My Gay Friends: Please stop comparing your plight to civil rights.

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Originally Posted by Grizzlyboy

Racism and Discrimination are two totally different and historically independent subjects and they should not be crossed.

Definition of Discrimination:



The act, practice, or instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually 




Definition of Racism:




Racial Prejudice or discrimination




Oh.

 

[proper english]

Originally Posted by Grizzlyboy

Racism and Discrimination are two totally different and historically independent subjects and they should not be crossed.

the hell 

is this comment real? 

 

[staystrong]

AntonLaVey wrote:cartune wrote:RKO2004 wrote:
Wait, why aren't polygamists given the same rights btw? I really have never looked it up and I'm looking for a quick straight to the point answer.


Because most people believed marriage was for A man and A woman. Oh and the media hasn't made it socially acceptable yet. 
I just hope to see the same passionate internet progressives when they start coming out the closet (Utah) demanding marriage rights. 


More than one wife you say? I aint even mad Damn the liberal media, don't let them tell you how to act and feel.  If you got hate in your heart let it out


**+! it if gays can get married i want two wifes and a ranch cant tell me nothing

 

[staystrong]

AntonLaVey wrote:cartune wrote:RKO2004 wrote:
Wait, why aren't polygamists given the same rights btw? I really have never looked it up and I'm looking for a quick straight to the point answer.


Because most people believed marriage was for A man and A woman. Oh and the media hasn't made it socially acceptable yet. 
I just hope to see the same passionate internet progressives when they start coming out the closet (Utah) demanding marriage rights. 


More than one wife you say? I aint even mad Damn the liberal media, don't let them tell you how to act and feel.  If you got hate in your heart let it out


**+! it if gays can get married i want two wifes and a ranch cant tell me nothing

 

[rko2004]

About Polygamy though. How crazy would it be if two guys were trying to marry one girl?

 

[rko2004]

About Polygamy though. How crazy would it be if two guys were trying to marry one girl?

 

[staystrong]

j4ck wrote:AntonLaVey wrote:ATGD7154xBBxMZ wrote:That's another thing I've noticed. Some ppl crying about this comparison keep referencing all of the black ppl dying for civil rights as if this is suppose to be some pissing contest. It always stuck me as a daunting example of ignorance. Like gays can't get civil rights until they spend a century or two being hung from trees and hunted in society.
word, I'm sorry homosexuals started their struggle in a more progressive time in American society. Furthermore, black people in this country today have it way better than their ancestors.....does this mean black people today have no right to express grievances?
no it just means society is sick of black people using it to cope with personal problems... the number of times i hear black people using it as an excuse is pretty ridiculous

if society is sick of black people complaining why dont society just stop being raciest and give a level playing field for us to be sucessful...... blacks still have to fight for racial equality today oh u think it was over because america now have a black president blacks should stop complaining now right ? this is crap

 

[staystrong]

j4ck wrote:AntonLaVey wrote:ATGD7154xBBxMZ wrote:That's another thing I've noticed. Some ppl crying about this comparison keep referencing all of the black ppl dying for civil rights as if this is suppose to be some pissing contest. It always stuck me as a daunting example of ignorance. Like gays can't get civil rights until they spend a century or two being hung from trees and hunted in society.
word, I'm sorry homosexuals started their struggle in a more progressive time in American society. Furthermore, black people in this country today have it way better than their ancestors.....does this mean black people today have no right to express grievances?
no it just means society is sick of black people using it to cope with personal problems... the number of times i hear black people using it as an excuse is pretty ridiculous

if society is sick of black people complaining why dont society just stop being raciest and give a level playing field for us to be sucessful...... blacks still have to fight for racial equality today oh u think it was over because america now have a black president blacks should stop complaining now right ? this is crap

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by cartune

Anton its simple lets step away from the homosexuality issue because for whatever reason alot of yall in here are blindly passionate about that one group.

Lets say Polygamists wanted to be recognized around the country with the same marriage laws as everyone else. Its a civil rights issue right?

Now can they seriously say its the same civil rights struggle as the one going on the 50s/60s?

Wait, why aren't polygamists given the same rights btw? I really have never looked it up and I'm looking for a quick straight to the point answer.

No one has the right to marry more than one person, so polygamists have the same rights as everyone else.

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

Originally Posted by RKO2004

Originally Posted by cartune

Anton its simple lets step away from the homosexuality issue because for whatever reason alot of yall in here are blindly passionate about that one group.

Lets say Polygamists wanted to be recognized around the country with the same marriage laws as everyone else. Its a civil rights issue right?

Now can they seriously say its the same civil rights struggle as the one going on the 50s/60s?

Wait, why aren't polygamists given the same rights btw? I really have never looked it up and I'm looking for a quick straight to the point answer.

No one has the right to marry more than one person, so polygamists have the same rights as everyone else.

 

[cobra kai]

Originally Posted by staystrong

j4ck wrote:AntonLaVey wrote:ATGD7154xBBxMZ wrote:That's another thing I've noticed. Some ppl crying about this comparison keep referencing all of the black ppl dying for civil rights as if this is suppose to be some pissing contest. It always stuck me as a daunting example of ignorance. Like gays can't get civil rights until they spend a century or two being hung from trees and hunted in society.
word, I'm sorry homosexuals started their struggle in a more progressive time in American society. Furthermore, black people in this country today have it way better than their ancestors.....does this mean black people today have no right to express grievances?
no it just means society is sick of black people using it to cope with personal problems... the number of times i hear black people using it as an excuse is pretty ridiculous

if society is sick of black people complaining why dont society just stop being raciest and give a level playing field for us to be sucessful...... blacks still have to fight for racial equality today oh u think it was over because america now have a black president blacks should stop complaining now right ? this is crap

make ya own damn playing field bruh. 
we as a black people, always talking about oh, it aint easy for me to get a job cuz of the white man. make ya own damn job. 

save what little cash you have, get a strong business plan and kiss %@# to get that loan. you might fail, you might not. 

 

[cobra kai]

Originally Posted by staystrong

j4ck wrote:AntonLaVey wrote:ATGD7154xBBxMZ wrote:That's another thing I've noticed. Some ppl crying about this comparison keep referencing all of the black ppl dying for civil rights as if this is suppose to be some pissing contest. It always stuck me as a daunting example of ignorance. Like gays can't get civil rights until they spend a century or two being hung from trees and hunted in society.
word, I'm sorry homosexuals started their struggle in a more progressive time in American society. Furthermore, black people in this country today have it way better than their ancestors.....does this mean black people today have no right to express grievances?
no it just means society is sick of black people using it to cope with personal problems... the number of times i hear black people using it as an excuse is pretty ridiculous

if society is sick of black people complaining why dont society just stop being raciest and give a level playing field for us to be sucessful...... blacks still have to fight for racial equality today oh u think it was over because america now have a black president blacks should stop complaining now right ? this is crap

make ya own damn playing field bruh. 
we as a black people, always talking about oh, it aint easy for me to get a job cuz of the white man. make ya own damn job. 

save what little cash you have, get a strong business plan and kiss %@# to get that loan. you might fail, you might not. 

 

[staystrong]

RKO2004 wrote:About Polygamy though. How crazy would it be if two guys were trying to marry one girl?

she can marry both of them now....... why not

 

[staystrong]

RKO2004 wrote:About Polygamy though. How crazy would it be if two guys were trying to marry one girl?

she can marry both of them now....... why not

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by proper english

Originally Posted by Grizzlyboy

Racism and Discrimination are two totally different and historically independent subjects and they should not be crossed.

the hell 

is this comment real? 

Honestly considering all the utter stupidity you've heard in this thread, are you really THAT surprised?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by proper english

Originally Posted by Grizzlyboy

Racism and Discrimination are two totally different and historically independent subjects and they should not be crossed.

the hell 

is this comment real? 

Honestly considering all the utter stupidity you've heard in this thread, are you really THAT surprised?

 

[nycknicks105]

I wouldn't consider this to the same, but a lot of the similarities are there. I still would never consider this to be the same.

 

[nycknicks105]

I wouldn't consider this to the same, but a lot of the similarities are there. I still would never consider this to be the same.

 

[staystrong]

Cobra Kai wrote:staystrong wrote:j4ck wrote:AntonLaVey wrote:ATGD7154xBBxMZ wrote:That's another thing I've noticed. Some ppl crying about this comparison keep referencing all of the black ppl dying for civil rights as if this is suppose to be some pissing contest. It always stuck me as a daunting example of ignorance. Like gays can't get civil rights until they spend a century or two being hung from trees and hunted in society.
word, I'm sorry homosexuals started their struggle in a more progressive time in American society. Furthermore, black people in this country today have it way better than their ancestors.....does this mean black people today have no right to express grievances?
no it just means society is sick of black people using it to cope with personal problems... the number of times i hear black people using it as an excuse is pretty ridiculous

if society is sick of black people complaining why dont society just stop being raciest and give a level playing field for us to be sucessful...... blacks still have to fight for racial equality today oh u think it was over because america now have a black president blacks should stop complaining now right ? this is crapmake ya own damn playing field bruh. 
we as a black people, always talking about oh, it aint easy for me to get a job cuz of the white man. make ya own damn job. 
save what little cash you have, get a strong business plan and kiss %@# to get that loan. you might fail, you might not. 

why do i have to kiss @+* to get a loan why can i just qualify if im qualified like anybody else..... thats what im talking about degreating myself to succeed thats what making my own playing field is about

 

[staystrong]

Cobra Kai wrote:staystrong wrote:j4ck wrote:AntonLaVey wrote:ATGD7154xBBxMZ wrote:That's another thing I've noticed. Some ppl crying about this comparison keep referencing all of the black ppl dying for civil rights as if this is suppose to be some pissing contest. It always stuck me as a daunting example of ignorance. Like gays can't get civil rights until they spend a century or two being hung from trees and hunted in society.
word, I'm sorry homosexuals started their struggle in a more progressive time in American society. Furthermore, black people in this country today have it way better than their ancestors.....does this mean black people today have no right to express grievances?
no it just means society is sick of black people using it to cope with personal problems... the number of times i hear black people using it as an excuse is pretty ridiculous

if society is sick of black people complaining why dont society just stop being raciest and give a level playing field for us to be sucessful...... blacks still have to fight for racial equality today oh u think it was over because america now have a black president blacks should stop complaining now right ? this is crapmake ya own damn playing field bruh. 
we as a black people, always talking about oh, it aint easy for me to get a job cuz of the white man. make ya own damn job. 
save what little cash you have, get a strong business plan and kiss %@# to get that loan. you might fail, you might not. 

why do i have to kiss @+* to get a loan why can i just qualify if im qualified like anybody else..... thats what im talking about degreating myself to succeed thats what making my own playing field is about

 

[truthgetsbusy]

I see the mighty troll is stronger that ever.

Wont even waste my time in this thread.

Black struggle has nothing in common with the struggle of homosexuals.  Period.  They are different and have too many variables to compare one another. 

 

[truthgetsbusy]

I see the mighty troll is stronger that ever.

Wont even waste my time in this thread.

Black struggle has nothing in common with the struggle of homosexuals.  Period.  They are different and have too many variables to compare one another. 

 

[cedric ceballos 1995 lakers]

what if your a black gay person, what's your situation then?

 

[cedric ceballos 1995 lakers]

what if your a black gay person, what's your situation then?

 

[callhimar]

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

I'm honestly not sure what the title of this thread is referring to so I'll go about this two ways. 
First of all, contrary to what this thread title literally states, the LBGT community in the United States is fighting for their civil rights. There is much more at stake than being able to say that two people are married. There are legal issues that come with marriage rights that are denied to gay couples, and this is undoubtedly a civil rights issue. It is a question of equality for all citizens of the United States and just because you may not agree with or personally partake in the lifestyle does not give you the right to deny someone else theirs. 

Secondly, if we're simply comparing this to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s then there is a point. African Americans and other minority groups certainly did struggle through enormous amounts of opposition, but so has the LBGT community. Many states still had sodomy laws on the books up until the late 80s-early 2000s and they were only completely struck down in 2003 by the Supreme Court. The first state to grant same sex marriages didn't do so until 2004. As for struggle, the plight of homosexuals in New York City as well as other places in the United States is well documented in the book about the Stonewall Riots by David Carter. This includes discrimination on a large scale by the NYPD for as little as wearing sexually ambiguous clothing. There were also instances in other parts of the country in the recent past of homosexuals being put in mental institutions to be "fixed." In some cases the "treatment" was as extreme as forced lobotomies, and in others, castration. This "reprogramming" still goes on today, but is largely carried out by extreme religious organizations.

So, just because you aren't aware of the struggles of another group of people doesn't mean they didn't take place.

Quoting myself because I'm fairly certain many of you don't actually know the struggles of homosexuals in this country.