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considering Orange and Blue,
Black definitely blends better than gray
Black definitely blends better than gray
NYK '14 offseason thread
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by pr0phecy718,
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Phil, Fisher, and Mills met with Melo on Friday and then reports came out that he is still opting out. As far as the attention level that Phil is giving or not giving Melo, he's pretty much said we're good either way. Phil is not stressing Melo and some think it will backfire because Melo wants his ego stroked. If that is the way Melo feels, **** him.
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Nobody in here knows a damn thing. They're not really reacting to Phil or Melo, just what the media says about them as far as rumors and speculation goes. These papers need to make money in this dying industry. Fans still eat it up for now, especially a fan base for any NY team. Internet and social media has just made it worse. Dudes actually think they know these ppl.
I wouldn't believe or take stock in ANYthing you read, positive or negative. Just wait for the facts.
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Melo aint dumb. He knows the opportunity he has here (financially and career wise)...
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I think a black jersey would be ugly
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As far a PJ saying, "we'll be fine if Melo leaves" doesn't translate into "I don't want Melo here." IMO I keep reading from other posters that he's running Melo out of NY. While Melos decision to test free agency sounds like he wants to leave. nothing from PJ makes me think Phil wants him to, or is trying to make him leave.
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I blame D Wadeu asked for it
Black unis look fire. But we need good black unis. Not some October 31st looking ish.
And I totally agree with whoever said that Phil thinks he's above basketball right now. It's totally true. We might not even get anything for melo. Like, that's the most likely outcome.
And I hate the superstar "teaming up discussion." There's a salary cap in place, there's nothing else that can be done. Get over it. This isn't the first time players have team up. And we need to stop all of the sudden making bosh out to be a guy that average enormous numbers under the big three era. Nobody gives him credit for Anything until we talk about all of the superstars lebron teamed up with.
Real talk: Chuck just salty as hell that he didn't team up and win.
Would anybody here be against a potential Shumpert+Felton(?) for draft picks?
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And lebron wearing a spurs jersey isn't anything, I'm a Knicks fan but I'll still wear other throwback jerseys I.e Rodman.
Almost purchased a Reggie miller but my heart told me otherwise
Almost purchased a Reggie miller but my heart told me otherwise
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Still wouldnt mind S&T with the Bulls for Melo if he wants to go there.
Get the 16 and 19 picks back in return.
Draft Kyle Anderson at #16 (imo a top 5 pick in this draft in the right situation aka running the triangle as point forward like Pippen used to) and Aedrian Payne with #19 who could be a good fit as a triangle 4.
Then we tank next year after we lose Melo and we get a triangle center fit with our draft pick next year like Jahil Okafor. I feel like whenever the Knicks have a pick it is when the team is good and we always lose our picks when they are high draft picks. It would be nice for to once have a shot at the #1 draft pick.
I think the Knicks could be ALOT worse moving forward than with:
PG: Shumpert (would defend point guards on defense and do it better than any other PG in the NBA. Offensively the PG duties would be taken from him in favor of Kyle Anderson as the point forward in the triangle like Phil used to do with the Bulls. Shumpert just needs to improve on his court vision and outside shooting and I think he could fit in as a triangle point guard as ive said on here before. Its alot easier for him to adjust to point guard in that kind of role than in Woody's offense where the point guard is counted on to run pick and rolls constantly and create the offensive flow for the rest of the team and serve as the primary facilitator.
SG: Hardaway Jr. (Definitely has some areas to work on, especially defensively. But if the team believes in him and lets him develop he has the potential to be a very good 2 guard in the NBA and is similar enough physically to what Phil had in MJ/Kobe. Obviously I dont expect Tim to ever get to that level but if he can give us half that while being similar enough in stature and athletic ability we should be fine. I think he could really turn into a tremendous 3 point shooter, better than a young Kobe or MJ).
SF- Kyle Anderson (Like ive said I think he is one of the most underrated players in this draft. It is just that it is his same unique skill set that IMO can turn him in to a star that also gives him high bust potential if he goes to a team that doesnt know how to utilize him properly. I believe that Phil/Fisher would get the most out of Kyle in the triangle and I would want the Knicks to draft him more than almost any player in this entire draft, but ive been a fan of his for years having known him from the area. Anyway I think Kyle would flourish as the Knicks primary facilitator for years to come. He is not overly athletic, but his athleticism is still underrated because he plays so under control people think he is slow. However, the triangle doesnt call for a great fast break offense and Kyle does his best work as a facilitator in the half court which is why I think he would be a great fit here and could potentially turn into this teams most valuable player if developed properly)
PF: Aedrian Payne (Physically ready and mature enough game to contribute right away and become a VERY solid role player in the NBA. Kind of like a Horace Grant with his toughness and also has some Robert Horry because of his outside shooting ability. I would like the way he would fit with this team offensively and also be a defensive presence inside.)
C: Jahil Okafor (Would probably be expected to be the team's franchise player and rightfully so as he will be a top 3 draft pick next year. I dont know that much about him yet as I expect to find out more from watching him next year at Duke but he is a smart player with tons of potential. He also has a great post game/intangibles which Phil has liked as a fit in his triangle compared to players with Tyson Chandler's game)
I know this entire scenario is a little bit of a pipe dream but instead of keeping Melo (which like ive said im not opposed for) we would have this team instead. A super young team with talent at every position that could grow together and build under a young and hungry head coach. I believe that this group of players could all coexist together and become a threat in the future. We would also have no problem resigning them all if we draft them all because of Dolan's deep pockets.
If a team with as much money as the Knicks built a roster like this, one similar to OKC or San Antonio, it would almost be unfair because we would actually be able to keep/pay everyone. Like I said, this team is a pipe dream and Melo may be the Knicks best chance to win now, but before Phil got here I wanted the Knicks to blow things up and rebuild through the draft and there is alot of potential to build something special if we do so.
If we choose to go that route Phil and Fisher have a chance to use the young players already on our roster and pair them with young players and draft picks they can personally mold the way they want to as NBA players. I think that starting 5 could be a championship contender 5 years down the road if the players develop the way I think each of them can.
Not to mention we would also have loads of cap space to add a quality bench or a starter or 2 if one of the 5 players I mention dont pan out and we already will still have young players like Jememy Tyler, Toure Murray, and maybe even JR if he can get his act together to come off the bench.
I dont know its just an opinion/a possible different direction. Regardless, I think it is important to not lose Melo without recieving some value in return. And most of all I think it is extremely important that IF we do lose Melo to someone else we blow it all up and build through the draft like I said. Aint no point in losing Melo and still trying to sign an all star free agent or 2 next summer that could put us back in the playoff race potentially, but not have any potential to win more. Only way we are building a champion through free agency is if Melo stays and takes a pay cut. I know im beating a dead horse but unless that happens we gotta move the **** forward.
The Spurs should serve as a wake up call in building rosters. As a team starting a new era, with a great basketball mind like Phil Jackson in charge, we should take a page for once.
Sorry for the rant, as always. I swear its not like I think im gonna go off like this every time I post. I just start typing and get carried away in my own thoughts. If you do not want to read it all than dont
Get the 16 and 19 picks back in return.
Draft Kyle Anderson at #16 (imo a top 5 pick in this draft in the right situation aka running the triangle as point forward like Pippen used to) and Aedrian Payne with #19 who could be a good fit as a triangle 4.
Then we tank next year after we lose Melo and we get a triangle center fit with our draft pick next year like Jahil Okafor. I feel like whenever the Knicks have a pick it is when the team is good and we always lose our picks when they are high draft picks. It would be nice for to once have a shot at the #1 draft pick.
I think the Knicks could be ALOT worse moving forward than with:
PG: Shumpert (would defend point guards on defense and do it better than any other PG in the NBA. Offensively the PG duties would be taken from him in favor of Kyle Anderson as the point forward in the triangle like Phil used to do with the Bulls. Shumpert just needs to improve on his court vision and outside shooting and I think he could fit in as a triangle point guard as ive said on here before. Its alot easier for him to adjust to point guard in that kind of role than in Woody's offense where the point guard is counted on to run pick and rolls constantly and create the offensive flow for the rest of the team and serve as the primary facilitator.
SG: Hardaway Jr. (Definitely has some areas to work on, especially defensively. But if the team believes in him and lets him develop he has the potential to be a very good 2 guard in the NBA and is similar enough physically to what Phil had in MJ/Kobe. Obviously I dont expect Tim to ever get to that level but if he can give us half that while being similar enough in stature and athletic ability we should be fine. I think he could really turn into a tremendous 3 point shooter, better than a young Kobe or MJ).
SF- Kyle Anderson (Like ive said I think he is one of the most underrated players in this draft. It is just that it is his same unique skill set that IMO can turn him in to a star that also gives him high bust potential if he goes to a team that doesnt know how to utilize him properly. I believe that Phil/Fisher would get the most out of Kyle in the triangle and I would want the Knicks to draft him more than almost any player in this entire draft, but ive been a fan of his for years having known him from the area. Anyway I think Kyle would flourish as the Knicks primary facilitator for years to come. He is not overly athletic, but his athleticism is still underrated because he plays so under control people think he is slow. However, the triangle doesnt call for a great fast break offense and Kyle does his best work as a facilitator in the half court which is why I think he would be a great fit here and could potentially turn into this teams most valuable player if developed properly)
PF: Aedrian Payne (Physically ready and mature enough game to contribute right away and become a VERY solid role player in the NBA. Kind of like a Horace Grant with his toughness and also has some Robert Horry because of his outside shooting ability. I would like the way he would fit with this team offensively and also be a defensive presence inside.)
C: Jahil Okafor (Would probably be expected to be the team's franchise player and rightfully so as he will be a top 3 draft pick next year. I dont know that much about him yet as I expect to find out more from watching him next year at Duke but he is a smart player with tons of potential. He also has a great post game/intangibles which Phil has liked as a fit in his triangle compared to players with Tyson Chandler's game)
I know this entire scenario is a little bit of a pipe dream but instead of keeping Melo (which like ive said im not opposed for) we would have this team instead. A super young team with talent at every position that could grow together and build under a young and hungry head coach. I believe that this group of players could all coexist together and become a threat in the future. We would also have no problem resigning them all if we draft them all because of Dolan's deep pockets.
If a team with as much money as the Knicks built a roster like this, one similar to OKC or San Antonio, it would almost be unfair because we would actually be able to keep/pay everyone. Like I said, this team is a pipe dream and Melo may be the Knicks best chance to win now, but before Phil got here I wanted the Knicks to blow things up and rebuild through the draft and there is alot of potential to build something special if we do so.
If we choose to go that route Phil and Fisher have a chance to use the young players already on our roster and pair them with young players and draft picks they can personally mold the way they want to as NBA players. I think that starting 5 could be a championship contender 5 years down the road if the players develop the way I think each of them can.
Not to mention we would also have loads of cap space to add a quality bench or a starter or 2 if one of the 5 players I mention dont pan out and we already will still have young players like Jememy Tyler, Toure Murray, and maybe even JR if he can get his act together to come off the bench.
I dont know its just an opinion/a possible different direction. Regardless, I think it is important to not lose Melo without recieving some value in return. And most of all I think it is extremely important that IF we do lose Melo to someone else we blow it all up and build through the draft like I said. Aint no point in losing Melo and still trying to sign an all star free agent or 2 next summer that could put us back in the playoff race potentially, but not have any potential to win more. Only way we are building a champion through free agency is if Melo stays and takes a pay cut. I know im beating a dead horse but unless that happens we gotta move the **** forward.
The Spurs should serve as a wake up call in building rosters. As a team starting a new era, with a great basketball mind like Phil Jackson in charge, we should take a page for once.
Sorry for the rant, as always. I swear its not like I think im gonna go off like this every time I post. I just start typing and get carried away in my own thoughts. If you do not want to read it all than dont
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There's isnt a go2 option on that team GR8. And I dont trust any of the wings.
Shump at PG has fail written all over it. I think its time to make him focus on his strengths instead of his weaknesses. We need to stop trying to turn him into something he is not and instead try to work on his strengths (defense and maybe the open 3).
Shump at PG has fail written all over it. I think its time to make him focus on his strengths instead of his weaknesses. We need to stop trying to turn him into something he is not and instead try to work on his strengths (defense and maybe the open 3).
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The possibility of Melo going to Houston to play just cracks me up from a basketball point of view. 
I wish we traded Melo before the deadline, I was hoping for it but we sort of lost our chance. I really could care less if he leaves anyways (as long as its not the Heat) but I got a feeling he's not leaving. I don't think Melo is that obsessed with winning like LeBron James is and I don't think he'll gamble his future earnings going to Houston or Chicago.
Basically I think Melo likes his money, so I guess many of you will be happy.
I just hope this franchise was or can be good at picking up Euro talent, just watching the Spurs play puts American "superstar" basketball to shame.
I wish we traded Melo before the deadline, I was hoping for it but we sort of lost our chance. I really could care less if he leaves anyways (as long as its not the Heat) but I got a feeling he's not leaving. I don't think Melo is that obsessed with winning like LeBron James is and I don't think he'll gamble his future earnings going to Houston or Chicago.
Basically I think Melo likes his money, so I guess many of you will be happy.
I just hope this franchise was or can be good at picking up Euro talent, just watching the Spurs play puts American "superstar" basketball to shame.
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Melo not going to Houston
Not enough shots on that team
Not enough shots on that team
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I'm over Shump. He's Bruce Bowen status until he decides to prove me otherwise.
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I agree with you and because I agree with you I somewhat disagree with you. I agree that Shump needs to focus on hitting the open 3 and becoming a lock down defensive presence. But at the same time in the triangle offense, with a facilitator at forward especially, working on those 2 things could be enough to turn Shumpert into a point guard. Also playing Shump at point would make him that much more valuable defensively.
Phil Jackson has typically favored bigger point guards so they could make more of an impact defensively, which has Shump written all over it and Phil and Fisher have both publicly stated that they see Shumpert in this teams long term plans. Also as ive said before the triangle offense turns your point guard into a role player compared to other NBA offenses that put so much emphasis on the point guard. I dont know, like I said I agree with you Shump will never be a traditional point guard, but he could be a good fit in the untraditional triangle offense imo.
And regardless or not if you like that team I put out and I think that it could develop into something great personally. I was just trying to once again make the point that it wouldnt be the worst thing to trade Melo for 2 firsts from Chicago this year, tank and get a top 5 pick next year, and start this thing from scratch.
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THIS
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Just thought about this....Chuck saying dudes are punks for doing this, meanwhile he took his *** to Houston and played with Pippen and Olajuwon and didn't win anything.
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Chuck played with Drexler in houston too
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Exactly. This is why I don't take some of these NBA legends seriously. Not to mention most of these guys played for front offices that understood that THEY NEEDED HELP. They brought them those HOFs that they didn't have to recruit. You would think they would give a player props for taking control of their career instead of letting those around them do it for them.
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Chuck is one of my top 3 fav players ever, but yeah, I think he was a bit too hard on Lebron. He def was ring chasing when he went to Houston. The thing is this, to win, you've always needed to have at least two stars on the team. There's no two ways about it. I'm sick of people still complaining about what Lebron did. He had bum *** teams on Cleveland and a blind man could see that they weren't going to win anything if he stayed, it was painfully obvious. I don't get why they keep saying he should have stayed to build anything. He was there for six years and management gave him no help. What was he to do? Now he's labeled as a ring chaser, which is unfair imo. What Lebron did wasn't that different than what teams did before.
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But bruce was more consistent.
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^ EXACTLY... bruce did more than shump ever will which is hit 3 pointers and play consistent defense... the only difference with shump is that hes more athletic which doesnt mean anything because he never gets to the line or goes to the rim
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11 out of 7 times shump will lose the ball and the way to the rim. he has so much potential, but as my HS basketball coach used to say, "potential means you aint **** yet."
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dream world:
trade Melo to the Cavs for the #1 pick, let Phil cook, sign all the quality vets left in the league chasing a ring and willing to take a pay cut
trade Melo to the Cavs for the #1 pick, let Phil cook, sign all the quality vets left in the league chasing a ring and willing to take a pay cut
