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Exactly. Fox News didn't talk about Romney's video once. MSNBC couldn't stop brining in analysts and their mother's to comment.
I swear I hate both of these channels. Fox News & MSNBC are |I
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You just found that out, pleighboi?Exactly. Fox News didn't talk about Romney's video once. MSNBC couldn't stop brining in analysts and their mother's to comment.
I swear I hate both of these channels. Fox News & MSNBC are
That's why I don't watch cable news.
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Don't really watch much news. What's a good, unbiased mainstream news source if there exists any? CNN?
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SMH, Obama even says in the video "these are in some communities" and never once mentioned the Republican Party.
The video actually makes Obama sound good, unlike Ronney's
Da video proves nothing, just your ignorance
As much as i know there are people that could use government help, i personally see so many people that stomp and abuse on aid just for a little extra buck and its not used for anything important. Theres people i know that have others peoples kid on their income tax and have no need for that extra money and spend it on jewelery, clothes and other material things and dont even break off the parents of the kid. Couple close family members that have several working contributors in the house hold and someone will be getting food stamps and there is clearly no need at all for it. Young girls i see around my way with sometimes 2 to 3 kids some with the baby daddys and some just getting knocked up by different dudes. Family members of mine and other family friends that have the stick it to the government mentality for no sure reason at all just for the hell of it. Friends of mine that at are beyond stupid with their finances. Spending financial aid money on cars or other useless stuff and not finishing or attempting to finish school, leasing cars that are way beyond their budgets just to stunt. I understand and believe that there are people that do need the help, but i've come across so many people and seen so many examples and people close to me that just make really bad decisions and never once stop to reflect and just continue on never really trying to better them selves. I do realize that their is a biased based on my surroundings and would like to see if there were some numbers of people on government help that are within means of supporting themselves.
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The Atlantic
[h1]Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?[/h1]
Mitt Romney says citizens who don't pay income tax will never vote for him. But eight of the top 10 states with the highest number of nonpayers are red states.
The political world is in a tizzy over hidden-camera footage of Mitt Romney at a fundraising event. Here's the money quote -- literally -- from the Mother Jones scoop:
So let's set that speculation aside and look at who the people are who actually pay no income tax. Romney's statements are a little unclear, but it appears that the 47 percent figure represents all of those who pay no income tax, rather than the Democratic base. His problem is that those people are disproportionately in red states -- that is, states that tend to vote Republican:
One important note about these numbers: This measures only those Americans who filed for taxes with no liability. Millions more didn't even file; it's those millions, added to the estimated 52 million here, who combine to make that 47 percent.
It's important to remember that just because people aren't paying income tax doesn't mean they're not paying taxes -- they pay federal payroll taxes and state and local sales taxes, for example. One those taxes are factored in, the tax regime is basically flat. And the reason that most income tax nonpayers don't pay is they simply don't make enough income to qualify to pay. As one might expect, the map of states with the highest poverty levels resembles this map fairly closely. Many of them are also seniors, a highly contested voting bloc. Just more than 10 percent of households pay no income tax because they're retired. They might also be voters in places like Florida who are already jumpy about the changes to Medicare and Medicaid that the Romney-Ryan ticket has proposed -- although they would be mostly unaffected by those reforms.
So Romney appears to be wrong about these voters. But if calling for a less progressive taxation system was enough to alienate poor voters in the Deep South, the Republican Party would have already lost its stronghold there.
Hat tip: Matt O'Brien
[h1]Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?[/h1]
Mitt Romney says citizens who don't pay income tax will never vote for him. But eight of the top 10 states with the highest number of nonpayers are red states.
The political world is in a tizzy over hidden-camera footage of Mitt Romney at a fundraising event. Here's the money quote -- literally -- from the Mother Jones scoop:
The horserace implications of this statement are what the chattering class is chattering about. Unfortunately, they're also unknowable at this point. On the one hand, it's always a bad idea to disparage voters (see: Obama, Barack and clinging to guns and religion), and the soundbite helps to cement the idea that Romney is out of touch with the average American -- clearly, he's not trying to connect with nearly half of them! On the other hand, Romney is disparaging folks whose votes he's already written off.
So let's set that speculation aside and look at who the people are who actually pay no income tax. Romney's statements are a little unclear, but it appears that the 47 percent figure represents all of those who pay no income tax, rather than the Democratic base. His problem is that those people are disproportionately in red states -- that is, states that tend to vote Republican:
One important note about these numbers: This measures only those Americans who filed for taxes with no liability. Millions more didn't even file; it's those millions, added to the estimated 52 million here, who combine to make that 47 percent.
It's important to remember that just because people aren't paying income tax doesn't mean they're not paying taxes -- they pay federal payroll taxes and state and local sales taxes, for example. One those taxes are factored in, the tax regime is basically flat. And the reason that most income tax nonpayers don't pay is they simply don't make enough income to qualify to pay. As one might expect, the map of states with the highest poverty levels resembles this map fairly closely. Many of them are also seniors, a highly contested voting bloc. Just more than 10 percent of households pay no income tax because they're retired. They might also be voters in places like Florida who are already jumpy about the changes to Medicare and Medicaid that the Romney-Ryan ticket has proposed -- although they would be mostly unaffected by those reforms.
So Romney appears to be wrong about these voters. But if calling for a less progressive taxation system was enough to alienate poor voters in the Deep South, the Republican Party would have already lost its stronghold there.
Hat tip: Matt O'Brien
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Come on bro, don't try to play me. I've known that for years its just pathetic that they haven't even tried to switch it up. It's :xYou just found that out, pleighboi?
That's why I don't watch cable news.
Great article tho on the percentage of those who don't pay.
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None.... Unbiased doesn't mean it's A Good News Source... Facts are biased.. If you are wrong on the facts, you should be called out on it... Not left to say your side without a tough challenge, and then let the people decide as if they know what the hell the true stat, fact, research finding is.. We shouldn't hear both sides, if one side is wrong on the facts..
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The Atlantic
[h1]Where Are the 47% of Americans Who Pay No Income Taxes?[/h1]
Mitt Romney says citizens who don't pay income tax will never vote for him. But eight of the top 10 states with the highest number of nonpayers are red states.
The political world is in a tizzy over hidden-camera footage of Mitt Romney at a fundraising event. Here's the money quote -- literally -- from the Mother Jones scoop:
There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what ....These are people who pay no income tax.
The horserace implications of this statement are what the chattering class is chattering about. Unfortunately, they're also unknowable at this point. On the one hand, it's always a bad idea to disparage voters (see: Obama, Barack and clinging to guns and religion), and the soundbite helps to cement the idea that Romney is out of touch with the average American -- clearly, he's not trying to connect with nearly half of them! On the other hand, Romney is disparaging folks whose votes he's already written off.
So let's set that speculation aside and look at who the people are who actually pay no income tax. Romney's statements are a little unclear, but it appears that the 47 percent figure represents all of those who pay no income tax, rather than the Democratic base. His problem is that those people are disproportionately in red states -- that is, states that tend to vote Republican:
One important note about these numbers: This measures only those Americans who filed for taxes with no liability. Millions more didn't even file; it's those millions, added to the estimated 52 million here, who combine to make that 47 percent.
It's important to remember that just because people aren't paying income tax doesn't mean they're not paying taxes -- they pay federal payroll taxes and state and local sales taxes, for example. One those taxes are factored in, the tax regime is basically flat. And the reason that most income tax nonpayers don't pay is they simply don't make enough income to qualify to pay. As one might expect, the map of states with the highest poverty levels resembles this map fairly closely. Many of them are also seniors, a highly contested voting bloc. Just more than 10 percent of households pay no income tax because they're retired. They might also be voters in places like Florida who are already jumpy about the changes to Medicare and Medicaid that the Romney-Ryan ticket has proposed -- although they would be mostly unaffected by those reforms.
So Romney appears to be wrong about these voters. But if calling for a less progressive taxation system was enough to alienate poor voters in the Deep South, the Republican Party would have already lost its stronghold there.
Hat tip: Matt O'Brien
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Make no mistake.
This is the most composed I've ever seen Mitt.
That man did not mince his words. He meant every single word.
This is the most composed I've ever seen Mitt.
That man did not mince his words. He meant every single word.
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Bingo.
I won't lie like major candidates don't appeal to their audiences, but Obama was talking about a limitation in segments of the population and what he faces.
He acknowledged that things ARE rough for some people no matter what happens to them...Mitt just makes it sound like if you just pulled yourself up then you'll be just fine.
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I won't say I agree with everything Mitt said...
But don't kid yourself like he's the only one doing stuff like this. Every politician is different than what they show the public, from Obama, to Romeny, to Clinton, to Bush, to whomever you support, have supported, or will support in the future. Let's not be naive about politicians in America.
Sadly, he's right about a few things, like how elections aren't won on intellectual conversations and discussions but TV ads and televised debates. Things are so dumbed down for Americans these days
I also don't buy into people criticizing Romney for having these "wealthy donor" dinners. Like Jay-Z and Beyonce, or any of these Hollywood types aren't rolling in coin. Drives me crazy that people are upset about CEOs making millions of dollars (which in some cases they should be) but aren't mad at professional athletes "gettin' theirs" for playing a damn game. The hypocrisy is disgusting with some folks around the country (I see it all over the place).
Sorry if I got off topic, but there are so many issues in America that no matter who we elect as president, they aren't going to be solved by them. The people in America have to make the choices that will make our country better. Don't leave those decisions to the suits in Washington. America isn't about two party politics. It's about viewpoints from so many different sides and from being bold in making decisions. America has gotten soft and we need to learn to live with one another, whether we're black, white, gay, straight, disabled, rich, poor, healthy, sick, or whatever else we might be labeled as. We need to be accountable and act responsibly. We need to run the country and not send all the power to the White House. This isn't a damn monarchy but sometimes I feel like that's the case. So many people look to the White House for direction. What happened to directing our own ships and destiny?
I understand that so many Americans are born into situations that allow them to never get out of it. I know that there are people who are racist, oppressive, and unfair. But the problem doesn't lie in Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, it lies within the hearts of us who don't help others and who don't lift others out of their situations. No president can ever match the power of the people of the United States. Why we don't use that power to do some serious good and stop arguing about such arbitrary things is beyond me.
I'm headed back to S/T now...
But don't kid yourself like he's the only one doing stuff like this. Every politician is different than what they show the public, from Obama, to Romeny, to Clinton, to Bush, to whomever you support, have supported, or will support in the future. Let's not be naive about politicians in America.
Sadly, he's right about a few things, like how elections aren't won on intellectual conversations and discussions but TV ads and televised debates. Things are so dumbed down for Americans these days
I also don't buy into people criticizing Romney for having these "wealthy donor" dinners. Like Jay-Z and Beyonce, or any of these Hollywood types aren't rolling in coin. Drives me crazy that people are upset about CEOs making millions of dollars (which in some cases they should be) but aren't mad at professional athletes "gettin' theirs" for playing a damn game. The hypocrisy is disgusting with some folks around the country (I see it all over the place).
Sorry if I got off topic, but there are so many issues in America that no matter who we elect as president, they aren't going to be solved by them. The people in America have to make the choices that will make our country better. Don't leave those decisions to the suits in Washington. America isn't about two party politics. It's about viewpoints from so many different sides and from being bold in making decisions. America has gotten soft and we need to learn to live with one another, whether we're black, white, gay, straight, disabled, rich, poor, healthy, sick, or whatever else we might be labeled as. We need to be accountable and act responsibly. We need to run the country and not send all the power to the White House. This isn't a damn monarchy but sometimes I feel like that's the case. So many people look to the White House for direction. What happened to directing our own ships and destiny?
I understand that so many Americans are born into situations that allow them to never get out of it. I know that there are people who are racist, oppressive, and unfair. But the problem doesn't lie in Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, it lies within the hearts of us who don't help others and who don't lift others out of their situations. No president can ever match the power of the people of the United States. Why we don't use that power to do some serious good and stop arguing about such arbitrary things is beyond me.
I'm headed back to S/T now...
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I won't say I agree with everything Mitt said...
But don't kid yourself like he's the only one doing stuff like this. Every politician is different than what they show the public, from Obama, to Romeny, to Clinton, to Bush, to whomever you support, have supported, or will support in the future. Let's not be naive about politicians in America.
Sadly, he's right about a few things, like how elections aren't won on intellectual conversations and discussions but TV ads and televised debates. Things are so dumbed down for Americans these days
"We won't let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers" - Romney Campaign.......
He's right that politics is dumbed down and he is the culprit for this election.
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Wait, what? This only further confirms what the majority of Americans think about Mitt Romney. This video isn't any different than his public persona.
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I'm sorry if I ranted. I'm trying to become a more learned person and have empathy for all cultures and people of different race, wealth, religion, etc. I don't mean to offend anybody and want to respect everybody's right to their opinion.
It just drives me crazy when politics are the major topic because American politics are awful and so twisted. I'm not defending Mitt Romney and I'm not attacking President Obama either. I just hate what American politics has become. Since when do we have to elect somebody from one of two sides? Since when did we have to take sides anyways? I hate our Republican/Democrat stuff America does these days. Sometimes there is no right or wrong, yet American politics has become that.
Sorry. I'm seriously done. Good night.
It just drives me crazy when politics are the major topic because American politics are awful and so twisted. I'm not defending Mitt Romney and I'm not attacking President Obama either. I just hate what American politics has become. Since when do we have to elect somebody from one of two sides? Since when did we have to take sides anyways? I hate our Republican/Democrat stuff America does these days. Sometimes there is no right or wrong, yet American politics has become that.
Sorry. I'm seriously done. Good night.
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Romney better just focus on riling up his base...cuz dude just burned bridges with a ton of people.
He might as well cancel every campaign event designed to score points with hispanics right now.
He might as well cancel every campaign event designed to score points with hispanics right now.
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also...what i thought was interesting was how dude pretty much pulled back the curtain on the machinations of running a campaign, and talking about how he has dudes who just try to win elections for a living. Like straight up paid merceneries, who tell you what to do. That's part of the reason why dude can't be who he wants to be...his handlers control him.
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You've never heard of Karl Rove? That dude is the goddamn rain man.
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If that's the case he has NO SHOT at winning..
Pennsylvania & Michigan are 95% chance of going Obama (which is rare that they are out of play so early)..
So if he can't win Hispanics (i.e. Nevada, Colorado & New Mexico) it means Romney has to win every single swing state including Florida..
He loses this election (barring catastrophe in the next month and a half) it was for three reasons 1. Democratic Convention blew Republican Convention out of the water 2. He bungled the embassy reaction by saying Obama sympathizes with people who kill Americans 3. This comment here.
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dont be so naive...when this dropped it was a huge blowback for obama. one of his weaknesses are working class white folks, and this
comment came across as if he was elitist.
CNN were even comparing da romney tapes to this very obama dialogue.
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I feel you...I know he won't stop trying to reach out to hispanics, but it's gonna be what was already an uphill battle just became mission impossible....He better hope that people develop a case of amnesia though, as he basically just said that the hispanic community doesn't think and just votes along race lines....or that they do think, but race trumps all for them. Either way, hella bad.
....I'm so waiting to see what the GOP spin machine does to counter this one.
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not with this voter suppression.
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You tell me who understands the plight of working class whites more.
I'll wait.
Obama ain't a saint, but dude knows what its like to struggle. When he spoke on that, he was being empathetic to their struggles of people who don't have any positive foreseeable future.
Mitt on the other hand? Basically if you're not voting for him, then you're just in it for the benefits.
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