NBA Off-Season News Thread: Roy extends 80/5, AI to Grizz, Chandler/Okafor swap, Marquis to C's.

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

Originally Posted by AirVandal180

If I were the Lakers, I would let Odom go and sign either Jamario Moon or Matt Barnes.

Artest/Moon/Barnes would be giving that team about the same as Odom/Ariza did, less Odom's ballhandling skills.
You have no clue what you are talking about...
Why not? The Lakers would actually get better defensively, and the money it would take to sign Moon or Barnes (or both) would leave the Lakerssome wiggle room when the time comes to pay Gasol (who absolutely would have to be paid whatever). They would suffer offensively (which isn't necessarily atotal loss considering what other personnel the Lakers have to score the ball) and in ballhandling but it's not a bad trade-off than from what youwould've had to pay Odom and Ariza.
 
Originally Posted by avitale8

idk if this has been posted or not, but The Magic are going to sign CJ Watson to an offer sheet.
I would love for this to go down. I don't know much about CJ but his stats tend to suggest he's a pretty efficient player, and an upgrade to Old Man AJ.
CJ Watson is a solid player IMO
 
Originally Posted by AirVandal180

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

Originally Posted by AirVandal180

If I were the Lakers, I would let Odom go and sign either Jamario Moon or Matt Barnes.

Artest/Moon/Barnes would be giving that team about the same as Odom/Ariza did, less Odom's ballhandling skills.
You have no clue what you are talking about...
Why not? The Lakers would actually get better defensively, and the money it would take to sign Moon or Barnes (or both) would leave the Lakers some wiggle room when the time comes to pay Gasol (who absolutely would have to be paid whatever). They would suffer offensively (which isn't necessarily a total loss considering what other personnel the Lakers have to score the ball) and in ballhandling but it's not a bad trade-off than from what you would've had to pay Odom and Ariza.
first off, get rid of your sig. how can you root for the nets and ny baseball teams?
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better defensively? moon/barnes is a solid defender AT MOST. they wouldn't suffer offensively, although LO's post game would be miss, and barnes isstreaky, while moon cant really hit a shot to save his life.
and magic arnt losing much picking up cj, but dont expect much outa him.
 
I still think that the Lakers and Odom will come to an agreement. According to what I saw on ESPN a few days ago, Odom wants 5 yrs/$45 mill and the Lakersoffered 4 yrs/$36 mill. So they both agree on the $9 mill/season...they aren't that far apart
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Originally Posted by BangDak

Originally Posted by AirVandal180

Originally Posted by EnEyeKayEe

Originally Posted by AirVandal180

If I were the Lakers, I would let Odom go and sign either Jamario Moon or Matt Barnes.

Artest/Moon/Barnes would be giving that team about the same as Odom/Ariza did, less Odom's ballhandling skills.
You have no clue what you are talking about...
Why not? The Lakers would actually get better defensively, and the money it would take to sign Moon or Barnes (or both) would leave the Lakers some wiggle room when the time comes to pay Gasol (who absolutely would have to be paid whatever). They would suffer offensively (which isn't necessarily a total loss considering what other personnel the Lakers have to score the ball) and in ballhandling but it's not a bad trade-off than from what you would've had to pay Odom and Ariza.
first off, get rid of your sig. how can you root for the nets and ny baseball teams?
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better defensively? moon/barnes is a solid defender AT MOST. they wouldn't suffer offensively, although LO's post game would be miss, and barnes is streaky, while moon cant really hit a shot to save his life.
and magic arnt losing much picking up cj, but dont expect much outa him.
So I'm not allowed to comment on other team's situations, just because I root for the Mets and Nets and Giants? I didn't know that wasa rule.

Perhaps the Lakers wouldn't be a better team defensively on paper, but they'd be smarter I'd think. Artest could guard 3 positions, includingshooting guard, which could take some pressure off Kobe against certain teams. Moon/Barnes aren't as good defensively as Ariza but they would be good roleplayers in Ariza's mold.

All I'm saying is if the Lakers allowed both Odom and Ariza to leave, Artest and either Moon/Barnes wouldn't be a bad replacement tandem, and for lessmoney than what they would've had to pay Ariza/Odom.
 
If the Lakers were to lose Lamar, another power forward would be imperative. I like Josh Powell but he's nothing more than a serviceable 15 MPG back up.Unfortunately there's not too many power forwards left in free agency.

Drew Gooden - Talented but a headcase with a terrible basketball IQ
Glen Davis - Doubt the Celtics would let him come to the Lakers
Mikki Moore -
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Chris Wilcox - Wildly inconsistent and living off potential
Joe Smith - Reliable vet but can he maintain his level of play?

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well it's not official...they gotta wait 7 days for GS to match or not...hopefully being that they have like 37 pg's on their roster they can let himwalk.
 
Originally Posted by AirVandal180

So I'm not allowed to comment on other team's situations, just because I root for the Mets and Nets and Giants? I didn't know that was a rule.

Perhaps the Lakers wouldn't be a better team defensively on paper, but they'd be smarter I'd think. Artest could guard 3 positions, including shooting guard, which could take some pressure off Kobe against certain teams. Moon/Barnes aren't as good defensively as Ariza but they would be good role players in Ariza's mold.

All I'm saying is if the Lakers allowed both Odom and Ariza to leave, Artest and either Moon/Barnes wouldn't be a bad replacement tandem, and for less money than what they would've had to pay Ariza/Odom.
no, its just because most NYers hate the swamprats, and yet you seem to like them, and ny baseball teams. im just saying.
odom makes dumb decisions at times, but barnes is just the same, and so is moon. did you see his days at TO?
 
Originally Posted by avitale8

idk if this has been posted or not, but The Magic are going to sign CJ Watson to an offer sheet.
I would love for this to go down. I don't know much about CJ but his stats tend to suggest he's a pretty efficient player, and an upgrade to Old Man AJ.
Watson is trash. All he has is an ok jumper. Can't create, pass, or defend.
 
[h2]Sources: Heat prepared to offer Odom[/h2]
By Marc Stein
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LAS VEGAS -- Amid a growing sense around the league that the MiamiHeat have a real shot at stealing Lamar Odomaway from the Los Angeles Lakers, Odom is expected to take theweekend to ponder his next move.

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Sources with knowledge of Odom's thinking told ESPN.com that he has not abandoned hope of resuscitating serious negotiations with L.A. after Lakersowner Jerry Buss angrily pulled a three-year, $27 million offer off the table earlier this week.

According to a broadcast report Friday night from longtime L.A. television personality Jim Hill, Odom called Buss directly on Thursday in an attempt toreignite talks.

The Heat, meanwhile, have made it clear that they are prepared to offer the richest contract they can in an attempt to convince Odom to stop haggling withthe Lakers, with the Dallas Mavericks also eager to offer the samefallback option.

Heat star Dwyane Wade made a public plea Friday forOdom to return to the franchise that sent him to the Lakers in the Shaquille O'Neal deal in the summer of 2004, announcing that "we want him backhome."

According to sources close to the process, Odom has been apprised that he can sign a five-year Heat deal consuming all of the team's mid-levelexception, which would be worth $34 million and include the option to return to free agency after three years and negotiate a larger contract with Miami.

With the Lakers possessing Odom's Larry Bird rights, Miami can't match the $9 million annual salary that sources say he and the Lakers agreed tolast week before talks collapsed. But the difference between the first three years of a Heat contract -- worth nearly $19 million -- and the $27 million overthree years offered by L.A. might not be as wide as it appears. It's estimated that the absence of state taxes in Florida would represent close to an extra$1 million per season of take-home pay for Odom.

ESPN.com reported Tuesday night that Odom and the Lakers had reached an accord on a per-season wage of $9 million, but Odom balked at L.A.'sunwillingness to extend an offer spanning more than three years in length,

The Los Angeles Times, in reporting that Buss had pulled the offer, said Buss grew impatient after a few days that he didn't receive a firm responsefrom Odom's camp. Yet one source told ESPN.com that Odom was never given a deadline to accept or pass.

Lakers spokesman John Black acknowledged Tuesday to the Times that "talks have broken down for the time being" but conceded that a resumption innegotiations is "within the realm of possibility." That remains what many rival teams camped at the NBA's annual summer league in Las Vegasexpect, given Odom's importance during the Lakers' championship run last season and the fact that the only apparent issue between the sides is believedto be contract length.

The possibility exists that Buss has simply decided that he is no longer amenable to absorbing the luxury-tax implications of even a three-year deal worthOdom, but it would be an undeniable blow for the Lakers to report to training camp in October without Odom and Trevor Ariza after their contributions to the 15th championshipin franchise history.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak, approached by ESPN.com in Vegas on Thursday, said he could not publicly discuss the Odom situation. Attempts to reachOdom and agent Jeff Schwartz have been unsuccessful.

"I want Lamar to do what's best for him and his family because we love him as family," Wade said Friday in a phone interview with theAssociated Press to discuss his new shoe deal with Brand Jordan.

"But on the other hand we want him back home... to come home. His house is still there. It'd be exciting to see what happens."

The South Florida Sun-Sentinel reported Friday that Heat president Pat Riley, addressing season-ticket holders in a two-day session that was closed tomedia, revealed that he is also monitoring CarlosBoozer's status with the Utah Jazz but had not yetmade a trade approach for the Team USA power forward.

As ESPN.com reported Tuesday night, Odom's unexpected availability combined with a trade for Boozer would flank Wade with two quality forwards andenable Miami to re-sign Boozer in the summer of 2010 without needing salary-cap space because the Heat would own Boozer's Bird rights. It's thoughtthat acquiring Odom and Boozer this summer would greatly enhance Miami's chances of convincing Wade to sign a long-term deal to stay with the Heat, afterWade announced recently that he wants to be surrounded with more proven help before committing his future to Riley.

Sources maintain that Odom, if he can't go back to the Lakers, would strongly favor a return to the Heat over a move to Dallas or Portland. The Blazersonce again have cap space to spend now that Utah has matched their four-year, $32 million offer sheet to Paul Millsap, but it is not yet known if they plan to lodge abid for Odom similar to the five-year offer in the region of $50 million that Hedo Turkoglu accepted from Portland earlier this month and then walked away from to sign with Toronto.

Odom, who turns 30 in November, has made it clear over the past several months that he has no desire to leave the Lakers, whom he joined when L.A. broke upits three-peat duo of O'Neal and Kobe Bryant bytrading O'Neal to Miami for Odom, Caron Butler andBrian Grant. He made $14.1 million last season tocomplete the six-year, $63 million contract he received from Miami in the summer of 2003.

Although he initially chafed at his move to the bench, Odom ultimately flourished as a sixth man, averaging 12.3 points, 9.1 rebounds and 32 minutes pergame during the playoffs, when he frequently wound up partnering with Pau Gasol in the Lakers' frontcourt since young center Andrew Bynum was still developing.

Replacing Ariza with the more physical Ron Artest thisoffseason has given the Lakers someone to absorb at least some of Odom's minutes and responsibilities if he does leave. But Odom's departure would beundoubtedly celebrated by other playoff contenders in the West, since it's the luxury of having three long-limbed big men to flank Bryant -- Odom, Gasoland Bynum -- that makes L.A. so unique. Odom also ranks as one of Artest's closest friends in the game, so his continued presence would theoretically helpLakers coach Phil Jackson and Bryant manage the mercurial Artest.

Asked in a Monday telephone interview with the Times why a deal was not yet done, Odom said: "I don't know. That's why there are negotiations.I don't know. Of course I hope they can get it done. It's negotiations. Both sides are going to give and take. That's part of it. I don't knowhow long it's going to take. ... The Lakers have been too good to me to rub people over there the wrong way. The Lakers have been nothing but great to me,and I want to keep the relationship great."

In the event that the talks are not resuscitated, L.A. would have to count on the unpredictable Artest and the up-and-down Bynum to fill the void. And Odom,in that scenario, would almost certainly be returning to Wade's side after they led Miami to a 42-40 record in 2003-04 when Wade was rookie.

"Lamar already knows how I feel," Wade said. "I really don't know how to feel. He's really taken time to deal with it, sit back.It's a very important decision in his life. It could be about where he ends his career."

In 10 seasons, Odom has averaged 15.1 points and 8.8 rebounds.

"Lamar and I always had a great relationship," Wade said. "He's always been the guy, one of the guys, that I thought really helped me asa young player."

The Times has reported that Odom had actually been presented with two offers by the Lakers -- $30 million over three years and $36 million over four -- butsources with knowledge of the talks dispute that, saying that L.A.'s best offer topped out at $27 million over three years.

"There are specifics behind why we pulled it, but that's not something we're going to get into," Black told the Associated Press onWednesday.

Marc Stein is a senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. The Associated Press contributed to this report.

I have feeling that he's going to stay with the Lakers. As I stated before, I want Booz and LO would be a bonus
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I have a question, are Marc Stein and Ric Bucher ever on the same page. Stein writes the story above and Bucher twitted this:

RicBucherLast LAL source said they've moved on from LO. LO source suspects same, hopes otherwise. Me? Can't fathom LAL letting Ariza and LOgo.about 3 hours ago from web

YungChris, here's some good news from CP3:

Oneandonlycp3Jus for the record too...I'M NOT GOIN ANYWHERE!!! No clue what Chris Thomasson was talkin about, but I didn't sayany of what he was say ...about 1 hourago from UberTwitter
 
Yeah I agree with Bucher, letting BOTH Ariza/LO go would be really
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Yeah it puts everyone in their natural positions, and makes all the legit starters happy, but you're losing out on a guy like Lamar Odom.

And I already was one of the few who thought that the upgrade from Ariza to Artest wasn't huge, so losing LO would be a huge blow.
 
man we need to sign LO and get boozer on a trade..... that would bring so much versatility to our squad.... and maybe if A.I. see's that LO and boozer cameto the heat... i hope that he would be willing to take less money and come play for a very likely contender if he wants to win...
 
Originally Posted by YoungTriz

man we need to sign LO and get boozer on a trade..... that would bring so much versatility to our squad.... and maybe if A.I. see's that LO and boozer came to the heat... i hope that he would be willing to take less money and come play for a very likely contender if he wants to win...
With what? the LLE?
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AI ain't going to be playing for 2 million.

But LO/Booz would do wonders for that team.

I'd hate to see Haslem go, but he's something I'd be willing to part with if it meant Boozer.
 
If the Lakers were to lose Lamar, another power forward would be imperative. I like Josh Powell but he's nothing more than a serviceable 15 MPG back up. Unfortunately there's not too many power forwards left in free agency.

Drew Gooden - Talented but a headcase with a terrible basketball IQ
Glen Davis - Doubt the Celtics would let him come to the Lakers
Mikki Moore -
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Chris Wilcox - Wildly inconsistent and living off potential
Joe Smith - Reliable vet but can he maintain his level of play?

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Agreed. I think you perfectly described Wilcox, and at what point during one's career does 'potential' turn into 'bust' because he'sclosing in fast. I can't see LA wanting Mikki Moore or even him contributing in LA, and I also don't see Joe Smith leaving CLE but I haven't heardanything on the situation so I can't say that as a fact.

LA is not a guaranteed repeat unless they get LO back, sorry LA guys but that's how I feel. LO came up huge for you guys last year as a great utility guy.You guys might disagree but this was arguably his best year in LA (not numbers wise but knowing his role and contributing), no?

YoungTriz: Does MIA have the space to sign LO AND trade for Booze? That's picking up like $22m in contracts, I wasn't aware any team had that kind ofspace this summer. Regardless that would be a tough tough lineup, but I'm leaning towards unlikely on that one.
 
A.I is a far fetch...
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.. but trust if there was a way.. i would take him on the squad..
but boozer would be traded for haslem / wright/ and another small contract i believe.. in a 3 way trade with utah and memphis
heat are offering LO the MLE i believe that is stretch to 5 years.....
either A.I. and boozer or LO and boozer... dont matter to me...

i think we have the 2nds richest nba owner... but dude aint willing to spend money unless he knows that we are a contender....
i dont know.. us 5 heat fans are just waiting for something to happen... wade is able to sign a extension, but he aint gonna do anything til riley gets a squadtogether... and riley said he aint gonna put a squad together unless wade signs first...
 
Originally Posted by bhzmafia14

Randolph deal is final. Just heard it on ESPN.

[h1]Grizzlies acquire Zach Randolph from Clippers[/h1]
Power forward one of only four players to average 20-10 last season.

MEMPHIS - The Grizzlies acquired power forward Zach Randolph from the Los Angeles Clippers in exchange for guard/forward Quentin Richardson, Grizzlies General Manager and Vice President of Basketball Operations Chris Wallace announced today.

"We are pleased to acquire a player of Zach Randolph's caliber," Wallace said. "Zach is one of the best low-post scorers in the league and a force on the boards as well. He will also bring much-needed experience to the team."

The 6-9, 260-pounder averaged 20.8 points, 10.1 rebounds and shot 47.5 percent from the field over 35.1 minutes in 50 games (45 starts) last season with the Knicks and Clippers. The 27-year-old was one of four players in 2008-09 to average over 20 points and 10 rebounds, joining Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh and Al Jefferson.

It marked the third 20-10 campaign in eight NBA seasons for Randolph, who has recorded 19.8 points and 9.8 rebounds in 388 games (368 starts) since becoming a full-time starter (2003-09). In the Grizzlies' 14-year history, only Shareef Abdur-Rahim has posted a 20-10 season (20.3 points, 10.1 rebounds in 1999-00).

The winner of the NBA's 2003-04 Most Improved Player Award has averaged 16.7 points and 8.3 rebounds in 30.0 minutes on 46.6 percent shooting in 506 games (379 starts) in eight NBA seasons with the Clippers, the New York Knicks and the Portland Trail Blazers.

Randolph, who was previously acquired along with Mardy Collins by the Clippers from the Knicks on Nov. 21, 2008 in exchange for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas, is one of only five players to average at least 17 points and eight rebounds in each of the last six seasons (Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Dirk Nowitzki, Pau Gasol). He's averaged a double-double in each of the past three seasons, despite playing for three different teams, and has recorded 191 double-doubles since the 2003-04 season (eighth among NBA players during that span).

The Marion, Ind. native was originally selected with the 19th overall pick in the first round of the 2001 NBA Draft by the Trail Blazers after his freshman season at Michigan State University. Randolph, nicknamed "Z-Bo," scored a career-high 43 points on March 29, 2007 vs. Memphis as a member of the Trail Blazers.

Richardson was acquired by the Grizzlies from the Knicks on draft night (June 25, 2009) in exchange for center Darko Milicic. The 6-6, 235-pound swingman averaged 10.2 points and 4.4 rebounds in 72 games (51 starts) last season, his fourth with the Knicks.

A nine-year NBA veteran, Richardson holds career averages of 11.5 points, 5.0 rebounds and 1.6 assists in 601 games (390 starts) with the Knicks, the Phoenix Suns and the Clippers, who originally selected him with the 18th overall pick in the first round of the 2000 NBA Draft.
All I can do is hope for the best.
Thank you once again Memphis FO
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Welcome Back Q and your expiring contract!!!
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Originally Posted by YoungTriz

A.I is a far fetch...
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.. but trust if there was a way.. i would take him on the squad..
but boozer would be traded for haslem / wright/ and another small contract i believe.. in a 3 way trade with utah and memphis
heat are offering LO the MLE i believe that is stretch to 5 years.....
either A.I. and boozer or LO and boozer... dont matter to me...

i think we have the 2nds richest nba owner... but dude aint willing to spend money unless he knows that we are a contender....
i dont know.. us 5 heat fans are just waiting for something to happen... wade is able to sign a extension, but he aint gonna do anything til riley gets a squad together... and riley said he aint gonna put a squad together unless wade signs first...
That's who I want to see come down here. The reason I don't want Odom in Miami is because I think he would cut into Beasley's minutesand I think that dude can be a stud if given the minutes.
 
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