Next Gen Xbox Reveal Confirmed for May 21

[jking0821]

I like to look at it both ways though. With more internet integration not only will there be more chances to get your stuff hacked there will also be better chances of piracy. Just wait until next gen when everything is just digital sales and there are no actual game discs anymore. There will be a "Napster" of games out there on the internet.

Even now that xbox is making games be downloaded to the hard drive i can't wait for hackers to figure out how to just straight up transfer those files around the firewalls and free games will be as easy as download to usb...upload to xbox one...free games

 

[shoelyesses]

Exactly, one of the big reasons why the Dreamcast failed was because it wasn't supported by EA. I honestly believe if it had Madden, Live, Triple Play, Medal of Honor, etc. Sega would still be in the console business today. Like it or not EA holds WEIGHT in this industry.

you also have ro account that sega took a major loss with every system that was sold.....they banked on the lost taken by selling the system competively, making mony on first party titles, peripherals etc....and then when the hacking/bootleging came out...that pretty much killed it... Not to mentioned a string of failed systems ie...saturn/32x/and to some extent game gear.

 

[prostaffer]

The lack of backwards compatibility guaranteed that this will be the first console that I don't pick up on launch day.

If all my buddies can't get xbox1 that day then what happens? I get the console and I'm playing on-line with nobody I know. The cool thing about 360 was that I could still play some of my old titles while my poor/late buddies eventually got the console. This just means I'll wait for the price drop.

 

[blakep267]

I like to look at it both ways though. With more internet integration not only will there be more chances to get your stuff hacked there will also be better chances of piracy. Just wait until next gen when everything is just digital sales and there are no actual game discs anymore. There will be a "Napster" of games out there on the internet.

Even now that xbox is making games be downloaded to the hard drive i can't wait for hackers to figure out how to just straight up transfer those files around the firewalls and free games will be as easy as download to usb...upload to xbox one...free games

youre not accounting for Microsoft constantly checking while you play games. They are going to pick up the fact that the game you are playing isnt authorized and then ban you from live, or worse ( but probably wont happen) brick your console

 

[cincoseisdos]

I like to look at it both ways though. With more internet integration not only will there be more chances to get your stuff hacked there will also be better chances of piracy. Just wait until next gen when everything is just digital sales and there are no actual game discs anymore. There will be a "Napster" of games out there on the internet.

Even now that xbox is making games be downloaded to the hard drive i can't wait for hackers to figure out how to just straight up transfer those files around the firewalls and free games will be as easy as download to usb...upload to xbox one...free games

You mean like FTP?

 

[jking0821]

I like to look at it both ways though. With more internet integration not only will there be more chances to get your stuff hacked there will also be better chances of piracy. Just wait until next gen when everything is just digital sales and there are no actual game discs anymore. There will be a "Napster" of games out there on the internet.

Even now that xbox is making games be downloaded to the hard drive i can't wait for hackers to figure out how to just straight up transfer those files around the firewalls and free games will be as easy as download to usb...upload to xbox one...free games

youre not accounting for Microsoft constantly checking while you play games. They are going to pick up the fact that the game you are playing isnt authorized and then ban you from live, or worse ( but probably wont happen) brick your console

You are definitely right but where there are walls there are ladders. I am not an xbox person so i know nothing about how LIVE works or how the softmodding thing really functioned. But you are right if XBOX makes you check in online every day or whatever they are saying then even if you are playing offline they can catch you. But hopefully they have a mask for that like they do with free tethering on my jailbroken iphone.

I look forward to the technology and how it will change everything though

 

[dabottom305]

If all my buddies can't get xbox1 that day then what happens? I get the console and I'm playing on-line with nobody I know. The cool thing about 360 was that I could still play some of my old titles while my poor/late buddies eventually got the console. This just means I'll wait for the price drop.

I got a few homeboys who are Xbox fanboys who are waiting to for E3 to determine what they're all going to make the switch to the other system.

 

[putting in work]

I want to see what Steam is coming out with I heard they're entering the console game.

 

[shoelyesses]

youre not accounting for Microsoft constantly checking while you play games. They are going to pick up the fact that the game you are playing isnt authorized and then ban you from live, or worse ( but probably wont happen) brick your console

whats funny this is the same dilema thats going on with the wiiu...thing is they found away to download get games to save/work in a manner like you said...but once online ala updates etc...same problem you mentioned arises.

Ideally for your idea etc... to work they will probably A. make a independent server that is a bootlegged if you will online server that will trick the xbox1 into thinking its connected to the ms online check system server.... or B. do what you said but with the exception of not having the ability to connect the system online.

I think the latter of the 2 is most likely to happen first if they do come up with a hack at all. So then ppl will have to make a choice of laying homebrew etc.... bootlegs etc...from usb/hard drive not to be able to use xbox live and all the other internet needed entertainment system options, Or give in to ms demands.

 

[D Double]

If they back off DRM and online, don't shove Kinect down people's throats and have a great line-up, then yeah it could happen.

Then the only goof left will be the weaker specs, which won't bite them in the *** right away, probably couple years down the line

But they will need to be flawless at E3 and Sony will have to shot themselves in the foot a couple times.

But knowing Sony they do just that, but I still have a feeling MS is selling Wolf tickets when it comes to E3.

Looking at the earlier articles I was wrong with what I said about Sony not being asked right away about always online and used games. They were, a day after their reveal.

Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?

Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.

Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?

Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.

Eurogamer: One of the questions my readers really want an answer to is whether you're going to block the use of second-hand or 'used' games, because it's a huge concern for them.

Shuhei Yoshida: Do you want us to do that?

Eurogamer: No. I think if you buy something on a disc you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on. Do you agree?

Shuhei Yoshida: Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers. They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation.

Eurogamer: So if someone buys a PlayStation 4 game, you're not going to stop them reselling it?

Shuhei Yoshida Aaaah. [Asks PR adviser.] So what was our official answer to our internal question? [Consults adviser.] So, used games can play on PS4. How is that?

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-the-big-interview-sonys-shuhei-yoshida-on-ps4


They confirmed that an internet connection was not required and that has been confirmed by different people at different times and they said they didn't consider it. Here's Michael Denny saying the same thing
http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/03/20/michael-denny/


Yoshida did say it will play used games but it leaves room for interpretation and I can't see any other interviews with the question
That's the only thing that needs to be answered on Sony's side.


As for the patent you were refering too this says it has nothing to do with the PS4.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...gamer-playstation-4-will-not-block-used-games

 

[AEA18]

 

[blackboyfly]

Definitely a place holder. They saw what happened with the PS3 at launch. People don't even like paying 350 for the WiiU, Microsoft isn't stupid, would be surprised to see this thing cost even 500 at base. That said, it would be suicide if they priced this 600 or above. But they won't.

 

[blackboyfly]

Double Post

 

[o0mojorisin0o]

Apparently, there is a used game fee for PS4 as well. Otherwise, it would've sealed the deal for me to get the PS4 as well. This way I'll wait to see what else they show.

This used game fee annoys the hell out of me. Not because I ever really buy used games, but when I buy a console, I don't want any, and I mean ANY type of online requirement, now or in the future. I plan on keeping my consoles from now on and not selling them after the next generation comes along, especially now that there is no backwards compatibility.

But this way, the way I understand it is if the console breaks some time into the future and I have 30 games, I will need to get logged into the network with my account to play the games. And who knows what can happen in the future: My account can get hacked into, there can be a major hack into the entire Xbox Live/PSN and profiles can be deleted. And if Sony and Microsoft go out of the console business like Sega, there might be no Xbox Live/PSN anymore at all. Then what? Then you're stuck with a glorified brick for a console and a bunch of glorified coasters you can use your game discs as. I can't believe that there isn't a bigger uproar from the consumers because of this. I want to be able to play those consoles like you can play a NES or SNES today.

This thing has got me extra frustrated to a point where I would pick up a Wii U if the new Xbox/PS weren't much more powerful and had more games.

Ive read that PS4 hasn't either confirmed or denied used game fee they just said "we will do the right thing" they would be dumb I think to do it because im sure alot of people will go to ps4 because of xbox implementing it.

 

[iYen]

 

[strictlyairjordans23]

Looks like some dork got busy pulling info out of his backside and putting it on a e-flyer.

By the way, iYen, i'm a fan of both consoles, but it really is pathetic how you're taking these "console wars" to heart. You along with all the other fanboys.

These are just video game consoles. 90% of the games will be on both and they will have similar graphics, similar cost, and similar features. "Oh, your favorite console sucks because my favorite console does bla bla bla bla" .......LAME.

 

[iYen]

Looks like some dork got busy pulling info out of his backside and putting it on a e-flyer.

By the way, iYen, i'm a fan of both consoles, but it really is pathetic how you're taking these "console wars" to heart. You along with all the other fanboys.

These are just video game consoles. 90% of the games will be on both and they will have similar graphics, similar cost, and similar features. "Oh, your favorite console sucks because my favorite console does bla bla bla bla" .......LAME.

I posted the pic because I thought that it's interesting.

I'm a fan of both consoles as well.

I'm not a fanboy. Go read its definition before you use that word again.

 

[strictlyairjordans23]

I posted the pic because I thought that it's interesting.
I'm a fan of both consoles as well.
I'm not a fanboy. Go read its definition before you use that word again.

Well, since fanboy is not actually a word and cannot be found in the dictionary, there is really no proper definition. In that case, i can use "fanboy" any way i please.

Just because i've only posted two times doesn't mean that i haven't been keeping up with the thread. You think nobody has noticed all the random videos, statistics, and dorky comments bashing the Xbox you've been posting throughout the thread?

C'mon son, it doesn't take great analytical skills to see that you've been strategically posting in favor of the PS4 and clowning on everything that involves the Xbox.

 

[niketalker23]

I posted the pic because I thought that it's interesting.
I'm a fan of both consoles as well.
I'm not a fanboy. Go read its definition before you use that word again.

Well, since fanboy is not actually a word and cannot be found in the dictionary, there is really no proper definition. In that case, i can use "fanboy" any way i please.

fan·boy noun \ˈfan-ˌbȯi\

Definition of FANBOY

: a boy who is an enthusiastic devotee (as of comics or movies)

Link

 

[iYen]

I posted the pic because I thought that it's interesting.
I'm a fan of both consoles as well.
I'm not a fanboy. Go read its definition before you use that word again.

Well, since fanboy is not actually a word and cannot be found in the dictionary, there is really no proper definition. In that case, i can use "fanboy" any way i please.

Just because i've only posted two times doesn't mean that i haven't been keeping up with the thread. You think nobody has noticed all the random videos, statistics, and dorky comments bashing the Xbox you've been posting throughout the thread?

C'mon son, it doesn't take great analytical skills to see that you've been strategically posting in favor of the PS4 and clowning on everything that involves the Xbox.

 

[D Double]

Most of the facts on the flyer is correct.

The fact about 1 in 2 webcams being hacked is probably right but I don't think it would apply to the kinect.

Here are the two patents they filed.

To increase interactive viewing and encourage a user to watch one or more particular items of video content, awards and achievements may be tied to those items of video content.

'Producers, distributors, and advertisers of the video content may set viewing goals and award a viewer who has reached the goals.

'By providing content viewing goals and awarding the viewer for reaching the goals, the present disclosure provides for an interactive television viewing experience.

'Additionally, by tying the awards and achievements to particular items of video or advertising content, viewers may be encouraged to increase their viewership of the content, thus increasing advertising opportunities.'

Examples given in the application include rewarding users for watching an episode, watching an 'entire series of linear video content', watching 'one or more commercials contained within the linear video content' and rewarding users for 'performing a specific action while watching video content.'

This includes one-off events such as the Super Bowl, or watching series' which could include the Halo TV spin-off announced last week, being shown exclusively on the Xbox One.

It is thought that the plans will be opt-in, and users can additionally search for and actively watch reward shows and adverts, to increase their achievements.

The application doesn't specifically state what platform the plans will relate to.

When asked about the plans, Microsoft told the MailOnline: 'Microsoft regularly applies for and receives patents as part of its business practice; not all patents applied for or received will be incorporated into a Microsoft product.'

It is thought that if the plans are successful they will apply to the new Xbox One console, because of its new TV features.

The latter reference in the application to 'performing a specific action' suggests that the plans will tie in somehow with Microsoft's motion-sensing technology Kinect.

The new Kinect sensor can record eye movements and monitor heart rate.

Under the patent plans, this means Microsoft would potentially be able to record where on the screen your eyes look, and measure how involved you are in a TV show or gauge your response to an advert based on your heart rate changes.

It can also watch you in the dark.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...EVERYTHING-watch-TV--reward-watching-ads.html

ExtremeTech, as we told you yesterday, reports that the patent is for tech that sees Kinect monitoring how many people are in a room at once. If the number exceeds the amount allowed on a game or film’s license, then you the owner of the content, must pay for an extended license.

Below you’ll find an image from the patent, and while it’s an old one, MCV reports that sources have confirmed to the site that this will be implemented in Xbox One.

http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/24/xbox-one-kinect-2s-visual-drm-functions-found-in-patent-file-report/


Some insiders have said Microsoft will be using the patents but they are still just patents so we can't use them as facts.
Sony had a similar type of patent too but no ones taking notice of it because it's a patent, the PS4 camera is not always on and is not required for the console to function.
It's still too early for flyers like that but it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft implement it or it was their plan to do so.

Here's Sony's.
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[jayfiend]

The poster is correct. People just don't want to believe it

All I know is if The Xbox one has a new "Killer Instinct" I'm sold!!!

Imma just grab one after the first shipment of XB1s blow up. So I'll say around feb if they ship this Nov.

 

[concordflightxi]

Even though they say you need to have the Kinect connected to the X1 for it to work, can't you just plug/unplug the Kinect from the X1 when you want to use it? If people are so paranoid about M$ watching you whack off, plugging and unplugging the Kinect would be the next gen On/Off switch.

And I don't understand the more than X amount of people in a room thing. What are they trying to limit here? The number of people that are allowed to play a multiplayer game i.e. COD? I don't even understand what the point of that is? So you can't have a kids bday party and have all these kids around the Kinect because all of the kids need to be licensed users??

 

[iYen]

^supposedly kinnect is required for the system to operate.
I don't care about m$ watching me 24/7. I already know that google is watching me. Kinnect is a gimmick that shouldn't be mandatory.

 

[imstillmike]

they're 100 years ahead of us in technology this aint nothin new

this old stuff they bringing out

but ima still cop for entertainment purposes