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Quoting myself because I'm fairly certain many of you don't actually know the struggles of homosexuals in this country.
My Gay Friends: Please stop comparing your plight to civil rights.
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Quoting myself because I'm fairly certain many of you don't actually know the struggles of homosexuals in this country.
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I did not explain myself in full and deserve to be classified with the rest of the foolishness.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Honestly considering all the utter stupidity you've heard in this thread, are you really THAT surprised?Originally Posted by proper english
the hell
is this comment real?
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I did not explain myself in full and deserve to be classified with the rest of the foolishness.Originally Posted by AntonLaVey
Honestly considering all the utter stupidity you've heard in this thread, are you really THAT surprised?Originally Posted by proper english
the hell
is this comment real?
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Oh.
not that simple
discrimination = The state of being discriminated, distinguished from, or set apart
racism= The state of being discriminated, distinguished from, or set apart based on race
you discriminate every day. You descriminated whether to wake up this morning, or stay asleep. To ponder whether to brush your teeth then eat, or eat then brush your teeth is discrimination. so to all you trolls out there, yes they are two separate subjects. If you don't see it, then you're just being silly and dumb
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Oh.
not that simple
discrimination = The state of being discriminated, distinguished from, or set apart
racism= The state of being discriminated, distinguished from, or set apart based on race
you discriminate every day. You descriminated whether to wake up this morning, or stay asleep. To ponder whether to brush your teeth then eat, or eat then brush your teeth is discrimination. so to all you trolls out there, yes they are two separate subjects. If you don't see it, then you're just being silly and dumb
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iYen wrote:The injustices that blacks face today aren't as bad as the injustices gays face today in countries like Nigeria, Uganda, and South Africa.Originally Posted by Hop
This is bull. I know homosexuals don't have it "good", but the injustices they suffer don't compare to anything African Americans have suffered in America. That "As if you suffered the same injustices" argument is idiotic and the people who usually fall back on this argument do so out of desperation (desperate to win an argument). No, we haven't suffered these injustices that are ancestors have, but I DO know that homosexuals don't have separate bathrooms, didn't experience slavery, have never had to fight for their right to vote, and are not considered 3/5's of a person.
I do hope that homosexuals win their battle for equal rights, but your whole statement is just stupid.
I'm not trying to win an argument.
I'm only here to post my opinion and discuss with those willing to listen.
I'm not here to debate or straw man other people's arguments.
Why are you classifying injustices done to groups in an effort to do what?
Prove that gay's struggles and black's struggles shouldn't be compared?
What does that accomplish?
1) Yes you are trying to "win" (maybe the wrong word) an argument or you wouldn't post your opinions.
2) OP of this thread is talking about the comparison of the Civil Rights of African Americans to struggle in America in comparison to homosexuals struggle for civil rights as of now. Were not comparing the treatment of homosexuals now to African Americans now. Yes, homosexuals are discriminated against in other countries but the thread is about them comparing their treatment in America.
3)"Prove that gay's struggles and black's struggles shouldn't be compared?What does that accomplish?" Then why are you posting in this thread? They shouldn't be compared because they are different; its not a #%$ measuring contest like some NT'ers try to make it. I agree that it's just stupid to compare who had worst, but I don't believe that was the point the op was making. ( if any...)
Its all love though for you iYen. I respect all of your views just don't agree with some of them.
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iYen wrote:The injustices that blacks face today aren't as bad as the injustices gays face today in countries like Nigeria, Uganda, and South Africa.Originally Posted by Hop
This is bull. I know homosexuals don't have it "good", but the injustices they suffer don't compare to anything African Americans have suffered in America. That "As if you suffered the same injustices" argument is idiotic and the people who usually fall back on this argument do so out of desperation (desperate to win an argument). No, we haven't suffered these injustices that are ancestors have, but I DO know that homosexuals don't have separate bathrooms, didn't experience slavery, have never had to fight for their right to vote, and are not considered 3/5's of a person.
I do hope that homosexuals win their battle for equal rights, but your whole statement is just stupid.
I'm not trying to win an argument.
I'm only here to post my opinion and discuss with those willing to listen.
I'm not here to debate or straw man other people's arguments.
Why are you classifying injustices done to groups in an effort to do what?
Prove that gay's struggles and black's struggles shouldn't be compared?
What does that accomplish?
1) Yes you are trying to "win" (maybe the wrong word) an argument or you wouldn't post your opinions.
2) OP of this thread is talking about the comparison of the Civil Rights of African Americans to struggle in America in comparison to homosexuals struggle for civil rights as of now. Were not comparing the treatment of homosexuals now to African Americans now. Yes, homosexuals are discriminated against in other countries but the thread is about them comparing their treatment in America.
3)"Prove that gay's struggles and black's struggles shouldn't be compared?What does that accomplish?" Then why are you posting in this thread? They shouldn't be compared because they are different; its not a #%$ measuring contest like some NT'ers try to make it. I agree that it's just stupid to compare who had worst, but I don't believe that was the point the op was making. ( if any...)
Its all love though for you iYen. I respect all of your views just don't agree with some of them.
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Originally Posted by Hop
1) Yes you are trying to "win" (maybe the wrong word) an argument or you wouldn't post your opinions.
2) OP of this thread is talking about the comparison of the Civil Rights of African Americans to struggle in America in comparison to homosexuals struggle for civil rights as of now. Were not comparing the treatment of homosexuals now to African Americans now. Yes, homosexuals are discriminated against in other countries but the thread is about them comparing their treatment in America.
3)"Prove that gay's struggles and black's struggles shouldn't be compared?What does that accomplish?" Then why are you posting in this thread? They shouldn't be compared because they are different; its not a #%$ measuring contest like some NT'ers try to make it. I agree that it's just stupid to compare who had worst, but I don't believe that was the point the op was making. ( if any...)
Its all love though for you iYen. I respect all of your views just don't agree with some of them.
1. No, I'm not, this is a discussion and I hope you see it that way.
3. They are different but I think they should be compared because as I've stated before both groups are striving to achieve the same thing, equality.
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Originally Posted by Hop
1) Yes you are trying to "win" (maybe the wrong word) an argument or you wouldn't post your opinions.
2) OP of this thread is talking about the comparison of the Civil Rights of African Americans to struggle in America in comparison to homosexuals struggle for civil rights as of now. Were not comparing the treatment of homosexuals now to African Americans now. Yes, homosexuals are discriminated against in other countries but the thread is about them comparing their treatment in America.
3)"Prove that gay's struggles and black's struggles shouldn't be compared?What does that accomplish?" Then why are you posting in this thread? They shouldn't be compared because they are different; its not a #%$ measuring contest like some NT'ers try to make it. I agree that it's just stupid to compare who had worst, but I don't believe that was the point the op was making. ( if any...)
Its all love though for you iYen. I respect all of your views just don't agree with some of them.
1. No, I'm not, this is a discussion and I hope you see it that way.
3. They are different but I think they should be compared because as I've stated before both groups are striving to achieve the same thing, equality.
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Wr.. you Johnny Cochran type $%^&* $%^&*
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
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Wr.. you Johnny Cochran type $%^&* $%^&*
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
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I'm all for polygamy in marriage. If one religion is allowed to might as well make it a right to all.
I think the main obstacle it's not some national right is the financial implications, loop holes, etc. that can come with it.
I think the main obstacle it's not some national right is the financial implications, loop holes, etc. that can come with it.
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I'm all for polygamy in marriage. If one religion is allowed to might as well make it a right to all.
I think the main obstacle it's not some national right is the financial implications, loop holes, etc. that can come with it.
I think the main obstacle it's not some national right is the financial implications, loop holes, etc. that can come with it.
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If you are black and have dealt with racial discrimination first hand, this whole comparison is obnoxious. If you are on the outside looking in, you're just speculating. You're like a basketball commentator whose feet never even touched the court. People in general need to stop trying to tell black people how to behave. black people are not the children of all other races and groups so why does the dialogue continue to address us as so. We feel how we feel about it. Get over it, or try to make race relations better. If you're trying to level with a black person and all that comes out your mouth is about how black people got it good now, black people don't suffer no more, the first thing you're going to do is piss that black person off. This is not some chapter out of your history book dedicated to black history month. This is real life. My grand parents were civil rights activist. My parents where too. i've struggled for civil rights for my peers even to this day. Black people were getting fire hosed to the point of flesh being ripped off the body out in the streets just for equal treatment by the very same people we are supposed to look towards for protection (police, firefighters). Do you know what that does to the psyche of a group of people. It breeds distrust and low self esteem. Even more so because of the fact that these images of these events have been broadcasted around the world for years and was viewed as acceptable behavior.
I have never seen gay people hosed by the fire and police departments on tv.
I have never seen gay population centers bombed and destroyed by military action ordered by state governors and mayors.
I have never seen gay people have dogs sicked on them on tv.
The history of black people's civil rights in this country is at best a mockery.
I'm speaking "only in America"
I have never seen gay people hosed by the fire and police departments on tv.
I have never seen gay population centers bombed and destroyed by military action ordered by state governors and mayors.
I have never seen gay people have dogs sicked on them on tv.
The history of black people's civil rights in this country is at best a mockery.
I'm speaking "only in America"
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If you are black and have dealt with racial discrimination first hand, this whole comparison is obnoxious. If you are on the outside looking in, you're just speculating. You're like a basketball commentator whose feet never even touched the court. People in general need to stop trying to tell black people how to behave. black people are not the children of all other races and groups so why does the dialogue continue to address us as so. We feel how we feel about it. Get over it, or try to make race relations better. If you're trying to level with a black person and all that comes out your mouth is about how black people got it good now, black people don't suffer no more, the first thing you're going to do is piss that black person off. This is not some chapter out of your history book dedicated to black history month. This is real life. My grand parents were civil rights activist. My parents where too. i've struggled for civil rights for my peers even to this day. Black people were getting fire hosed to the point of flesh being ripped off the body out in the streets just for equal treatment by the very same people we are supposed to look towards for protection (police, firefighters). Do you know what that does to the psyche of a group of people. It breeds distrust and low self esteem. Even more so because of the fact that these images of these events have been broadcasted around the world for years and was viewed as acceptable behavior.
I have never seen gay people hosed by the fire and police departments on tv.
I have never seen gay population centers bombed and destroyed by military action ordered by state governors and mayors.
I have never seen gay people have dogs sicked on them on tv.
The history of black people's civil rights in this country is at best a mockery.
I'm speaking "only in America"
I have never seen gay people hosed by the fire and police departments on tv.
I have never seen gay population centers bombed and destroyed by military action ordered by state governors and mayors.
I have never seen gay people have dogs sicked on them on tv.
The history of black people's civil rights in this country is at best a mockery.
I'm speaking "only in America"
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Originally Posted by proper english
Wr.. you Johnny Cochran type $%^&* $%^&*
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
that's because we have hybridized the meaning of it and took it from it's original context. Our faulty and inconsistent use of language is what further leads to our disconnect with one another. Our definitions for words and vague and ambiguous, no wonder nobody can agree on anything...
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Originally Posted by proper english
Wr.. you Johnny Cochran type $%^&* $%^&*
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
that's because we have hybridized the meaning of it and took it from it's original context. Our faulty and inconsistent use of language is what further leads to our disconnect with one another. Our definitions for words and vague and ambiguous, no wonder nobody can agree on anything...
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Originally Posted by proper english
Wr.. you Johnny Cochran type $%^&* $%^&*
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
Dudes in here are go hards, out there somewhere is a white man making the same bull#%%$ excuses and justifications about racism against black people.
Ignore what happens in the rest of the world, because America has become more progressive. It's almost like they WANT America to take a step back into the dark ages so gay people can get hosed down and chased by dogs.
antonlavey
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Originally Posted by proper english
Wr.. you Johnny Cochran type $%^&* $%^&*
were aware of the definition.. but you know damn well nobody uses discriminate in that fashion.
Dudes in here are go hards, out there somewhere is a white man making the same bull#%%$ excuses and justifications about racism against black people.
Ignore what happens in the rest of the world, because America has become more progressive. It's almost like they WANT America to take a step back into the dark ages so gay people can get hosed down and chased by dogs.
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I think that the majority of the people saying that the two can not be compared aren't looking at the entire picture of the persecution of #$!$ sexuals. Obviously gays people now don't have it as hard as blacks circa 1850 America, but gays have been persecuted pretty harshly if you look at it from a broader perspective than simply the (relatively) recent United States. Gays have had it pretty rough in Europe as long the the Christian church was in power, easily 1200 years +, and don't forget that the Nazis sent a huge percentage of European gays to the gas chamber. Just saying, it was a lot rougher for the average gay person in Nazi-occupied Poland ca 1942 than the average African American in the United States at the same time.
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I think that the majority of the people saying that the two can not be compared aren't looking at the entire picture of the persecution of #$!$ sexuals. Obviously gays people now don't have it as hard as blacks circa 1850 America, but gays have been persecuted pretty harshly if you look at it from a broader perspective than simply the (relatively) recent United States. Gays have had it pretty rough in Europe as long the the Christian church was in power, easily 1200 years +, and don't forget that the Nazis sent a huge percentage of European gays to the gas chamber. Just saying, it was a lot rougher for the average gay person in Nazi-occupied Poland ca 1942 than the average African American in the United States at the same time.
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cats in here REACHIN for similar plights of gays to that of colored folks....
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cats in here REACHIN for similar plights of gays to that of colored folks....
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So do we have a score in the moronic 'we had it worse so how dare you say they are similar' contest yet? Can we all just agree that African Americans had it worse so we can go back to thinly veiling our homophobia?
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So do we have a score in the moronic 'we had it worse so how dare you say they are similar' contest yet? Can we all just agree that African Americans had it worse so we can go back to thinly veiling our homophobia?
