MLB Trade Deadline thread - Everybody to LAD; Contreras to COL; Kazmir to ANA; Wagner to BOS.

[proshares]

Originally Posted by JPZx

This from the article by Jon Paul Morosi of FoxSports:

"Meanwhile, representatives of no fewer than seven contenders - the Dodgers, Phillies, Brewers, Tigers, Red Sox, Rangers and Twins - were in attendance. (Of that group, the Red Sox don't appear to have serious interest, and it would be a surprise if Texas or Minnesota came up with the money.) And if any of those scouts were there to look at Toronto's bullpen, well, they picked a lousy day."

I know it won't happen, but I can dream right

Dreams were crushed pretty quickly

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by PhilBalla09

w/ the way happ is pitching im hoping they go after Dukes, Bedard, or Washburn. it would be cheaper

JRain would have a temper tantrum if you traded for Dukes.

 

[proshares]

^ I think he may have meat Duke from Pittsburgh.

 

[dland24]

^I know.

at any of those pitchers being better for the Phils, regardless of price.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

So wait why do people think JA Happ is good?

He can't strike people out, has limited control, a straight fast ball and no true out pitch...you can keep him.

Also dude is 26 years old.

\
I can't stand i tI have scoured the Phillies farm system, I hate all of them.

I seriously think you're starting to lose credibility... Do you even watch the players you comment about? Happ almost has a 2:1 strikeout to walk ratio... Which is actually pretty good. Not ace type stuff, but it's not horrible.

He also had a complete game shutout with no walks against the Jays just last month...

Did you know JA Happ gives 3.16 walks per 9 innings pitchers with good controll, Roy Hallday, Zach Grenkie, Dan Harren give up 1 walk per 9.
Did you know his batting average on balls in play is .242 and has been on of the luckiest starters in the majors.
Did you know JA Happ only 36% of his hits are ground balls on of the lowest rates in the league.
Did you know over 46% of his balls in play are fly balls, top 10 in the majors?

So let me get this straight, he doesn't get groundballs, hitters get the ball elvated off him pretty well, and has a abnormally low batting average onballs in play.

He has gotten lucky, he will get hit, oh and in the starts I have seen he realies on his fastball alot to strike people out, that @$%+ won't fly in theAL.
He has a real good defense behind him, dude is nothing more than 4/5 starter on the next level.

 

[philballa09]

relying on stats


Happ is really good mixing/ hiding pitches. he's gonna be a good number 2/3 pitcher

 

[incredibleev]

im sorry, but you know the only way you getting anything close to equal value for Doc is the Texas trade if u get Smoak/Feliz (not happening) or a Boston trade(also prob not happening)

i feel bad for Halladay - you can tell hes the type of dude that wants to stay in Toronto his whole career, win or lose

 

[osh kosh bosh]

It's baseball.

These are facts, proven right by 100 of years of baseball, you cannot maintain an ERA that low unless you don't walk people, strike people out, or keep theball on the ground. Happ does none of those things.

His funky delivery will not work in the American league and it won't work much longer in the JV league, it's a matter of time. Dude is a 4/5 starter inthe NL probably a 5th starter in the AL.

 

[N41D]

If JA Happ is a 2 or 3 in a big league rotation, that team is spinning wheels in the mud going nowhere fast.

He's a useful piece, but only as a secondary/toss-in guy in a deal of this caliber...

 

[philballa09]

ok youre right. Happ is straight up trash. once we get doc his $%# should get demoted where he belongs.

 

[nnarum]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

So wait why do people think JA Happ is good?

He can't strike people out, has limited control, a straight fast ball and no true out pitch...you can keep him.

Also dude is 26 years old.

\
I can't stand i tI have scoured the Phillies farm system, I hate all of them.

I seriously think you're starting to lose credibility... Do you even watch the players you comment about? Happ almost has a 2:1 strikeout to walk ratio... Which is actually pretty good. Not ace type stuff, but it's not horrible.

He also had a complete game shutout with no walks against the Jays just last month...

Did you know JA Happ gives 3.16 walks per 9 innings pitchers with good controll, Roy Hallday, Zach Grenkie, Dan Harren give up 1 walk per 9.
Did you know his batting average on balls in play is .242 and has been on of the luckiest starters in the majors.
Did you know JA Happ only 36% of his hits are ground balls on of the lowest rates in the league.
Did you know over 46% of his balls in play are fly balls, top 10 in the majors?

So let me get this straight, he doesn't get groundballs, hitters get the ball elvated off him pretty well, and has a abnormally low batting average on balls in play.

He has gotten lucky, he will get hit, oh and in the starts I have seen he realies on his fastball alot to strike people out, that @$%+ won't fly in the AL.
He has a real good defense behind him, dude is nothing more than 4/5 starter on the next level.

Did you know though he is 7-0 with an ERA under 3?

I don't know many other pitchers regardless of where they play that have those numbers...

 

[N41D]

Yall are so damn quick to dismiss stats that actually mean something it's pathetic...

Nobody cares about his 7 wins. The most empty stat in baseball. His ERA, as Osh already showed, is supported by shakey peripherals that suggest what he'sdoing isn't sustainable and he's due for a pretty good amount of regression... It's not saying he sucks, just that he's not nearly as good asthose numbers suggest...

It happens every year. Some guys put together a year of stats based largely on lucky peripherals, people buy in and swear he's a legit frontline starter,and then he falls on his face when a full year OK control, no real strikeout pitch, few groundballs, and lots of flyballs actually plays out the way it hasgenerally played out over the course of baseball history...

 

[nnarum]

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Yall are so damn quick to dismiss stats that actually mean something it's pathetic...

Nobody cares about his 7 wins. The most empty stat in baseball. His ERA, as Osh already showed, is supported by shakey peripherals that suggest what he's doing isn't sustainable and he's due for a pretty good amount of regression... It's not saying he sucks, just that he's not nearly as good as those numbers suggest...

It happens every year. Some guys put together a year of stats based largely on lucky peripherals, people buy in and swear he's a legit frontline starter, and then he falls on his face when a full year OK control, no real strikeout pitch, few groundballs, and lots of flyballs actually plays out the way it has generally played out over the course of baseball history...

Alright, the point is that Happ isn't horrible and neither an Ace. He's shown that he can get wins. You're not going to get even tradevalue for arguably the best pitcher in baseball...

Look at what we got for Johan... Carlos Gomez

 

[briannnnn]

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Yall are so damn quick to dismiss stats that actually mean something it's pathetic...

Nobody cares about his 7 wins. The most empty stat in baseball. His ERA, as Osh already showed, is supported by shakey peripherals that suggest what he's doing isn't sustainable and he's due for a pretty good amount of regression... It's not saying he sucks, just that he's not nearly as good as those numbers suggest...

It happens every year. Some guys put together a year of stats based largely on lucky peripherals, people buy in and swear he's a legit frontline starter, and then he falls on his face when a full year OK control, no real strikeout pitch, few groundballs, and lots of flyballs actually plays out the way it has generally played out over the course of baseball history...

Alright, the point is that Happ isn't horrible and neither an Ace. He's shown that he can get wins. You're not going to get even trade value for arguably the best pitcher in baseball...

Look at what we got for Johan... Carlos Gomez

Why does the Twins GM still have a job?

A (&@$%(@&%*(@&$*^@*$&@*$@*(&#@(#* awful trade.

At least Kevin Mulvey finally got called up the other day.

 

[nnarum]

Originally Posted by briannnnn

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Yall are so damn quick to dismiss stats that actually mean something it's pathetic...

Nobody cares about his 7 wins. The most empty stat in baseball. His ERA, as Osh already showed, is supported by shakey peripherals that suggest what he's doing isn't sustainable and he's due for a pretty good amount of regression... It's not saying he sucks, just that he's not nearly as good as those numbers suggest...

It happens every year. Some guys put together a year of stats based largely on lucky peripherals, people buy in and swear he's a legit frontline starter, and then he falls on his face when a full year OK control, no real strikeout pitch, few groundballs, and lots of flyballs actually plays out the way it has generally played out over the course of baseball history...

Alright, the point is that Happ isn't horrible and neither an Ace. He's shown that he can get wins. You're not going to get even trade value for arguably the best pitcher in baseball...

Look at what we got for Johan... Carlos Gomez

Why does the Twins GM still have a job?

A (&@$%(@&%*(@&$*^@*$&@*$@*(&#@(#* awful trade.

At least Kevin Mulvey finally got called up the other day.

That trade doesn't even make me mad... The trade that really upsets me is the Garza/Bartlett for Delmon Young and Brendan Harris...

Delmon is log jamming our outfield situation and Bartlett > Harris...

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Yall are so damn quick to dismiss stats that actually mean something it's pathetic...

Nobody cares about his 7 wins. The most empty stat in baseball. His ERA, as Osh already showed, is supported by shakey peripherals that suggest what he's doing isn't sustainable and he's due for a pretty good amount of regression... It's not saying he sucks, just that he's not nearly as good as those numbers suggest...

It happens every year. Some guys put together a year of stats based largely on lucky peripherals, people buy in and swear he's a legit frontline starter, and then he falls on his face when a full year OK control, no real strikeout pitch, few groundballs, and lots of flyballs actually plays out the way it has generally played out over the course of baseball history...

Alright, the point is that Happ isn't horrible and neither an Ace. He's shown that he can get wins. You're not going to get even trade value for arguably the best pitcher in baseball...

Look at what we got for Johan... Carlos Gomez

Not the same situation.

 

[proshares]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by nnarum

Originally Posted by Nowitness41Dirk

Yall are so damn quick to dismiss stats that actually mean something it's pathetic...

Nobody cares about his 7 wins. The most empty stat in baseball. His ERA, as Osh already showed, is supported by shakey peripherals that suggest what he's doing isn't sustainable and he's due for a pretty good amount of regression... It's not saying he sucks, just that he's not nearly as good as those numbers suggest...

It happens every year. Some guys put together a year of stats based largely on lucky peripherals, people buy in and swear he's a legit frontline starter, and then he falls on his face when a full year OK control, no real strikeout pitch, few groundballs, and lots of flyballs actually plays out the way it has generally played out over the course of baseball history...

Alright, the point is that Happ isn't horrible and neither an Ace. He's shown that he can get wins. You're not going to get even trade value for arguably the best pitcher in baseball...

Look at what we got for Johan... Carlos Gomez

Not the same situation.

If they wait around like the Twins did you never know...it might turn out to be the same type of situation.

 

[p mac one]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Not the same situation.

The only team that has a top 25 prospect to give up is Philly. Only problem there is that Drabek has makeup issues (granted, a lot of times thatdoesn't matter) and has already had TJ surgery. On top of that, most people think Philly wouldn't give him up anyways.

The Santana trade had the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets as suitors.

I don't see anything to suggest that the Jays are going to get an offer considerably better than what the Mets gave up for Santana (or what JP supposedlyoffered Minaya today).

 

[bobby1109]

^ The Mets didn't give up anything close to what Minny wanted in the beginning of that off-season, if JP doesn't get back something better than thatoffer he needs to be shot.

Drabek is probably better than anyone that the Mets gave up for Santana. Both the Yanks and Sox had MUCH better offers on the table for Santana.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by P MAC ONE

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Not the same situation.

The only team that has a top 25 prospect to give up is Philly. Only problem there is that Drabek has makeup issues (granted, a lot of times that doesn't matter) and has already had TJ surgery. On top of that, most people think Philly wouldn't give him up anyways.

The Santana trade had the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets as suitors.

I don't see anything to suggest that the Jays are going to get an offer considerably better than what the Mets gave up for Santana (or what JP supposedly offered Minaya today).

I don't believe that nonsense for a single second, I hate the Philies and I will take that poo poo plater before I give up Halladay for theMets #%+@ sandwhich, JP can't be that dumb.

We can get that B level prospect package during the winter, %*$+ that.

Stop using the Mets trade as president, they got boned.

 

[bobby1109]

^ Precedent.

 

[philballa09]

While the Phillies seem the best bet to grab Roy Halladay -- if the Blue Jays decide to deal their ace -- they are also looking at upgrades in the bullpen.

Philadelphia sent a scout to watch Arizona closer Chad Qualls over the weekend, perhaps signaling the teams were talking about a deal.

Qualls, 31 next month, is 1-1 with a 3.76 ERA and 17 saves in 21 opportunities. He is holding right-handed hitters to a .234 average and has allowed just three homers in 38 1/3 innings (his 1.62 groundball-to-flyball ratio would work well at Citizens Bank Park).

He makes $2.535 million this year and will be eligible for arbitration after the season.

The fourth-place Diamondbacks have already begun dumping, sending infielder Felipe Lopez to the Brewers.

Brett Myers, whose season appeared finished when he had surgery on his right hip June 4, said he is "way ahead of schedule" and will throw a bullpen session Saturday at Citizens Bank Park. Myers said Bryan Kelly, the hip specialist who performed the surgery in New York, told him earlier this month there is no reason he couldn't be back with the Phillies from mid to late August.

...

If Myers returns, he will be pitching out of the bullpen.

"There's no time for me to get up to 100 pitches," he said. "I'm not going to help the team if I go four innings. That's not going to help anybody."

But Myers could help as a late-inning reliever. He picked up 21 saves for the Phillies in 2007, so he knows the bullpen.

"I'll do anything it takes to help," he said. "Do I want to help out when some of those guys go back-to-back? Yeah."

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by P MAC ONE

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Not the same situation.

The only team that has a top 25 prospect to give up is Philly. Only problem there is that Drabek has makeup issues (granted, a lot of times that doesn't matter) and has already had TJ surgery. On top of that, most people think Philly wouldn't give him up anyways.

The Santana trade had the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets as suitors.

I don't see anything to suggest that the Jays are going to get an offer considerably better than what the Mets gave up for Santana (or what JP supposedly offered Minaya today).

I don't believe that nonsense for a single second, I hate the Philies and I will take that poo poo plater before I give up Halladay for the Mets #%+@ sandwhich, JP can't be that dumb.

We can get that B level prospect package during the winter, %*$+ that.

Stop using the Mets trade as president, they got boned.

Forget how stupid JP is. Omar is a bigger idiot if he declined that trade.

 

[bobby1109]

^ I think it came out that the Mets offered the trade and the Jays said no...

 

[mez 0ne]

It was already confirmed that was the proposed trade, Blue Jays asking for wayyy too much they have zero leverage.

Not even the Phils will want to part with more than 2 of their better prospects.