NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[HEATHEN]

let's talk andrew luck & the colts, I feel like this kid isn't getting the respect he deserves....


People are on RG3s jockstrap acting like Andrew Luck isn't the best QB prospect since Elway and Manning. People are also underestimating his athleticism, dude ran a 4.59 40 (yes he ran a 4.67 his first attempt) at the combine, same as Cam Newton. His 6'3 235 frame is perfect for the NFL and dude has more football IQ than a lot of veteran QBs in the league.


People just sleeping on the Colts as a whole, the AFC South is up for grabs. The Titans are trash and really Locker is still not in position to supplant Hasselbeck as he is struggling with accuracy issues....

Jake Locker has completed just 9-of-30 passes during the last two practices.
Meanwhile, Matt Hasselbeck has gone 26-for-31 during that span. It's notable because the biggest knock on Locker has always been his accuracy problems. Despite having the arm strength and athleticism edge on Hasselbeck, he won't win the job if he's spraying passes all over the place. The early-camp momentum Locker had appears to have worn off. Aug 3 - 12:08 PM
Source: Nashville Tennessean

While Nate Washington is a solid, steady receiver (really is, people sleep on dude) and the sky's the limit for Kendall Wright there are a ton of question marks in Tennessee.

Will Jared Cook finally live up to his potential?

Will Chris Johnson stay motivated and focused despite playing behind a line that was DEAD LAST in run-blocking last season (ironically they were 2nd in pass-blocking)????

Can Kenny Britt bounce back from multiple knee surgeries? Is he in for a suspension?


There's just too many question marks there. Really as long as that line can't run-block there's gonna be few holes for Chris Johnson to exploit, and for a guy who shy'd away from contact last season I don't believe he'll go out of his way making his own holes. The only reason he even showed up at training camp (for the first time ever in his career btw) is because he would've been docked $250,000 if he didn't (contractual obligation).


The Jags have Blaine Gabbert....Oh and it gets worse, MJD is a hold-out and Blackmon may be facing suspension....

yeah....


So in my eyes it's a 2-horse race between Indy and Houston for that division title. Schaub is coming off of Lis Franc surgery, Andre is coming off of knee surgery and really other than Foster & Tate they don't have any consistency. I do view them as the favorite to win the division but I really believe the Colts have a real chance.


Reggie put up nearly another 1000 yard season last season with the 3 stooges passing the ball (Painter, Orlovsky, Collins) and they added two promising young TEs in Fleener (who could be a star) and Dwayne Allen (also very promising, garnering comparisons to Aaron Hernandez at camp). Austin Collie could actually have a decent season with Luck throwing to him (he was going hard in the paint in 2010 til he got injured, he was becoming Peyton's favorite target that year, he was ballin).

Donald Brown isn't terrible, nothing special but he & rookie Vick Ballard could form a promising RBBC.


I could definitely see the Colts going 4-0 against the Jags and Titans then splitting the season series with Houston. They have a shot (yes I know their defense is atrocious, but I don't think it'll take much to out-duel the other teams in that division)...

Here come the naysayers....

 

[DeadsetAce]

^ people are underestimating the team around luck, not luck

 

[mmg]

let's talk andrew luck & the colts, I feel like this kid isn't getting the respect he deserves....
People are on RG3s jockstrap acting like Andrew Luck isn't the best QB prospect since Elway and Manning. People are also underestimating his athleticism, dude ran a 4.59 40 (yes he ran a 4.67 his first attempt) at the combine, same as Cam Newton. His 6'3 235 frame is perfect for the NFL and dude has more football IQ than a lot of veteran QBs in the league.
People just sleeping on the Colts as a whole, the AFC South is up for grabs.

i was with you up until that point. the AFC is not up for grabs, its the Texans to lose. Cut that nonsense out.

Luck is a rookie QB with a HORRENDOUS team around him

Titans have QBs issues / WR issues and their RB has been

Jags are well the Jags..... a QB doesnt throw well running away from everyone on his back foot.

 

[HEATHEN]

i was with you up until that point. the AFC is not up for grabs, its the Texans to lose. Cut that nonsense out.
Luck is a rookie QB with a HORRENDOUS team around him
Titans have QBs issues / WR issues and their RB has been
Jags are well the Jags..... a QB doesnt throw well running away from everyone on his back foot.

I said AFC South, don't mince my words....

Horrendous in what sense? Fleener (best tight-end in the nation last year) and Allen (garnering comparisons to Aaron He are both rookies and have a ton of potential. Wayne is coming off another solid season despite having 3 terrible QBs throwing to him. Collie was putting up top-5 WR numbers in 2010 until he got hurt. He's healthy now and has a beast named Andrew Luck at the helm. He could very well be one of the premier slot receivers in the league

And yes like I said that defense is terrible, but it won't take much to out-duel the Jags and Titans, I can see them splitting the season series with the Texans.


I mean c'mon dude, you can't refute my stance with that shoddy logic. Give me more substance...You act like the Texans are some sort of powerhouse incumbent, they've always been ***. Schaub and Andre are both coming off major surgery, and they have lil depth in the passing game. Their ONLY bright-side offensively is that backfield. Defense can't carry 'em every year.

Did you even read on after that? You're going to simply refute my stance w/o even looking at my rationale? G.T.F.O.H. with that bruh.


You wanna talk football or you wanna **** around and like Skip and Steven A Smith on first take? If it's the former then you gotta do better than that my dude.

P.S. If you read on, you'd see that I stated that the Texans are indeed the favorite to win, and I think they probably will, but if anyone is a wildcard here, it's the Colts.

 

[HEATHEN]

^ people are underestimating the team around luck, not luck

good point. maybe it is that. it isn't that Luck isn't heralded, just not as heralded as the guy who was selected a pick later.



maybe it's the superman socks.

 

[greenbean]

I hope Golden Tate gives up #81

I cant see TO in any other jersey #

 

[mmg]

I meant to say AFC south.

Its the Texans division to lose.

Our defense hasnt always carried us, in the last 2 seasons its gotten better (esp with Wade last year who propelled us to the top)

our defense used to hurt us, we would count on our offense way too much because our defense would always give up big leads

Matt is hurt every season big deal. Yates got alot of burn last year and helped us late season and into the playoffs.

AJ is getting up there in years, hes still a top 5 WR in the league.

our running game is our strong point now on offense or you didnt see Foster / Tate carving up teams last year? :x

and why cant a strong running game / top 5 defense carry a team? it carried the 13-3 49ers last year to within a fumble of the superbowl? and Matt is hell of a better QB than Alex smith and all the WRs last year combined on that 49ers team couldnt wipe the dirt of AJ,s cleats.

As for the Colts, they are a season off being the worst team in the NFL, not only record wise, but they were ******g terrible, did you watch any colts games? it was hard to watch, defense, offense, special teams, water boys, everything and now you have them pushing to win the division? your buggin. Luck might push that team to 4-5 wins, they have some talented rookies, but thats all.

As for the Titans, when your 40 year old QB is taking the starting job away from your QB of the future something is wrong, pick your poison, either your gonna have old man hassleback getting beat up on or locker with his accuracy issues going up against a top 5 defense in houston. Britt is always hurt, You have a rookie WR, and beyond that there isnt much there. CJ has to have a huge year and with everyone crowing the box i dont see that happening and they lose their best defensive player in Finnigan.

As for the Jags? come on, granted he was rookie QB last year but come on..... he looked terrible at times and it isnt going to be easier, so what does that mean? load up the box and let MJD beat you, which he wont alone, hell get his yards but thats it.


so dont come in here talking about the AFC south when you have no idea whats going on down here, you dont see me typing up nonsense about thee NFC east " RG3 might win the division" .....

 

[rosegoldsluggs]

You act like the Texans are some sort of powerhouse incumbent, they've always been ***. Schaub and Andre are both coming off major surgery, and they have lil depth in the passing game. Their ONLY bright-side offensively is that backfield. Defense can't carry 'em every year.
 

LOL you must not watch any texans game and you are speaking out your *** when you say the only bright side on the offense is the backfield. Yea sure Schaub and Dre are  coming off injuries but they are in elite tandem when healthy. Schaub was playing like a top 5 QB untill he went down against the Bucs with the broke foot. Schaub never gets the credit he is deserved and everyone just looks at him like hes some bum off the street, Hes posted two 4,000 yard seasons and this past season he led us to a 7-3 start before going down, he also threw for 2,400 yards and 15 touchdowns. Schaub is not a scrub and when teamed with DRE they are one of the most feared QB-WR duo in the league.

You can think whatever tho, If these two stay healthy along with the D and Arian,

Hellllooo Super Bowl.

 

[certifiedsw]

^

I can assure you my friend, the Texans will NOT be going to the Super Bowl LMAO

 

[mmg]

I hate this ******g stigma of Matt Schaub, dudes a top 10 QB and gets no respect.

 

[HEATHEN]

[quote name="MMG" url="/t/345476/2012-nfl-discussion-thread-preseason-underway-r-i-p-garrett-reid/600_20#post_16104938"]I meant to say AFC south.
Its the Texans division to lose.
Our defense hasnt always carried us, in the last 2 seasons its gotten better (esp with Wade last year who propelled us to the top)
our defense used to hurt us, we would count on our offense way too much because our defense would always give up big leads
Matt is hurt every season big deal. Yates got alot of burn last year and helped us late season and into the playoffs.
AJ is getting up there in years, hes still a top 5 WR in the league.
our running game is our strong point now on offense or you didnt see Foster / Tate carving up teams last year? :x
and why cant a strong running game / top 5 defense carry a team? it carried the 13-3 49ers last year to within a fumble of the superbowl? and Matt is hell of a better QB than Alex smith and all the WRs last year combined on that 49ers team couldnt wipe the dirt of AJ,s cleats.
As for the Colts, they are a season off being the worst team in the NFL, not only record wise, but they were ******g terrible, did you watch any colts games? it was hard to watch, defense, offense, special teams, water boys, everything and now you have them pushing to win the division? your buggin. Luck might push that team to 4-5 wins, they have some talented rookies, but thats all.
As for the Titans, when your 40 year old QB is taking the starting job away from your QB of the future something is wrong, pick your poison, either your gonna have old man hassleback getting beat up on or locker with his accuracy issues going up against a top 5 defense in houston. Britt is always hurt, You have a rookie WR, and beyond that there isnt much there. CJ has to have a huge year and with everyone crowing the box i dont see that happening and they lose their best defensive player in Finnigan.
As for the Jags? come on, granted he was rookie QB last year but come on..... he looked terrible at times and it isnt going to be easier, so what does that mean? load up the box and let MJD beat you, which he wont alone, hell get his yards but thats it.
so dont come in here talking about the AFC south when you have no idea whats going on down here, you dont see me typing up nonsense about thee NFC east " RG3 might win the division" ..... [/quote]


Okay your rationale is everywhere, why are you bringing up the 49ers and comparing Alex Smith and Schaub? I brought up RG3 because he's being a lot more hyped than Luck and his squad is being given a lot more of a chance to win than the Colts (in a much more difficult division at that).

And again I stated a couple times that the only consistent thing about their offense is their run-game, it's their passing game that is stagnant and lacking in depth. How many times do I have to repeat myself? That's three times already....

Also you agree with me on the points that the Jags and Titans aren't anywhere near the picture, but you speak to me as if I'm endorsing them. HOWEVER you act as if this Colts team isn't overhauled and night and day compared to last years team. It seems like you don't know anything about the AFC south the way you're presenting your points.

Again read my posts or don't bother with your rebuttal. Really don't feel like engaging in a debate with a guy who half-***** his replies. Sorry.

I get it, you're a Texans fan, last year was the first taste of the playoffs, and you're not tryna hear that another team in your division has a legit shot this season. Welp, that's your burden to bare, turn the other cheek if you have to. The Colts are a lot more legitimate than you and most casual observers are giving them credit for.

#kanyeshrug

 

[mmg]

im done, good night.

 

[jpzx]

COMPLETELY Agree.
Hilarious that the 'Hawks are balking at naming Flynn the starter since Russel Wilson has been lighting it up at OTAs.
HILARIOUS.
It's the Kolb situation all over again.

How is that hilarious? What else did you expect to happen? They're not going to give a guy $26 million dollars and then just tell him to take a seat on the bench RIGHT FROM THE GET GO because his backup did better in June walkthroughs.

And your extreme condescending tone when talking to people that disagree with you just makes you look unintelligent. Telling people to learn the game Go back to square 1 and first learn how to have an even-keeled discussion.

 

[mmg]

if the colts win the division ill eat a an andrew luck jersey.


when they dont you get a ******** tattoo on your cheek.

 

[certifiedsw]

COMPLETELY Agree.
Hilarious that the 'Hawks are balking at naming Flynn the starter since Russel Wilson has been lighting it up at OTAs.
HILARIOUS.
It's the Kolb situation all over again.

How is that hilarious? What else did you expect to happen? They're not going to give a guy $26 million dollars and then just tell him to take a seat on the bench RIGHT FROM THE GET GO because his backup did better in June walkthroughs.

And your extreme condescending tone when talking to people that disagree with you just makes you look unintelligent. Telling people to learn the game Go back to square 1 and first learn how to have an even-keeled discussion.

Never thought I'd see the day where I give you a co-sign JPZ but truth to all of this lol dude just sounding foolish now

 

[HEATHEN]

I hate this ******g stigma of Matt Schaub, dudes a top 10 QB and gets no respect.

Ever think it's because he's coming off Lisfranc?

That and his career W/L is 32-34....It's not like his superb QB rating really reflects how impotent he's been at times.


I'd take the following over him.

Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Eli
Romo
Vick
Matt Ryan
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Peyton (he's coming off a neck fusion and I'd still take him over Schaub).
Cam (yep)


Top 10? I lol'd, I was nice and left Cutler off the list though.

 

[HEATHEN]

LOL you must not watch any texans game and you are speaking out your *** when you say the only bright side on the offense is the backfield. Yea sure Schaub and Dre are  coming off injuries but they are in elite tandem when healthy. Schaub was playing like a top 5 QB untill he went down against the Bucs with the broke foot. Schaub never gets the credit he is deserved and everyone just looks at him like hes some bum off the street, Hes posted two 4,000 yard seasons and this past season he led us to a 7-3 start before going down, he also threw for 2,400 yards and 15 touchdowns. Schaub is not a scrub and when teamed with DRE they are one of the most feared QB-WR duo in the league.
You can think whatever tho, If these two stay healthy along with the D and Arian,
Hellllooo Super Bowl.

Big emphasis on when they're healthy. Schaub has a fairly checkered injury history and I don't think you guys are fully appreciating the gravity of a Lisfranc injury, it's not like he's out of the woods just yet. Schaub just recently got the greenlight to practice...

Andre is also excellent, when healthy, dude just came back to practice after missing a week due to a groin pull.

Schaub doesn't get the credit he deserves because despite his excellent QBR he's still a career loser.

 

[mmg]

Ever think it's because he's coming off Lisfranc?
That and his career W/L is 32-34....It's not like his superb QB rating really reflects how impotent he's been at times.
I'd take the following over him.
Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Stafford
Eli
Romo
Vick
Matt Ryan
Rivers
Roethlisberger
Peyton (he's coming off a neck fusion and I'd still take him over Schaub).
Cam (yep)
Top 10? I lol'd, I was nice and left Cutler off the list though.

im done responding for tonight cause your obviously looking for a reaction, go continue to watch ESPN and make your football decisions based off them.

 

[HEATHEN]

How is that hilarious? What else did you expect to happen? They're not going to give a guy $26 million dollars and then just tell him to take a seat on the bench RIGHT FROM THE GET GO because his backup did better in June walkthroughs.
And your extreme condescending tone when talking to people that disagree with you just makes you look unintelligent. Telling people to learn the game Go back to square 1 and first learn how to have an even-keeled discussion.

Sorry, it's hard not to be a bit condescending when people around here can't even read through a post before responding.

I'll be "even-keeled" in discussion when people can do that.

BTW in that particular response, I wasn't being condescending....I was in agreement, sincere agreement. I find it both fitting and hilarious that Flynn is being outgunned a rookie. That's what they get for being overzealous. Kolb/Skelton situation all over again.

 

[HEATHEN]

im done responding for tonight cause your obviously looking for a reaction, go continue to watch ESPN and make your football decisions based off them.

Right, because ESPN is where I get my opinions.

All you're doing is deflecting at this point, you're not doing anything to prove your point. You want to be butthurt? Fine, but I wasn't going to let you simply mince my words and pick and choose what you wanted to get out of my posts.

You shouldn't of even bothered then....You sound like you're taking your ball and going home or something with that post. Stop it, .

 

[hymen man]

I think Texans will easily win that division. Just my 2 cents.

 

[air spider 777]

I think Texans will easily win that division. Just my 2 cents.

My Colts will put up a fight. They will def split the 2 games with us for sure. People keep sleeping on the Colts thinking they are going to go 2-14 again. Will they go 12-4? Hell no but they will def go anywhere from 6-10 to 8-8.

 

[jpzx]

Colts don't have a shot man. Yeah, Fleener was the best TE in college last year, but you know what, just about every player drafted has the luxury of saying they were one of the best players at their position in college. So that doesn't mean anything to me. He could have a brighter future than the other elites at his position just drafted, but as for 2011 and where we're predicting the Colts to finish, he's still just a rookie and this is the NOW.

Luck has all the tools, and I fully expect him to have a better career than RGIII, but there are so many other deficiencies in this Indianapolis team. Their defense was ranked 25th in terms of YPG (rush defense was third worst in the league), and they were last in the league in interceptions so they're just really not a playmaking defense whatsoever. Offensive line was mediocre at best, no elite offensive weapons aside from Reggie Wayne being solid (and he could fall off at any point, he'll be 34 in November).

This division is the Texans and it really isn't close.

 

[rosegoldsluggs]

Colts don't have a shot man. Yeah, Fleener was the best TE in college last year, but you know what, just about every player drafted has the luxury of saying they were one of the best players at their position in college.

So that doesn't mean anything to me. He could have a brighter future than the other elites at his position just drafted, but as for 2011 and where we're predicting the Colts to finish, he's still just a rookie and this is the NOW.
Luck has all the tools, and I fully expect him to have a better career than RGIII, but there are so many other deficiencies in this Indianapolis team. Their defense was ranked 25th in terms of YPG (rush defense was third worst in the league), and they were last in the league in interceptions so they're just really not a playmaking defense whatsoever. Offensive line was mediocre at best, no elite offensive weapons aside from Reggie Wayne being solid (and he could fall off at any point, he'll be 34 in November).
This division is the Texans and it really isn't close.

Thank you for bringing some sanity back into this thread.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

im done responding for tonight cause your obviously looking for a reaction, go continue to watch ESPN and make your football decisions based off them.

Why do people get so emotional when is comes to football?

And what does Matt Schaub do better than Tony Romo or Matt Stafford?

I seriously don't think he is better than either of them in any aspect of Quarterbacking.