NBA Off-Season News Thread: Roy extends 80/5, AI to Grizz, Chandler/Okafor swap, Marquis to C's.

Nice trade by the Grizz on getting that 1 rder and 3 mil towards SH contract
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Originally Posted by DubA169

you can spin it anyway you want homie.

You think when rubio comes in two years he's gonna wanna battle with an established point guard in flynn? If the wolves wanted to go the two pg route they could have gotten curry instead of some kid who has mad baggage. The wolves should have used that number 6 pick more wisely, i don't see how you can think otherwise.
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Spin it? I'm not spinning anything, these are the facts. Keep your NYK homer-ism out of your takes for once and see the picture clearly. IfRubio had been drafted at #8 by NY it would've been even LESS of a chance that he would be playing in the NBA this year. He needs 6 million dollars for hisbuyout after being drafted in the #5 spot...and the team that drafts him can only assist by giving $500,00. He would need MUCH more money for the buyout if hehad been drafted by the Knicks but he wouldn't have been able to get it because he would've been slotted at #8 money. Your takes are uneducated anddownright comical dude
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Do I think he's going to want to come to us if our PG situation is established? Frankly, I don't care if he wants to or not. He is going to no matterwhat he wants.

And Really? We're already marking Flynn being a "established point guard" a sure thing? Please. No one knows how any of these prospects are goingto perform in the NBA....was this not repeatedly called the weakest draft class in years? No one is a sure-fire thing except Griffin. All your reasons for itbeing a bad decision by the Timberwolves are "what-ifs" it's pretty hilarious that you think you're takes are logical.
 
[h2]Why the tax matters now ... and later[/h2]
The NBA dropped an absolute bombshell last month, and I'm still not sure everyone realizes how big it was.
So it's time for me to get the blinking neon lights and huge capital letters.

As our Marc Stein mentioned a month ago, way down of the last paragraph in the league's memo to teams on the salary cap was the little nugget that the league projects the 2010-11 salary cap will shrink sharply thanks to revenue decline projected for this coming season.

That's only the tip of the iceberg. The big news is that it takes the luxury-tax level down with it. Teams are looking at a tax level of between $61-65 million next season. While some farsighted teams had been projecting such a state of affairs for a while, I'm told that as recently as April the guidance from the league was much more optimistic.

This is huge. People in every front office in the league has been talking about it, especially the ones that were caught off guard. Most of the good ones weren't, it should be said; teams whose bean-counters follow the revenue side closely were projecting a decline in the salary cap for a long time, as I noted at the end of this story in February. (Incidentally, this is one of many reasons I don't believe Billy Hunter's bluster -- some very smart people in front offices around the league were planning for this scenario several months ago.)

For fans the issue is the cap, because that's where all the yummy free-agent stuff will happen, especially the projected circus surrounding LeBron James. And we'll get to how it impacts next summer in a minute.

But for teams the big story is the tax, and fans should care too since it's going to impact a massive number of personnel decisions over the next 18 months. In fact, it's already had a huge effect this summer.

Allow me to explain. The entire guiding principle of most cap-related decisions in the past two decades is that the cap will almost always go up and sure as heck won't go down. It's embedded in the contracts, too, most of which contain either 8 percent or 10.5 percent annual raises. Thus teams feel safe gambling on a $5 million player. If they're wrong, the cap will effectively erase the mistake in a season or two by continually rising.

In the current environment, however, some teams are going to be completely whipsawed by a cap that goes down just as their salaries go up. Clubs that have several players with long-term deals could be well under the tax threshold in 2009-10, and then be well over it in 2010-11 with more or less the same players. This is a real threat for the Philadelphia 76ers and Indiana in particular, and it could grab several other teams depending on what transpires in the coming months.

Those two clubs aren't in the worst situations, however. The New Orleans Hornets are not only over this season's tax line; they're also several million above next season's projected threshold even if they cut Hilton Armstrong and Julian Wright. Or how about Denver? The Nuggets' starting five makes them a tax team even in the league's most optimistic scenario, at $66 million, and that's before adding Chris Andersen, Ty Lawson and at least six other players to the payroll.

Wait, there's more. The Charlotte Bobcats and Golden State Warriors are close enough to the tax that signing a player to the midlevel exception this summer would put them over next season, even if they don't use their draft picks a year from now. Now you understand why each has been so quiet this offseason. And wonder of wonders, even cheapo Memphis could threaten the tax line if the Griz get a high lottery pick and drop another $10 million or so to keep Rudy Gay.

That doesn't include the usual high-spending teams that are likely to go far past the tax threshold. The Lakers are looking at a $25 million tax bill even after holding the line on contracts for Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom, while the Orlando Magic is looking at nearly as large an assessment without nearly the same revenue streams. The Boston Celtics and Dallas Mavericks also will be way over if they hope to keep some semblance of their current rosters together, and San Antonio may join them if it wants to keep free-agent-to-be Manu Ginobili.

This was liable to happen at some point, of course; the cap wasn't going to keep going up forever. Nonetheless, teams that were caught holding the wrong cards at the wrong time feel burned, especially because the guidance didn't come until well after most of the contracts had been agreed to. Essentially, the horse has already left the barn.

"We felt we were conservative," one such team exec told me when the league's memo came out, "[but] you're shooting in the dark."

So why we are we talking so much about the luxury-tax bill for two years from now? Because the repercussions already are being felt, and will be throughout the league until the 2011 trade deadline.

Take Philadelphia, for instance. The Sixers were at next season's projected tax line even without re-signing Andre Miller, and that doesn't account for a draft pick next year, either. Now you understand why they showed amazingly little enthusiasm for re-signing one of their best players. I'm told Miller entered free agency looking for a $40 million deal, but with cap space tight and his own team sitting things out he had to settle for a third of that.

Miller isn't the only one whose situation changed because of the plummeting tax line. Linas Kleiza of Denver, Ramon Sessions of Milwaukee and Raymond Felton of Charlotte are nominally restricted free agents, but given their team's tax situations it's hard to imagine any of the three getting market-rate offers from their current employers. Jarrett Jack was in the same situation before Toronto came to his rescue.

In addition to the teams I mentioned above, several other clubs are going to have to tread very carefully to avoid the tax line next season, including second-tier contenders like Atlanta, Toronto, Detroit, Portland and Washington.

And now that the A-list free agents are off the board, we're seeing the chilling impact it's had on signings. A lot of people are blaming the economy, and while that's been important in restricting the spending of a couple of teams (Sacramento and New Jersey most prominently), it's the tax that's been the much larger issue.

For instance, the threat of a tax hit a year from now is why several productive unrestricted free agents (such as Drew Gooden, Hakim Warrick and Rasho Nesterovic) had to settle for one-year deals that paid them reasonably this season but wouldn't impact their new clubs' tax number for the crucial 2010-11 season. And it's why several others (such as Allen Iverson, Flip Murray and Joe Smith) still don't have a uniform for next season.

Younger players looking for multiyear deals have been burned even worse than the vets. Quality restricted free agents such as David Lee, Nate Robinson, Glen Davis and the trio mentioned above don't have deals for next season and don't seem particularly close to signing one, even though they're widely acknowledged to be desirable assets. It's why Josh Childress is back in Greece and Carlos Delfino might be going back to Russia.

Of course, anything that creates losers also creates winners. Those teams that are under the cap this season and next basically won the lottery, because teams such as New Orleans, Utah and Philadelphia will clamor for the privilege of dumping a contract on them.

The biggest winner of all, however, might be Miami. While several teams' hopes of cap space were severely diminished by the projected salary cap dip -- most notably New York's sugarplum dreams of inking two max contracts at once -- the Heat are unaffected. They have virtually no money on the books beyond this season and could add one max contract and another fairly expensive star, all while keeping Dwyane Wade.

No wonder the Miami Heat have been quiet this summer and happily let Jamario Moon scoot off to Cleveland. For all the talk from Wade about threatening to bolt if the Heat aren't better this year, it's clear Miami's best shot at contending is to try to find Wade two stellar teammates next season and then continue to build in the following seasons … when the cap and tax levels project to rise just like the good old days.

Unfortunately, for most of the league's 30 teams, the bombshell in that 10th paragraph was far more unsettling. Fans already are weary of hearing about the luxury tax in trade conversations, but in the coming 12 months they're going to hear more of it than they ever imagined.

John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. To e-mail him, click here.
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Originally Posted by JPZx

Originally Posted by DubA169

you can spin it anyway you want homie.

You think when rubio comes in two years he's gonna wanna battle with an established point guard in flynn? If the wolves wanted to go the two pg route they could have gotten curry instead of some kid who has mad baggage. The wolves should have used that number 6 pick more wisely, i don't see how you can think otherwise.
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Spin it? I'm not spinning anything, these are the facts. Keep your NYK homer-ism out of your takes for once and see the picture clearly. If Rubio had been drafted at #8 by NY it would've been even LESS of a chance that he would be playing in the NBA this year. He needs 6 million dollars for his buyout after being drafted in the #5 spot...and the team that drafts him can only assist by giving $500,00. He would need MUCH more money for the buyout if he had been drafted by the Knicks but he wouldn't have been able to get it because he would've been slotted at #8 money. Your takes are uneducated and downright comical dude
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Do I think he's going to want to come to us if our PG situation is established? Frankly, I don't care if he wants to or not. He is going to no matter what he wants.

And Really? We're already marking Flynn being a "established point guard" a sure thing? Please. No one knows how any of these prospects are going to perform in the NBA....was this not repeatedly called the weakest draft class in years? No one is a sure-fire thing except Griffin. All your reasons for it being a bad decision by the Timberwolves are "what-ifs" it's pretty hilarious that you think you're takes are logical.
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I'll excuse you for jumping to wild conclusions. Where in my post did I mention the new york knicks? Where did i said it would be inRUBIO's best interest to be on the knicks? i said wolves management is dumb as hell for that pick and even dumber for not trading him when his stock washigh. Once again why not go with curry if you wanna do the two point guard strategy? I havn't seen visual evidence to say rubio will even do well in thenba.

Come back to me in 2 years when(if) he actually sets foot in the nba and we'll talk about my logic
 
1. i never said rubio doesnt want to play in minnesota

2. minnesota stay taking Ls because like other guy said wouldnt u rather have flynn, derozan, chandler, jefferson imo thats a sick lineup and in 2 years theycan be real **#%$$ good (definitely better than with just rubio). Rubio's stock will drop in 2 years. So unless flynn has a major injruy, i dont see thisworking out

3. minnesota stay taking Ls because of their supposedly new head coach

4. that pic with david kahn and rubio explains it all
 
wasnt that trade just a rumor out of a NY paper tho?

and if money is really the problem whatever it is 8 or 6 millin buy out if he was picked 1st or 29 pick he couldnt pay that buy out . so do you really buy thatits the ONLY hold up?

Minnesota stay taken L's because

1. Rubio and flynn cant pay togther, they both need the ball in there hands to do what they do best

2. you passed on greater needs to draft 2 PG

3. just giving away talent in trades all offseason

4. you do the draft, FA and trading players away with out a HC so your pretty much telling the HC you will have no kind of input on the roster
 
that was when i wasnt clear about the situation and mad that the knicks didnt get rubio. after it became clear to me that its mainly because of his buyout istopped including that in my arguments. lol i didnt know u were gonna dig that deep
 
Originally Posted by Ballinsam23

that was when i wasnt clear about the situation and mad that the knicks didnt get rubio. after it became clear to me that its mainly because of his buyout i stopped including that in my arguments. lol i didnt know u were gonna dig that deep
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understandable but you still said it. I also think it was a dumb move by minny unless they traded him like the other 17 pg they drafted in this draft
 
Originally Posted by JPZx

He's going to get his jersey retired?
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Dude won as many DPY as Mutumbo and was the defensive cornerstone to an underdog Championship team... city of Detroit will retire his jersey forthat. Plus why not play at the Vet Min for a couple years in a city that loves you, Chicago secured his financial future.
 
Jersey retirement for 6 yrs eh?

I mean yeah I guess dudes like Chris Webber got his retired for about a 7-year tenure with the Kings, but Webber is a much better player.
 
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