**Official '11 NYK LOCKOUT thread*** lockout over

Maybe I'm sleeping on Darius Morris, but I don't really see him going at that spot in the draft. Later in the first round sure, but I don't think I'd use our pick on him. He has playmaking ability, but I'd also like someone who can consistently stretch the floor if they have to play off Melo and Amare, if we go PG instead of PF/C.
 
The Knicks should take Marshon brooks and he is 6'5 has a long wingspan. Knicks need someone off the bench that is a scorer like him at his days at providence
 
Originally Posted by streethoopkilla

The Knicks should take Marshon brooks and he is 6'5 has a long wingspan. Knicks need someone off the bench that is a scorer like him at his days at providence
we could potentially use a scoring wing off the bench i will admit. but with landry starting (and he still will and should despite his last 1/4 of the season) and with guys like TD, Shawne, plus the MLE where a guy like that is a dime a dozen i think that a defensive big or a potential starting PG is much more of a necessity. With only one draft pick i feel like we have to adress one of those 2 spots with #17.
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True but who would you take? Selby is a shoot first PG and idk how that would mix with Melo and Stat taking up all the spots. And i feel as if the defensive big in the draft are a bit undersized
 
Whoever we get as a pg Selby or other wise is gonna have a lot more practices and games with the team to be productive so I'm not worried about our past problems of being stagnant.

No way Melo and STAT let those problems from the 2nd half of the season continue to fester in to next season. When we lose games I expect it to be because of defense and off nights especially by Nov. on. Not cuz we didn't put the effort in or because of bad offensive sets and stagnant play.
 
Selby and Melo are close...just saying
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Ok let me first say I am not a fan of European big men at all, with the exception of gallo and dirk and i dont even consider them "big men" on NBA standards. Although, this dude here I am absolutely in love with his game, and he'll probably picked top 10 but still......
 
Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Watch him be an all-star now word to Jay Bilas calling Josh Smith the biggest bust in NBA history.

Word right

I like dude he's 6 4' and a PURE PG if he learns to shoot he can be a problem
 
Brooks is BY FAR the best looking player at the combine dudes game is just too smooth. He reminds me alot of young Kobe obviously he's not gonna be anywhere near as good but he's talented as hell and will score at the next level
 
Originally Posted by KING x RIECE

Originally Posted by JohnnyRedStorm

Watch him be an all-star now word to Jay Bilas calling Josh Smith the biggest bust in NBA history.

Word right

I like dude he's 6 4' and a PURE PG if he learns to shoot he can be a problem
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and if he played here hed have that supporting cast as well. wouldnt even need to shoot, word to Rondo and IMO D-Morris shot is much better looking than Rondos but hes not nearly as athletic though, but than again Mark Jackson was similar to that coming in the NBA
 
Apparently - Marshon Brooks likes to call himself....Marshon Brooks

Marshon Brooks apparently rubbed some people the wrong way by talking about himself in the 3rd person the entire interview. -@DraftExpress


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this guy better be the goods
 
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NBA Free Agency: Killing the Myths About the N.Y. Knicks' 2012 Cap Space

One of the most prevalent questions about the upcoming mega-class of 2012 free agents has been, "Which one of the superstars will the New York Knicks land? Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Dwight Howard?"






Problem is, it's all but a pipedream at this point.




Barring a Hanukkah-esque miracle with the new CBA, or a sign-and-trade pulled from thin air, the Knicks won't be landing any of the megastars in 2012. You can thank Knicks owner James Dolan for that.




Let's examine a few simple truths about the Knicks' 2012 free agency prospects, with one very large caveat (who knows what's going to happen with the new CBA?):




• In 2012-13, the Knicks have $19.45 million devoted to Carmelo Anthony and $19.95 million devoted to Amar'e Stoudemire, according to HoopsHype. That jumps to roughly $21.5 million for Anthony and $21.7 million for Stoudemire in 2013-14.




• The Knicks currently only have three players signed through 2012-13: Anthony, Stoudemire, and the $1.675 million contract of Renaldo Balkman. (They have a $2 million team option on Toney Douglas, too.) Those three players alone (not including Douglas) will suck up $41,073,799 of the Knicks' cap space in 2012-13.




• The NBA's current salary cap for the 2010-11 season is $58 million.




The owners are well on record at this point as wanting to slash $750 million worth of player salaries in the next CBA—a proposal that will do no favors to the current salary cap structure. In fact, the owners' most recent CBA offer reportedly involves a $45 million "hard" cap (opposed to the NBA's current "soft" cap), according to Sports Business Journal.




Currently, all NBA teams must spend at least 75 percent of the amount of the salary cap, but an escrow known as the luxury tax punishes teams who exceed the salary cap by over a certain amount of money. (In 2010-11, the luxury cap limit was set at $70.3 million.)




In the current system, teams over the luxury tax limit pay a dollar-for-dollar tax for the amount on the roster exceeding the luxury tax limit. That tax is distributed amongst all the teams who don't exceed the cap. One could argue that small market teams without Mark Cuban's bankroll benefit from such a revenue-sharing concept.




Instead, the NBA's newest proposal says teams may not exceed the $45 million cap for any reason. It also seeks to reduce the owners' liability in guaranteed contracts and aims to reduce the length and value of maximum free agent contracts.




One can only assume that current salary rollbacks would accompany such a proposal; otherwise, it's hard to figure how a team like the L.A. Lakers (current payroll: $91.65 million) will survive without a massive contract firesale.




How does all of this CBA talk relate to the Knicks? Well, let's first refute the most common refrain from Knicks 2012ers: "Chauncey Billups' $14 million contract expires in 2012 and frees up that cap space for us!"




Yes and no.







Barring a miracle, these two won't both be in a New York uniform after the summer of 2012. 

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Yes, Billups' contract expires after the 2011-12 season (assuming there is a 2011-12 season). No, the Knicks can't use that $14 million worth of cap space to sign another max free agent like CP3, D-Will or Howard without pulling an absolute heist of a trade, either during next season or in the summer of 2012.




Under the current CBA, teams can't exceed the soft cap of $58 million to sign a free agent without using certain exceptions. Because the Knicks have $41 million committed to only three players in the summer of 2012, the Knicks will have a roster charge worth the minimum rookie's salary ($473,604 in 2010-11) for every player below 12 that they have on the roster. (Credit to Larry $#*#'s incomparable Salary Cap FAQ for all the links in this graf.)




Long story short, assuming the CBA rules stay largely the same and the salary cap remained at $58 million, the Knicks would have approximately $12.75 million worth of cap space for free agents if they renounce every player besides Anthony, Stoudemire and Balkman.




If the Knicks were to land Paul, Howard or Williams through free agency, they'd be relying on those players taking a massive pay cut (especially comparable to Anthony and Stoudemire's salary), and would be forced to fill out the rest of their roster with nothing but minimum-contract players.




Given that the Knicks can't rely on nine minimum contract rotation players, in all reality, they'd have about $10 million to offer to one of the superstars—an offer other teams (see: the Clippers and Nets) will assuredly be able to trump.




As the Miami Heat proved last night, a Big Three alone can't net you an NBA championship—you need role players (Udonis Haslem) to step up at some point on your championship journey. You're not getting those types of role players with minimum contracts; you're getting a 39-year-old Shaq or Zydrunas Ilgauskas putting up DNPs in the most important games of your season.




Will the Knicks find a way to sign CP3, D-Will, or Howard?




Yes.

No.

Too early to tell -- we need to know the terms of the new CBA first.

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Why can't the Knicks just trade Billups' $14 million contract for one of the superstars in the 2012 class next season? Well, beyond Billups' expiring contract, the Knicks have virtually no desirable assets available to be traded, largely thanks to the Anthony trade. They have Landry Fields, the No. 17 pick in this upcoming (somewhat crappy) draft, and... Bill Walker? They're scraping the cupboards here already.




Better yet, the Knicks traded their 2012 first-round pick to Houston in the Tracy McGrady deal (top-5 protected), and sent their 2014 first-round draft pick for Anthony. Because teams are prohibited from trading their own picks in consecutive years, the Knicks don't have a first-round pick of their own available to trade until at least 2016.




If the Knicks wait until free agency opens in the summer of 2012, they'd essentially be relying on a sign-and-trade structured around Billups, Fields and a 2016 first-round draft pick in exchange for one of the three superstars.




The current CBA also restricts teams over the salary cap from receiving more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they're trading away. Seeing as the Magic will almost assuredly attempt to package Gilbert Arenas' toxic contract with Howard if they relent and trade him, the Knicks simply won't have the cap space to absorb Arenas' deal without trading Anthony or Stoudemire.




A Billups + Fields + first-round pick for Paul or Williams deal technically works under the current cap structure, but wouldn't the Nets or Hornets hope to fetch a bit more for their superstars?







Is a 34-year-old Billups enough to be the base of a deal for Paul, Williams or Howard? 

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The death blow to the Paul-Williams-Howard dream came when the Knicks extended Anthony under the current CBA conditions, allowing his salary to balloon to over $20 million/year by the end of his contract.




The Miami Heat's Big Three worked so well because they each left approximately $20 million on the bargaining table for the greater good. The Knicks' two superstars signed for the absolute maximum, severely restricting their ability to offer a massive contract to a third superstar.




This hasn't stopped a chorus of Knicks writers from already hinting at an impending Big Three era in the Big Apple. Johnette Howard of ESPN recently wrote that the Knicks had "salary cap room to work with another player."




Immediately following the Anthony trade, ESPN New York's Ian O'Connor wrote, "The Knicks have believed all along that the vision Chris Paul laid out during his infamous toast at Anthony's summertime wedding would indeed come to be, and now they are two-thirds of the way home. The new and not-so-improved salary-cap number could complicate matters to the nth degree, but the Knicks still believe they can find a way to secure Paul…"




Wait… the Knicks' long-term franchise plan stemmed from a wedding toast? Guess James Dolan hasn't seen The Hangover yet.




ESPN's John Hollinger seems to be the rare ESPN writer who can keep a level head about the Knicks' cap situation, as his grades of the Anthony deal mentioned that Melo's contract "likely precludes [the Knicks from] making a run at Paul, (Howard) or Williams."




And unless the league hammers out a new CBA that unexpectedly favors the players and boosts the salary cap, Hollinger couldn't be more right on about the Knicks' cap situation for the free agent class of 2012.

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http://bleacherreport.com...ny-knicks-2012-cap-space
Basically what that article is saying (link above or bottom of the last page) is that we have no shot in getting Chris Paul, Dwight Howard, or Deron Williams. The new CBA will potentially be lower then what it already is and Melo & Stoudemire are literally going to be making $20 million dollars a year. Yes we can trade for them but with our current assets (they suck) the Magic & Hornets would literally laugh in our faces. 

What about re-structuring Melo & Stat's Contract? 

That's not happening because contracts cannot be restructured until the 3rd year. 
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My reaction to this is one of "furious anger" (Samuel L Jackson). What Melo did to the future progress and potential of the Knicks will make it nearly impossible to land another star free agent. We got rid of so many of our assets. I understand Melo wanted the money but seriously? He couldn't have waited till this summer and get paid $15 million a season? Melo really disappointed me. His decision will affect us for a long time. Not to mention after this year we won't have a first-round pick until 2016. 

Many of you applaud Donnie Walsh, well I don't; yes I know much of it has to do with Dolan but he can suck it too. I'm getting 2004 Knick Deja-vu, our front office decisions will haunt us for another 7 years. Be honest Knick fans, Melo and Stat are great players but they do not compliment each other very well. Stat wants to come off pick-rolls all game and speed the pace up whle Melo wants to hold on to the ball for 14 seconds before he forces a shot. This team will not work, let's not even begin to start talking about there unpassionate performances and horrible display of defense.  I'm sorry but I'm a Knick fan first, I don't regard any player before my organization, our best shot right now is to trade one of these players for C.Paul or Dwight Howard. I preferably want D12 more because dominating big men only come by once every ten years. 

Our organization continues to embarrass us, I'm not happy.

* Here is another article that talks about how we would be able to land Howard, click on slideshows to look at the potential deals.

http://bleacherreport.com...up-to-land-dwight-howard
 
bleacherreport isn't a credible site

there isn't a person on the earth that knows what the CBA is going to look like. Even though I agree that Melo most likely screwed us very badly, we should wait until it actually happens to complain

But yeah I'm not to optimistic about the future. we will be relevant but won't win the championship. Watch the bulls/heat series and explain to me how this team would ever get by either with the trash defense we play. We will also lose out on cheap free agents to miami for years to come.

If we do get screwed I would blame Melo much more than Walsh and even Dolan.
 
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ok ok, gave JRS another option, to keep his computer pure.
And yeah, you can take Bleacher Report as serious as dipsetgeneral in NT Music...or just about anything.
 
Damn how old and banged up is Chauncey for him to be getting another MRI on his knee since he got his injury a month agao
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I already knew we couldn't sign any of the 3 in FA. I've deluded myself in to thinking we'll totally screw over NO for Paul
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Doubt we're dealing with the Nets and the Magic are a respectable organization that the league needs to bounce back after losing Howard and we don't offer any help.
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

bleacherreport isn't a credible site

there isn't a person on the earth that knows what the CBA is going to look like. Even though I agree that Melo most likely screwed us very badly, we should wait until it actually happens to complain

But yeah I'm not to optimistic about the future. we will be relevant but won't win the championship. Watch the bulls/heat series and explain to me how this team would ever get by either with the trash defense we play. We will also lose out on cheap free agents to miami for years to come.

If we do get screwed I would blame Melo much more than Walsh and even Dolan.
Your right about Bleacher report but honestly what they have said isn't too far from the truth. The CBA I believe will benefit the owners not the players so thats not going to help us much. Melo should be the blame right now but Walsh/Dolan pulled the trigger.
 
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