars, and popularity that comes with it. I always defend Southern rapbecause at the end of the day it' good music and I appreciate more thanthese mixtapes dudes spitting about nothing but I swear their fans givetheir music a bad name.
Disclaimer: And I'm not saying everyrapper is an artist. Some rappers just have a niche to fill and theymake strictly "entertainment" music. But if you think all rapper's mainjob is to entertain then you're just disrespecting rap music.
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So I have to be black to point flaws with a particular group. I can't say what is wrong with China if I'm not Chinese? I don't know what it is like to be black, nor do will I ever, but that doesn't mean that I don't understand problems within the community.
Did David Simon not create a essentially "Black" show that captured "Black life" better than anything ever before? 95% of Gucci/Waka listeners are black man, be real. I have already said the history of black music is deep. From afro-brazilian Samba to Blues of the Mississippi Delta, black people have prolly created the best music on this planet imo. Of course, all black they don't just listen to just this. But sorry, I expect poorly of a forum who dismisses any music that isn't Hip-Hop or isn't "hot"
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Originally Posted by rocyaice
I agree but I respect that he knows he's garbage. Some dudes won't say that because they believe it might effect their popularity. He came out and said he's garbage. And he is. Some artists don't have the capability to be a good lyricist. Its just not in them. Some football players were blessed to be able to run a 4.3. Some bball players were blessed to have a high vertical leap. Wacka wasn't blessed with any talent to write lyrics. Everybody can't be Nas. There's only one Nas. There's only one Flocka. We like to put blame on artists for like Wacka for the current state of rap but why? Wacka is doing him. WE the fans of hip hop are to blame. We got a dude like Wacka in the rap game. The fans run rap. Not some label head. Not some artist. We do. If Wacka Flocka got audience I say more power to him. Take all their money if they want to give it to you. I'll never knock a dude for his hustle especially when people are willing to give him their money they work for.
Whocares what other genres think? Ever since when did we start careingabout what another genre thinks of us? If we did we would've quit longago. Hip Hop wasn't built on trying to appease other genres. Cats aretoo worried about how someone else is viewing them. Do YOU. That's someol' self hatred mindset you got going on there. And if it makes othergenres feel any better I laugh at them too. Especially at TaylorSwift's "country music".Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
This is why other genres laugh at rap. I think M16 was right Hip Hop isturning into pop. I'm not saying you have to be super lyrical, but aTRUE artist's job is to create art. The best art that can be made. Askany rapper who actually loves rap and doesn't just love the females,cars, and popularity that comes with it. I always defend Southern rapbecause at the end of the day it' good music and I appreciate more thanthese mixtapes dudes spitting about nothing but I swear their fans givetheir music a bad name.
Disclaimer: And I'm not saying everyrapper is an artist. Some rappers just have a niche to fill and theymake strictly "entertainment" music. But if you think all rapper's mainjob is to entertain then you're just disrespecting rap music.
Dude, at least the cats defending dudes have made some decent points, but you have proved that you literally know nothing. What set rap apart from other stuff was that it was socially-concious and had a message...The first rap song of any actual meaning really was literally "The Message." You really need to research your hip-hop history dude.
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looks whats wrong with your comment..people would sacrifice their craft just to appeal to whats "poppin" on television...Wu-tang already got a heavy fan base, they don't have to
make things to "appeal" to da kids, its either take em or leave em, because they comfortable $$$ wise...Nas said it best "!*++ ya young #!%##!*, i don't need ya i'll go gold with it"
there's a certain line of integrity you have to maintain as a artist to remain viable years later...da min you doing things in hiphop just to chase a check and mangling your craft for
a dollar is da min your good as done. now is that da culture's fault or da media's fault? people gotta eat and that's fine, but don't compare masterpiece makers like Raekown to someone
who knowingly admits that he don't care about da integrity of his art because he's too busy chasing a check.
only thing time is right about is da fact that he settles for that garbage.
purist are da ones that keep rap alive..not da casual person who wants to see ++%!$ chuck and jive....
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But a rappers one job, if nothing else IS to entertain. Lyrics are important because they're entertaining.Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
This is why other genres laugh at rap. I think M16 was right Hip Hop is turning into pop. I'm not saying you have to be super lyrical, but a TRUE artist's job is to create art. The best art that can be made. Ask any rapper who actually loves rap and doesn't just love the females, cars, and popularity that comes with it. I always defend Southern rap because at the end of the day it' good music and I appreciate more than these mixtapes dudes spitting about nothing but I swear their fans give their music a bad name.
Disclaimer: And I'm not saying every rapper is an artist. Some rappers just have a niche to fill and they make strictly "entertainment" music. But if you think all rapper's main job is to entertain then you're just disrespecting rap music.
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Homie you think liking Waka Flocka and similar artists is related to all problems in the black community. With all due respect do you know +#*$#!+ idiotic you sound?
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I guess this is where we differ in opinion. I look at music as art. Of course it CAN be entertaining as it should be to keep the audience's attention. But I dont believe EVERY rapper should makes music to entertain. This is why I dont have a problem with Flocka. He's a rapper who just raps to make club music and car riding music. He knows his niche and his lane. EA sports know their lane theyre making Sports games they're not out trying to make the next Resident Evil. But when people say things like "I thought a rappers job was to to entertain? That should be a rappers main focus. Make songs that entertain people. " then that subtracts the whole art element of hip hop. And I can't get down with that there's nothing you can convince me of otherwise.Originally Posted by HAM CITY
But a rappers one job, if nothing else IS to entertain. Lyrics are important because they're entertaining.Originally Posted by ScottHallWithAPick
This is why other genres laugh at rap. I think M16 was right Hip Hop is turning into pop. I'm not saying you have to be super lyrical, but a TRUE artist's job is to create art. The best art that can be made. Ask any rapper who actually loves rap and doesn't just love the females, cars, and popularity that comes with it. I always defend Southern rap because at the end of the day it' good music and I appreciate more than these mixtapes dudes spitting about nothing but I swear their fans give their music a bad name.
Disclaimer: And I'm not saying every rapper is an artist. Some rappers just have a niche to fill and they make strictly "entertainment" music. But if you think all rapper's main job is to entertain then you're just disrespecting rap music.
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do you know who his mom is?
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I feel what you're saying. I guess I'm looking at it differently. The way I see it, all art is to certain extent is made to entertain, to be appealing.
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You are misunderstanding how I use related dude...I'm not saying kids are literally going to start selling drugs cause of Waka. But it does reinforce the sentiment without a doubt. For poor black kids, who come from economically deprived communities, some of them don't knowledge or education to push what these dudes say tot he side. IF you go to already one of the worst high schools in your urban center, it is easy to be persuaded in a sense by this #+$%? Biggie said "You either sling clack rock or have a wicked jumpshots." For too many black kids in America, there are only 3 avenue's of success, drugs, sports or music. Does Waka in the grand scheme of things really make a difference? No, but he is certainly isn't influencing anyone for the better, or helping anyone besides himself.
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my mission is to really give waka flocka a good listen this weekend, cause clearly im out of touch, 20 pages of waka vs Wu-tang in
the relevancy department
"this cant be life"
the relevancy department
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if u have anything to do wit that based +*%$ u cant speak down about waka...
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Waka responded too this in a very nice way props to him
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You don't know what EITHER artist's finances are... hush
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That's exactly my point, labels were offering more but the popular houston artists still had no reason to go major
Overall, most of them just wanted more fame after they saw how Flip was getting recognized
None of them saw a point in signing until Flip started to get burn on 106 and all that
He made it look fun so they followed suit
And to Ninjahood, if your comment about money was towards me you had to misread what I said
I said our lame rappers make more than the north's lame rappers, I wasn't implying waka made more than rae because he doesn't
The south is really just schooling the entire industry as how to make money quick and easy...yall know how hard it is to turn down quick and easy money?
Think of that question then you'll understand why the whole industry is following the south's marketing plan
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Time you my G and all but Lil B better than you
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TIME is a Certified Hater!!!
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In a thread like this, we truly get a chance to seperate the boys from the men with some of the comments that have been displayed. Some comments have been enlightening and others have just been asinine.
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Waka Flocka Flames On Lyrics! "Nobody Want To Hear That Cot Damn Dictionairy Rap