**Official '11 NYK LOCKOUT thread*** lockout over

i'm excited to see this dude Iman play. Doubt he takes Fields job as starting SG right away since he's not a good shooter yet, but i hope i'm wrong. If only there was a way to get sessions without trading Douglas.....
 
harrellson is gonna be good for the knicks

def see him putting on weight and punking dudes

reminds me of laimbeer a little
 
Analyzing the NBA Combine Athletic Testing Results
May 26, 2011
Iman Shumpert stole the show at the combine, looking like clearly the most physically gifted player in this entire draft class. To start things off, his 36.5' standing vertical leap was the highest since Nick Young posted the top mark in our entire historical database (39.5') back in 2007.
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I like these picks, but what a boring draft. Good thing Charles wasn't there or he woulda roasted 1-60.

Melo's a punk, too.
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Originally Posted by YEEUPP

So Shumpert should be lethal on the fast breaks.. correct ?

I would think so..His stand still vert is 36.5" but his vert off the run is supposedly about 40"...Dude definitely can get up and finish on the break.


We may not have gotten an All-Star talent but considering this was called one of the weakest draft classes in recent years, getting a player like Iman at 17 isn't bad at all..If we picked 8th or something then that's a different story..But for a 17th pick in a
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And side note, I think the reason people didn't like this pick was because of those idiotic mock drafts where they said it's possible for Kemba to drop to 17 so everyone got hyped and when we got Iman instead everyone had a
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reaction. It's just like the 2010 free agency class..We got Stoudemire, who was ten times better than our best player at the time, but still were salty bc we had our expectations on getting Lebron
 
I think you guys are being too harsh on Melo. You don't know what he meant. He said he was waiting for who we picked and then said goodnight. Althought, he shouldn't welcome Shuepert
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Honestly it doesn't really matter what he meant. Yall getting on him cuz he wanted a friend to be drafted and that he ranks Selby's value rather highly. Like he can't be mad the Knicks didn't draft him or that his boy's stock dropped a great deal.

Acting like he said or did anything reckless.
 
Is anyone else disappointed that we didn't draft Morshan Brooks? Shuepert sounds nice and all, but Brooks is a scorer and we should've drafted him.
 
i was surprised that we picked shumpert,
didnt hear his name throughout the draft talks and i didnt even know him....

but i did google/youtube him, and he looks pretty good
im glad we got him actually....

just found out that we got harrellson too,
pretty excited about that, even though i hated him throughout the tourney
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and anyone else caught stern re-reading the paper when he said our pick?
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and
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at selby going at 49

and since flynn got traded to houston,
flynn + c. lee for T.D. + fields??
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I say we keep Fields for now and see what the rest of our roster looks like. We won't know how Harrellson and Iman will pan out to be. Flynn is just an undersized PG at this point and he doesn't play much defense. At least Toney plays some sort of defense out there.

Right now out lineup looks like this.

PG-Billups/Douglas/Anthony Carter (he might not be back)
SG-Fields/Iman/Derrick Brown (he might not be back either)
SF-Carmelo/Shawn Williams/Balkman
PF-Amare/Harrellson
C-Turiaf

I'd still like for us to sign another big. What do you think the asking price for Oden will be?
 
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I'm liking the picks, I can't not have faith after all the bashing we gave Fields and he turned out to be a baller. Just gonna wait and see but whats there not to be optimistic about? I have a good feeling about the upcoming season.


sidenote: I'm sure it was discussed earlier when the Iman pick was announced, but that fat kid shaking his head had me dying. What a clown burger.
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[h2]Knicks need pieces to help Melo, Amare[/h2][h3]Significant progress was made this season, but more is needed to make a title run[/h3]
By Jared Zwerling
Special to ESPNNewYork.com


To be fair to head coach Mike D'Antoni, after the New York Knicks made a blockbuster three-team trade on Feb. 21 to acquire Carmelo Anthony, he had only about 25 regular-season games to engineer a system with seven new players, some of whom were signed separately from the deal (in all: Melo, Chauncey Billups, Anthony Carter, Renaldo Balkman, Jared Jeffries, Shelden Williams and Derrick Brown). With that said, looking ahead long-term, the Knicks need some pieces to surround Anthony and Amare Stoudemire to be considered title contenders. Here are the four biggest ones:
[h2]1. A LEGIT SCORING STARTING CENTER[/h2]
First of all, before you bash Jeffries -- something that nearly every Knicks fan has done since the season ended -- consider this: The numbers prove he was actually effective on the floor, especially while playing alongside Stoudemire, albeit in only about 250 minutes of action. On an individual basis, Jeffries was plus-87 points (in comparison, Ronny Turiaf was minus-11 and Williams was minus-29), and ranking the Knicks' 4-5 combos, Jeffries-Stoudemire was the best at plus-62. In comparison to Turiaf, who started most of the time at center, when Jeffries was on the court, the team played more efficiently and Stoudemire shot at a higher percentage. Take a look:

[table][tr][th=""]Player[/th][th=""]Team Offensive Rating[/th][th=""]Team Defensive Rating[/th][th=""]Net [/th][th=""]Stoudemire FG%[/th][/tr][tr][td]Jeffries[/td][td]122.2[/td][td]108.2[/td][td]14.0[/td][td]50 %[/td][/tr][tr][td]Turiaf[/td][td]108.4[/td][td]107.1[/td][td]1.3[/td][td]44 %[/td][/tr][/table]

But even with Jeffries' ability to space the floor, defend and take charges, the Knicks were missing something big: interior scoring. The Knicks ranked 18th in points in the paint and 20th in second-chance points this past season. This is not to say they need Howard to fix their problems, but they need at least a B-tier center who not only has some Jeffries in him but also can post up and go to work as well as rebound. The Knicks ranked 20th-worst in the league, averaging 40.5 boards.

Realistic available free-agent centers: Kwame Brown (unrestricted), Samuel Dalembert (unrestricted), Reggie Evans (unrestricted), Chuck Hayes (unrestricted), Ryan Hollins (unrestricted with a player option) and Chris Wilcox (unrestricted).

Scout's take: "They definitely could use a big, physical guy. Centers are not easy to get, though, so I'm not going to dwell on that. Look at Miami with Joel Anthony, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Erick Dampier and Jamaal Magloire. Unless there's cap space or something otherwise, that's not an easy thing to go get. Point guards and centers are the two toughest things to get, and that's why if you can get good ones, it's so much more valuable than a good 2 or a good 3. It's easier to put a serviceable 3 or 4 with Chris Paul or with Dwight Howard than it is to put a serviceable 5 or 1 with LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Miami, though, has such a talented 2 and 3 that they make up for a lot of that obviously."
[h2]2. A TRUE BACKUP POINT GUARD[/h2]
D'Antoni needs to stop forcing the issue: Toney Douglas is an undersized shooting guard like the Mavericks' Jason Terry. He is not a point guard. Case in point: After the All-Star break, Douglas led the league in 3-pointers made (68). When Douglas took over starting at the 1 in place of the injured Billups in the first round of the playoffs against the Celtics, his distributing flaws showed, and the Knicks' offense struggled to generate offense. When he brought the ball up the court in Game 3 for a total of 37 possessions, that led to seven turnovers, and the Knicks averaged just 0.65 points per play.

[h4]Knicks' Offense By Who Brought The Ball Up The Court In Game 3 [/h4]
[table][tr][th=""]Douglas[/th][th=""]All others[/th][/tr][tr][td]Points per play -- 0.65[/td][td] 0.96 [/td][/tr][tr][td]Field goals -- 9-of-27[/td][td]15-of-30 [/td][/tr][tr][td]Field goal percentage -- 33.3[/td][td] 50.0 [/td][/tr][/table]

After the Knicks' 113-96 Game 3 blowout loss, D'Antoni said, "He has to run the team a little bit more. It would be nice if he can create more, and we're trying to show him on tape where people are open." But, Mike, you had a whole season to teach him that. It will help everyone if the Knicks can look for a cheap but serviceable backup point guard this summer in free agency (or in the draft), and that would allow Douglas to continue to flourish at the 2.

Realistic available free-agent backup point guards: Carlos Arroyo (unrestricted), J.J. Barea (unrestricted), Earl Boykins (unrestricted), Sebastian Telfair (unrestricted), Earl Watson (unrestricted) and Delonte West (unrestricted).

Scout's take: "Toney Douglas stepped up a little bit [after the trade], but the real key is, who's going to be their long-term solution at point guard? Now, I love Chauncey Billups. When the deal was made, Billups was the overlooked piece, looked at as a throw-in. He still can really make a difference both in terms of being able to score and to create for others. I just think that the window's closing a little bit with the veteran point guard in terms of the stage in his career. And as good as he is, he's just not quite Chris Paul. Barring hitting the Anthony addition has put them in the title contention category, I think it's put them in the perennial playoff category."
[h2]3. A SOLID STRETCH 4[/h2]
What's the first thing that comes to mind when you hear the name Robert Horry? For me, seven championship rings. The former Rocket, Laker and Spur set the standard for the stretch 4 position, a power forward-type player who not only could create better spacing on the court to allow for more driving lanes for guards and more post spacing for centers but also could knock down the open 3. For the Knicks to acquire Anthony, they had to part ways with their main stretch 4, Danilo Gallinari. You could even argue by how well he guarded post players and protected the paint, averaging 1.4 blocks per game while in New York, that Wilson Chandler was also a stretch 4. By letting go of those guys, the Knicks lost forwards who not only could play inside but also possessed the skills of a guard with passing, ballhandling and especially shooting. You could make a case for Shawne Williams because of his size and shooting, but he doesn't take his game inside like Gallinari or Chandler do. Overall, the Knicks tended to play better with a smaller lineup with Gallinari at power forward, especially Stoudemire who shot 56 percent, when Gallo was on the floor. Take a look at the impact that Chandler and four other formidable stretch 4s had on their teams this past season when they were on the court versus off it:

[h4]Wilson Chandler, (with only) New York Knicks[/h4]
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th][th=""][/th][th=""]FG%[/th][th=""]PITP[/th][th=""]TS%[/th][/tr][tr][td]Off[/td][td]-.3[/td][td]45.1%[/td][td]38.2[/td][td]55.7%[/td][/tr][tr][td]On[/td][td]2.2[/td][td]46.5%[/td][td]43.7[/td][td]56.6%[/td][/tr][/table]

[h4]Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Lakers[/h4]
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th][th=""][/th][th=""]FG%[/th][th=""]PITP[/th][th=""]TS%[/th][/tr][tr][td]Off[/td][td]4.4[/td][td]45.5%[/td][td]42.8[/td][td]53.5%[/td][/tr][tr][td]On[/td][td]6.9[/td][td]46.7%[/td][td]44.9[/td][td]56.6%[/td][/tr][/table]

[h4]Ryan Anderson, Orlando Magic[/h4]
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th][th=""][/th][th=""]FG%[/th][th=""]PITP[/th][th=""]TS%[/th][/tr][tr][td]Off[/td][td]3.2[/td][td]46.8%[/td][td]37.8[/td][td]55.3%[/td][/tr][tr][td]On[/td][td]9.4[/td][td]44.9%[/td][td]35.5[/td][td]55.6%[/td][/tr][/table]

[h4]Channing Frye, Phoenix Suns[/h4]
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th][th=""][/th][th=""]FG%[/th][th=""]PITP[/th][th=""]TS%[/th][/tr][tr][td]Off[/td][td]-5.8[/td][td]46.5%[/td][td]41.5[/td][td]54.4%[/td][/tr][tr][td]On[/td][td]1.9[/td][td]47.3%[/td][td]41.0[/td][td]56.8%[/td][/tr][/table]

[h4]Matt Bonner, San Antonio Spurs[/h4]
[table][tr][th=""]
[/th][th=""][/th][th=""]FG%[/th][th=""]PITP[/th][th=""]TS%[/th][/tr][tr][td]Off[/td][td]4.0[/td][td]47.6%[/td][td]44.3[/td][td]55.9%[/td][/tr][tr][td]On[/td][td]8.6[/td][td]47.4%[/td][td]38.4[/td][td]58.1%[/td][/tr][/table]

All team stats are based on per 48 minutesPITP = Points in the paintTS% = True shooting percentage, which calculates shooting percentage adjusting for the value of free throws and 3-point field goals

Realistic available free-agent stretch 4s: Matt Barnes (unrestricted), Wilson Chandler (restricted), James Jones (unrestricted), Jason Kapono (unrestricted) and Peja Stojakovic (unrestricted).

Scout's take: "In their attempt to get Carmelo, they gutted their surrounding cast. I think it showed a lot when they didn't have guys who could space the floor and make shots to help give Amare, Carmelo and Chauncey room to do their thing. They really could use a couple of shooters. The Gallinari type of catch-and-shoot guy on the perimeter. The James Jones type. The Jason Kapono type. The Mike Miller type. Those guys are so much more valuable because they draw the [defense's] attention away from Carmelo and Amare."
[h2]4. A SPECIALIZED DEFENSIVE ASSISTANT COACH[/h2]
After catching flak all season for being a poor defensive team, the Knicks surprised all of NBA Nation in Games 1 and 2 of the first round of the playoffs, holding the Celtics to 91.5 points per game. Of course, you have to be cautious of only two-game increments, and the Knicks still need to show they can play consistent defense for an entire season.

D'Antoni has been unapologetic about his offensive philosophy. He's not in it to try to stop teams; he's in it to try to get teams to stop his own. That's not to say D'Antoni has to coach like Jeff Van Gundy and slow the pace down dramatically to where his team is scoring in the 80s and 90s, but he has to find a better balance between offense and defense (a là Phil Jackson, whose teams usually ranked in the top five in offensive and defensive rating year in and year out).

Although the Knicks gave up a lot of points in the regular season (105.7 per game; third-worst in the league), that's a condition of their fast-paced and perimeter-based offense. More possessions and longer shots, which lead to longer rebounds, mean more scoring opportunities. The true indicator of defensive excellence is opponents' field goal percentage, and the Knicks struggled significantly in that category, finishing fifth-worst (47.2 percent) in the league.

Scout's take: "I commend Mike for doing what he believes, but there's gotta be some attention paid to defense. Certainly a guy like Tom Thibodeau would've helped Mike, but he would've helped him if Mike bought into defense as well. I think that's the tough part. Mike has his philosophy and he also has his staff, and I don't know if it's easy to integrate someone from the outside unless Mike really buys into it.

"I'd look at a **** Harter type. Harter is very well known for his defensive philosophy and strengths. Jim O'Brien had him on his staff for a number of years for that reason, and so did a number of other head coaches. That is really what his MO was: defensive assistant. Maybe a P.J. Carlesimo type. I'm not saying you can't be fast and still be a good defensive team, but I think it's paramount that you have the ability to get defensive stops."
 
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Honestly it doesn't really matter what he meant. Yall getting on him cuz he wanted a friend to be drafted and that he ranks Selby's value rather highly. Like he can't be mad the Knicks didn't draft him or that his boy's stock dropped a great deal.

Acting like he said or did anything reckless.
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  No...  he can't be mad about that.  That is 'reckless'.  It's unprofessional, especially for a guy who is supposed to be a team leader and welcoming young guys to the franchise.  How could that possibly not be an inappropriate way to act??
 
Jello B Afro:
harrellson is gonna be good for the knicks

def see him putting on weight and punking dudes
Came in here to say this. There were times when he was exactly what we needed (UK), when everyone was paying lazy, going through the motions, and he'd come in and give a jolt by hustling, gettin boards and tough putbacks.
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Andy Katz and Ric Bucher are killing our picks , Bucher is trying to start controversy talking about we didn't know who to pick cause nobody knew what they were doing. D-bags 
 
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