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**Official 2010 NY knicks pre-season thread** 10/6 vs T-wolves (PARIS) 2PM MSG/NBA TV
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I could not agree with you more. You can't take steps backwards when you are trying to move on from the past. We might as well re-hire Scott Layden and re-sign Marbury while at it as well.Originally Posted by Big J 33
Not getting at you, but your guarantee doesn't mean much
Its just an idiot move from a very stupid owner. After the drama of Zeke in charge, the awful team he assembled, the lawsuits, the fact that he helped make this team a laughing stock.. AND the apparent fact that Walsh wants nothing to do with him near the team.. Dolan still throws a bone to his friend despite every sign saying he shouldn't.
Hopefully its just a minor job and not a sign of things to come, but no one should deny the ineptitude of Dolan and its an unsettling move.
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I could not agree with you more. You can't take steps backwards when you are trying to move on from the past. We might as well re-hire Scott Layden and re-sign Marbury while at it as well.Originally Posted by Big J 33
Not getting at you, but your guarantee doesn't mean much
Its just an idiot move from a very stupid owner. After the drama of Zeke in charge, the awful team he assembled, the lawsuits, the fact that he helped make this team a laughing stock.. AND the apparent fact that Walsh wants nothing to do with him near the team.. Dolan still throws a bone to his friend despite every sign saying he shouldn't.
Hopefully its just a minor job and not a sign of things to come, but no one should deny the ineptitude of Dolan and its an unsettling move.
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i hope you guys know that we are right back to being jokes. i'm not even about to post the articles, nut we are getting $*+! on all over the place
donnie should quit
donnie should quit
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i hope you guys know that we are right back to being jokes. i'm not even about to post the articles, nut we are getting $*+! on all over the place
donnie should quit
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At least two NBA owners have complained to the league about the Knicks' new arrangement with Isiah Thomas, who became their part-time consultant Friday while also remaining at FIU, according to a source.
One potential owner who might have complained is new Charlotte owner Michael Jordan, who is not a fan of Thomas, nor is Bobcats coach Larry Brown. The NBA is investigating whether Thomas' contract conforms with NBA bylaws.
In a new rule installed four years ago, NBA front-office personnel are not permitted to scout high-school players unless competing in All-Star tournaments. Also, NBA personnel can't have contact with college players until they declare for the draft.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/s ... z0w70ZyMyp
here we go folks. isiah will leave FIU and be turned into a full time employee very soon
ever more scary someone on realgm says that anti-isiah thomas comments on the knicks fan page on facebook have been getting deleted. guess they are getting the old media policy ready for when isiah thomas returns.
fun stuff
One potential owner who might have complained is new Charlotte owner Michael Jordan, who is not a fan of Thomas, nor is Bobcats coach Larry Brown. The NBA is investigating whether Thomas' contract conforms with NBA bylaws.
In a new rule installed four years ago, NBA front-office personnel are not permitted to scout high-school players unless competing in All-Star tournaments. Also, NBA personnel can't have contact with college players until they declare for the draft.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/s ... z0w70ZyMyp
here we go folks. isiah will leave FIU and be turned into a full time employee very soon
ever more scary someone on realgm says that anti-isiah thomas comments on the knicks fan page on facebook have been getting deleted. guess they are getting the old media policy ready for when isiah thomas returns.
fun stuff
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At least two NBA owners have complained to the league about the Knicks' new arrangement with Isiah Thomas, who became their part-time consultant Friday while also remaining at FIU, according to a source.
One potential owner who might have complained is new Charlotte owner Michael Jordan, who is not a fan of Thomas, nor is Bobcats coach Larry Brown. The NBA is investigating whether Thomas' contract conforms with NBA bylaws.
In a new rule installed four years ago, NBA front-office personnel are not permitted to scout high-school players unless competing in All-Star tournaments. Also, NBA personnel can't have contact with college players until they declare for the draft.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/s ... z0w70ZyMyp
here we go folks. isiah will leave FIU and be turned into a full time employee very soon
ever more scary someone on realgm says that anti-isiah thomas comments on the knicks fan page on facebook have been getting deleted. guess they are getting the old media policy ready for when isiah thomas returns.
fun stuff
One potential owner who might have complained is new Charlotte owner Michael Jordan, who is not a fan of Thomas, nor is Bobcats coach Larry Brown. The NBA is investigating whether Thomas' contract conforms with NBA bylaws.
In a new rule installed four years ago, NBA front-office personnel are not permitted to scout high-school players unless competing in All-Star tournaments. Also, NBA personnel can't have contact with college players until they declare for the draft.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/s ... z0w70ZyMyp
here we go folks. isiah will leave FIU and be turned into a full time employee very soon
ever more scary someone on realgm says that anti-isiah thomas comments on the knicks fan page on facebook have been getting deleted. guess they are getting the old media policy ready for when isiah thomas returns.
fun stuff
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any one have any old "Fire Isiah" signs at home? I'm thinking of standing at the garden with one on my lunch break some time this week. Thanks.
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any one have any old "Fire Isiah" signs at home? I'm thinking of standing at the garden with one on my lunch break some time this week. Thanks.
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The New York Knicks are paying a college basketball coach to help them recruit players, and there are 29 competing NBA teams that likely see this arrangement as an unfair competitive advantage -- in their favor.
Executives from those 29 competing NBA teams might've popped a hammy or two racing for the champagne when word came that Isiah Thomas is back as James Dolan's not-so-secret weapon in the ever-escalating arms race for talent.
Thomas is good for business, if you happen to be in the business of outsmarting the Knicks.
But what happens tomorrow when the Miami Heat want to hire John Calipari as a paid consultant? What happens the following day when the Boston Celtics want to reach a similar arrangement with Mike Krzyzewski, and the day after that when the Chicago Bulls want to sign up John Thompson III?
Why can't every NBA team buy its own Division I middleman, and ask him to manipulate the amateur market to serve its own agenda?
David Stern needs to annul this unfathomable second marriage between Dolan and Thomas, and sooner rather than later. Before that first marriage died a slow and painful death, the commissioner said this of the Knicks and their $11.6 million defeat in a sexual harassment case: "It demonstrates that they're not a model of intelligent management."
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Paul Hawthorne/Getty ImagesIsiah Thomas and David Stern -- long before that "not a model of intelligent management" comment.
Nothing's changed, David. The $850 million renovation of the Garden doesn't include a refurbishing of Dolan's priorities, not when the owner still seems far more interested in enraging his fans and defying news media demands than in actually winning a few basketball games.
But this isn't about ordering Dolan to sack Thomas in the best interests of the Knicks and their battered fan base. This is about protecting the integrity of the sport and the process by which NBA teams acquire young talent.
For starters, as head coach of Florida International, Thomas will be in constant contact with high school players who are ineligible for the draft, players who aren't even allowed to be scouted by NBA teams. Lord knows what Isiah Lord Thomas might whisper to those recruits to get them to choose FIU over other interested schools.
OK, that's largely an NCAA problem. And yes, the fact the NCAA would allow a college coach to work as a de facto general manager for an NBA team (Dolan listens to Thomas as much as he listens to team president Donnie Walsh, those in the know say) is almost as hard to believe as the Knicks' appointment of Thomas itself.
Truth is, Stern can't do much about the NCAA spraying graffiti all over the spirit of its own rules. But the commissioner can stop NBA franchises from polluting the tributaries feeding into the draft.
Consider this scenario: FIU has a first-round prospect, and the Knicks want to pick him. The New Jersey Nets and Toronto Raptors, both Atlantic Division foes, are interested in the same player and, of course, want to talk to that young man's coach, who happens to be Thomas, who happens to work for the Knicks, who happen to be hoping the Nets (picking at No. 5) and the Raptors (picking at No. 6) don't select this player before he can be grabbed by the Knicks (picking at No. 7).
Does Thomas give the Nets and Raptors a less-than-ringing endorsement in an attempt to move them off the kid, even if a slide in the draft would cost that kid a truckload of money? Does Thomas ask his assistants and acquaintances in the college game to deliver the same bogus scouting report to inquiring minds?
FIU has produced Raja Bell and Carlos Arroyo, but no, it's not exactly Kentucky or North Carolina, a truth that makes little or no difference. Thomas will be afforded greater access to opposing Division I players than any fellow NBA executive. He can talk to them when others can't. Before these players declare for the draft, Thomas can praise them in news conferences when others aren't even allowed to speak their names.
"There are a thousand ways a college head coach working for an NBA team can try to manipulate the draft," said one well-placed NBA source. "He can advise certain players to enter early, advise others not to enter early, and it can all be tied to the interests of the NBA team paying that coach. I can't see how this would hold up."
So Stern needs to compel Isiah to make a choice -- Knicks consultant or Florida International coach, but not both.
If Thomas were to choose a return to the Garden, the heavy favorite in that prospective two-horse derby, the commissioner couldn't do much about that.
Other than pray the Knicks one day represent a model of intelligent management.
Ian O'Connor is a columnist for ESPNNewYork.com. You can follow him on Twitter.
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The New York Knicks are paying a college basketball coach to help them recruit players, and there are 29 competing NBA teams that likely see this arrangement as an unfair competitive advantage -- in their favor.
Executives from those 29 competing NBA teams might've popped a hammy or two racing for the champagne when word came that Isiah Thomas is back as James Dolan's not-so-secret weapon in the ever-escalating arms race for talent.
Thomas is good for business, if you happen to be in the business of outsmarting the Knicks.
But what happens tomorrow when the Miami Heat want to hire John Calipari as a paid consultant? What happens the following day when the Boston Celtics want to reach a similar arrangement with Mike Krzyzewski, and the day after that when the Chicago Bulls want to sign up John Thompson III?
Why can't every NBA team buy its own Division I middleman, and ask him to manipulate the amateur market to serve its own agenda?
David Stern needs to annul this unfathomable second marriage between Dolan and Thomas, and sooner rather than later. Before that first marriage died a slow and painful death, the commissioner said this of the Knicks and their $11.6 million defeat in a sexual harassment case: "It demonstrates that they're not a model of intelligent management."
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=oconnor_ian&id=5447897#/sports.espn.go.com/espn/gallery/enlargePhoto?id=5447958&story=5447897">http://sports.espn.go.com...447958&...idth=640,height=750,scrollbars=no,noresize'); return false;">[+] Enlarge
Paul Hawthorne/Getty ImagesIsiah Thomas and David Stern -- long before that "not a model of intelligent management" comment.
Nothing's changed, David. The $850 million renovation of the Garden doesn't include a refurbishing of Dolan's priorities, not when the owner still seems far more interested in enraging his fans and defying news media demands than in actually winning a few basketball games.
But this isn't about ordering Dolan to sack Thomas in the best interests of the Knicks and their battered fan base. This is about protecting the integrity of the sport and the process by which NBA teams acquire young talent.
For starters, as head coach of Florida International, Thomas will be in constant contact with high school players who are ineligible for the draft, players who aren't even allowed to be scouted by NBA teams. Lord knows what Isiah Lord Thomas might whisper to those recruits to get them to choose FIU over other interested schools.
OK, that's largely an NCAA problem. And yes, the fact the NCAA would allow a college coach to work as a de facto general manager for an NBA team (Dolan listens to Thomas as much as he listens to team president Donnie Walsh, those in the know say) is almost as hard to believe as the Knicks' appointment of Thomas itself.
Truth is, Stern can't do much about the NCAA spraying graffiti all over the spirit of its own rules. But the commissioner can stop NBA franchises from polluting the tributaries feeding into the draft.
Consider this scenario: FIU has a first-round prospect, and the Knicks want to pick him. The New Jersey Nets and Toronto Raptors, both Atlantic Division foes, are interested in the same player and, of course, want to talk to that young man's coach, who happens to be Thomas, who happens to work for the Knicks, who happen to be hoping the Nets (picking at No. 5) and the Raptors (picking at No. 6) don't select this player before he can be grabbed by the Knicks (picking at No. 7).
Does Thomas give the Nets and Raptors a less-than-ringing endorsement in an attempt to move them off the kid, even if a slide in the draft would cost that kid a truckload of money? Does Thomas ask his assistants and acquaintances in the college game to deliver the same bogus scouting report to inquiring minds?
FIU has produced Raja Bell and Carlos Arroyo, but no, it's not exactly Kentucky or North Carolina, a truth that makes little or no difference. Thomas will be afforded greater access to opposing Division I players than any fellow NBA executive. He can talk to them when others can't. Before these players declare for the draft, Thomas can praise them in news conferences when others aren't even allowed to speak their names.
"There are a thousand ways a college head coach working for an NBA team can try to manipulate the draft," said one well-placed NBA source. "He can advise certain players to enter early, advise others not to enter early, and it can all be tied to the interests of the NBA team paying that coach. I can't see how this would hold up."
So Stern needs to compel Isiah to make a choice -- Knicks consultant or Florida International coach, but not both.
If Thomas were to choose a return to the Garden, the heavy favorite in that prospective two-horse derby, the commissioner couldn't do much about that.
Other than pray the Knicks one day represent a model of intelligent management.
Ian O'Connor is a columnist for ESPNNewYork.com. You can follow him on Twitter.
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If David Stern steps in and says Zeke can't be a consultant if he's the head coach at FIU, Zeke will just step down as head coach. There's nothign the NBA can do to stop Dolan from showing his hard on for Zeke.
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If David Stern steps in and says Zeke can't be a consultant if he's the head coach at FIU, Zeke will just step down as head coach. There's nothign the NBA can do to stop Dolan from showing his hard on for Zeke.
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It's times like these, I feel bad we have assets to lose.
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It's times like these, I feel bad we have assets to lose.
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“Donnie Walsh and I, and Jim and I, we’ve always had great respect for each other,'' Thomas said on Dan LeBatard's Miami radio show this morning. "Donnie and I have worked with each other. Actually, Donnie gave me my first job in the NBA in terms of coaching with the Indiana Pacers. The relationships that we have and our ability to work together and understand how tough it is to win in New York and try to assemble talent to go out there and compete, I’m glad they have given me the opportunity to come back.
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“Donnie Walsh and I, and Jim and I, we’ve always had great respect for each other,'' Thomas said on Dan LeBatard's Miami radio show this morning. "Donnie and I have worked with each other. Actually, Donnie gave me my first job in the NBA in terms of coaching with the Indiana Pacers. The relationships that we have and our ability to work together and understand how tough it is to win in New York and try to assemble talent to go out there and compete, I’m glad they have given me the opportunity to come back.
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Sources tell Ken Berger of CBS Sports that the Knicks will have a very difficult time being able to get the NBA league office to approve an arrangement that allows Isiah Thomas to formally consult with the Knicks while retaining his position as head coach at Florida International University.
NBA team officials are not allowed to have the level of pre-draft contact and regular interaction with college players that a college coach like Thomas is required to as part of his job.
It will likely be found to violate the NBA's rules to permit this kind of dual role for team personnel.
If the Knicks are permitted to retain Thomas' services in such a manner, it could open the floodgates on NBA teams hiring members of college teams in order to give those NBA teams an inside track on college players.
"I think it's going to blur the line to such a degree that teams are going to say, 'OK it's a competitive disadvantage if we don't have a guy,'" a team basketball operations official said. "So they're going to go get guys, whether they're low-level coaches or whatever. All these teams and executives are going to say, 'Hold on, this is a different message you're sending us.'"
Berger also refutes reports that Donnie Walsh threatened to quit when Thomas was hired. Berger calls these reports "not entirely true."
Sources say that Dolan first discussed bringing Thomas back with Walsh, who indicated he wouldn't object to Thomas returning in the consulting role he held before accepting an offer from FIU. But Walsh made it known that he did not want Thomas having a full-time position in the daily operations of the Knicks.
Via CBS Sports
NBA team officials are not allowed to have the level of pre-draft contact and regular interaction with college players that a college coach like Thomas is required to as part of his job.
It will likely be found to violate the NBA's rules to permit this kind of dual role for team personnel.
If the Knicks are permitted to retain Thomas' services in such a manner, it could open the floodgates on NBA teams hiring members of college teams in order to give those NBA teams an inside track on college players.
"I think it's going to blur the line to such a degree that teams are going to say, 'OK it's a competitive disadvantage if we don't have a guy,'" a team basketball operations official said. "So they're going to go get guys, whether they're low-level coaches or whatever. All these teams and executives are going to say, 'Hold on, this is a different message you're sending us.'"
Berger also refutes reports that Donnie Walsh threatened to quit when Thomas was hired. Berger calls these reports "not entirely true."
Sources say that Dolan first discussed bringing Thomas back with Walsh, who indicated he wouldn't object to Thomas returning in the consulting role he held before accepting an offer from FIU. But Walsh made it known that he did not want Thomas having a full-time position in the daily operations of the Knicks.
Via CBS Sports
