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You ain't wrong. He made Landry !%+!+++ Fields look like D.Lee. It's just day 1 and we got Mozgov, but I kinda wish we would've signed Zoubek. Only undrafted center worth anything.
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.......James looked like straight Trash however I hope the Russian can Drago Lebron
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.......James looked like straight Trash however I hope the Russian can Drago Lebron
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"I must break you"
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Anyone catch the new york post yesterday about lebron? the headline was
Welcome to New York %+!%%%%
btw he's still in new york
anyone know where that is at??
My guess was the south street seaport, he's currently over their at a hotel for the week
Welcome to New York %+!%%%%
btw he's still in new york
anyone know where that is at??
My guess was the south street seaport, he's currently over their at a hotel for the week
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Anyone catch the new york post yesterday about lebron? the headline was
Welcome to New York %+!%%%%
btw he's still in new york
anyone know where that is at??
My guess was the south street seaport, he's currently over their at a hotel for the week
Welcome to New York %+!%%%%
btw he's still in new york
anyone know where that is at??
My guess was the south street seaport, he's currently over their at a hotel for the week
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I disagree about Zoubek he looked like he was duke just because he was tall, he is not athletic at all
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I disagree about Zoubek he looked like he was duke just because he was tall, he is not athletic at all
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How the +!%@ did Walsh find this guy?
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How the +!%@ did Walsh find this guy?
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i think every team has about 2 coaching scouts.Originally Posted by MaxElite
How the +!%@ did Walsh find this guy?
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one for in the US and one for other countries.
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i think every team has about 2 coaching scouts.Originally Posted by MaxElite
How the +!%@ did Walsh find this guy?
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one for in the US and one for other countries.
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[h2]Vegas Summer League Game One: Nuggets 100 – Knicks 90[/h2]
July 11th, 2010 by Robert Silverman | Comments | Permalink |
Ah the summer league…
All potential. No consequences. It’s kinda neat actually. Instead of the sturm und drang ofLeBrocalypse/obsessively following twitter for rumors about gossip about hearsay, one can watch an actual basketball game. Novel idea, I know
For those who missed it (or, you know, have a life), the ‘Bockers lost to the Rocks 100 – 90. SL games tend to be a rather haggard affair and this tilt was no exception as the Nix engaged in a bit of a hack-a-palooza, compiling 46 fouls in 40 minutes of play. But before your humble correspondent focuses his oh-so keen powers of observation and/or scouting acumen upon our hardwood heroes-to-be, lemme spew a few random/general observations…
Oddly enough, the game played out in eerily similar fashion to the Nix regular season affairs for the past few years. They quickly fell behind by double digits, crawled back with some hot shooting, couldn’t get over the hump, and then lost by ten. They also didn’t play a lot of defense and scored primarily from the perimeter/threes. Strange. Considering these cats have only been in Vegas for a few days, it’s impressive/vaguely nauseating that they’ve managed to absorb the Knicks’ basic DNA so quickly.
Was Kenny Atkinson wearing parachute pants?
For some reason, the Knicks didn’t have uni numbers on the front of their jerseys. This isn’t an SL-wide phenomenon as the other teams seem to have managed to iron-on some plastic onto their very YMCA-looking shirts. Did someone forget? Is it some convoluted, “You have to earn a front number
July 11th, 2010 by Robert Silverman | Comments | Permalink |
Ah the summer league…
All potential. No consequences. It’s kinda neat actually. Instead of the sturm und drang ofLeBrocalypse/obsessively following twitter for rumors about gossip about hearsay, one can watch an actual basketball game. Novel idea, I know
For those who missed it (or, you know, have a life), the ‘Bockers lost to the Rocks 100 – 90. SL games tend to be a rather haggard affair and this tilt was no exception as the Nix engaged in a bit of a hack-a-palooza, compiling 46 fouls in 40 minutes of play. But before your humble correspondent focuses his oh-so keen powers of observation and/or scouting acumen upon our hardwood heroes-to-be, lemme spew a few random/general observations…
Oddly enough, the game played out in eerily similar fashion to the Nix regular season affairs for the past few years. They quickly fell behind by double digits, crawled back with some hot shooting, couldn’t get over the hump, and then lost by ten. They also didn’t play a lot of defense and scored primarily from the perimeter/threes. Strange. Considering these cats have only been in Vegas for a few days, it’s impressive/vaguely nauseating that they’ve managed to absorb the Knicks’ basic DNA so quickly.
Was Kenny Atkinson wearing parachute pants?
For some reason, the Knicks didn’t have uni numbers on the front of their jerseys. This isn’t an SL-wide phenomenon as the other teams seem to have managed to iron-on some plastic onto their very YMCA-looking shirts. Did someone forget? Is it some convoluted, “You have to earn a front number
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[h2]Vegas Summer League Game One: Nuggets 100 – Knicks 90[/h2]
July 11th, 2010 by Robert Silverman | Comments | Permalink |
Ah the summer league…
All potential. No consequences. It’s kinda neat actually. Instead of the sturm und drang ofLeBrocalypse/obsessively following twitter for rumors about gossip about hearsay, one can watch an actual basketball game. Novel idea, I know
For those who missed it (or, you know, have a life), the ‘Bockers lost to the Rocks 100 – 90. SL games tend to be a rather haggard affair and this tilt was no exception as the Nix engaged in a bit of a hack-a-palooza, compiling 46 fouls in 40 minutes of play. But before your humble correspondent focuses his oh-so keen powers of observation and/or scouting acumen upon our hardwood heroes-to-be, lemme spew a few random/general observations…
Oddly enough, the game played out in eerily similar fashion to the Nix regular season affairs for the past few years. They quickly fell behind by double digits, crawled back with some hot shooting, couldn’t get over the hump, and then lost by ten. They also didn’t play a lot of defense and scored primarily from the perimeter/threes. Strange. Considering these cats have only been in Vegas for a few days, it’s impressive/vaguely nauseating that they’ve managed to absorb the Knicks’ basic DNA so quickly.
Was Kenny Atkinson wearing parachute pants?
For some reason, the Knicks didn’t have uni numbers on the front of their jerseys. This isn’t an SL-wide phenomenon as the other teams seem to have managed to iron-on some plastic onto their very YMCA-looking shirts. Did someone forget? Is it some convoluted, “You have to earn a front number
July 11th, 2010 by Robert Silverman | Comments | Permalink |
Ah the summer league…
All potential. No consequences. It’s kinda neat actually. Instead of the sturm und drang ofLeBrocalypse/obsessively following twitter for rumors about gossip about hearsay, one can watch an actual basketball game. Novel idea, I know
For those who missed it (or, you know, have a life), the ‘Bockers lost to the Rocks 100 – 90. SL games tend to be a rather haggard affair and this tilt was no exception as the Nix engaged in a bit of a hack-a-palooza, compiling 46 fouls in 40 minutes of play. But before your humble correspondent focuses his oh-so keen powers of observation and/or scouting acumen upon our hardwood heroes-to-be, lemme spew a few random/general observations…
Oddly enough, the game played out in eerily similar fashion to the Nix regular season affairs for the past few years. They quickly fell behind by double digits, crawled back with some hot shooting, couldn’t get over the hump, and then lost by ten. They also didn’t play a lot of defense and scored primarily from the perimeter/threes. Strange. Considering these cats have only been in Vegas for a few days, it’s impressive/vaguely nauseating that they’ve managed to absorb the Knicks’ basic DNA so quickly.
Was Kenny Atkinson wearing parachute pants?
For some reason, the Knicks didn’t have uni numbers on the front of their jerseys. This isn’t an SL-wide phenomenon as the other teams seem to have managed to iron-on some plastic onto their very YMCA-looking shirts. Did someone forget? Is it some convoluted, “You have to earn a front number
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George Karl didn't sound too confident when Melo's name was brought up...
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George Karl didn't sound too confident when Melo's name was brought up...
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George Karl didn't sound too confident when Melo's name was brought up...
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George Karl didn't sound too confident when Melo's name was brought up...
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You forgot Turiaf, Andy Rautins, Jerome James, and Timofey homie, although the only players i see cracking the rotation as of now is just turiaf and Timofey (hopefully)
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You forgot Turiaf, Andy Rautins, Jerome James, and Timofey homie, although the only players i see cracking the rotation as of now is just turiaf and Timofey (hopefully)
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Coulda sworn Amare said he wasn't playing center anymore, at least not most of the time. +Bill Walker needs to remember how to play basketball before he ever starts.
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Off the bench: Walker, Azu and Turiaf (at 5 only). Then somehow _'Antoni will give a couple looks at Mozgov, Rautins, Fields and Jordan...and Curry...
Why you got me thinking about rotations, after the Knicks had like 20 starting lineups last year?
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Coulda sworn Amare said he wasn't playing center anymore, at least not most of the time. +Bill Walker needs to remember how to play basketball before he ever starts.
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Off the bench: Walker, Azu and Turiaf (at 5 only). Then somehow _'Antoni will give a couple looks at Mozgov, Rautins, Fields and Jordan...and Curry...
Why you got me thinking about rotations, after the Knicks had like 20 starting lineups last year?
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Well obviously D'Antoni like his short rotations, so don't expect 12 players to get consistent minutes. I also don't expect Amare to play the 5, he wants to play 4. D'Antoni also said he sees Turiaf as a 5, so expect to see him get minutes, at least initially over the Russian unless he really impresses.
Jerome Jordan might not even make the team, he looked awful in summer league, especially since Moz was brought in.
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Jerome Jordan might not even make the team, he looked awful in summer league, especially since Moz was brought in.
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[h3] Knicks Stealthily Sign Timofey Mozgov [/h3]
According to the venerable Jonathan Givony of Draft Express, Russian center Timofey Mozgov signed a 3-year, $10 million contract with the Knicks over the weekend.
Donnie Walsh seemed to pull this deal off totally under the radar. No indication Mozgov was interested in coming over to the NBA this summer. Have to imagine multiple teams would have been hot on Mozgov if they realized he was making himself available this summer.
Figured Timo could still use a year or two of seasoning in Europe. Timo had to split time with Euroleague vet Robertas Javtokas (one of the better centers in Europe) on Khimki Moscow this season. Javtokas was possibly looking to move to another club, so Mozgov would have been given the starting slot and more opportunity to shine next season.
A quality signing since the Knicks badly needed a true big on their roster. Have to wonder how the Nets missed on Timo, not to mention, giving the same exact money to journeyman Johan Petro instead. Advantage Knicks.
After Brendan Haywood and Darko, Mozgov (turns 24 on Friday) was probably the best free agent center candidate on the market this summer considering the rest of the viable centers are in their mid-30s (Shaq, Ben Wallace, Rasho, Big Z).
Compared to the money shelled out to Haywood and Darko, Mozgov's deal is a relative bargain. A low-risk transaction for the Knicks. Worthwhile gamble on a 7-footer with terrific physical tools and enticing potential.
Mozgov was the best free agent big in Europe besides Giannis Bourousis and one of the best European free agents overall. Bourousis is more polished offensively, but Mozgov clearly has the athletic advantage. Timo is very mobile and runs the floor very well for a player his size. Think Andris Biedrins or Marcin Gortat.
Impressive physical package but still figuring out the game. Lacks polish and tends to be reactionary in his approach. His limited feel for the game leads him to take bad angles and gets him out of position, which leads to fouls.
Like we saw in Eurobasket, Mozgov still has issues staying out of foul trouble. He averaged 3 fouls per game in only 13 minutes a game in Euroleague action (2.7 fouls in 18 mins/game in Russian SuperLeague play).
Here's was our analysis of Mozgov after his breakout Eurobasket performance last September:
- If you can pick anyone who had a coming-out party at Euro '09, you might have to go with Timo. The 7-0 Mozgov was an imposing interior presence at both ends of the floor. Mozgov is a pretty good athlete for his size and has a nice frame that can handle more weight. Powerful finisher, might have led the tourney in dunks. No real signs of much of a post game, did most of his damage rolling to the rim. But there were a few glimpses of a decent touch on some short jumpers. Attacks the offensive glass. Did a pretty good job defensively protecting the painted area and wasn't too bad on ball screens. Dealt with constant foul trouble which limited him to 23 mins/game. His potential is enticing, and have to imagine most NBA front offices are keeping close tabs on the 23-year-old. (Timo's Eurobasket '09 stats: 11 ppg, 4.5 rpg (2.7 off.), 1.3 bpg, 59%)
The only thing we would tweak about this analysis after watching him play for Khimki extensively this season-- his jumper needs work. He's not really a threat to face-up and currently does most of his damage inside the painted area.
In 16 Euroleague games, Mozgov averaged 6 ppg (50.6%) and 4 rpg in 13 minutes per game. Timo was a bit better in 32 Russian Superleague games--7.5 ppg (56%) & 4.8 rpg (2 off.) in 18 mins/game.
As we mentioned above, Mozgov's post game is lacking. His footwork on offense is actually not bad. It's just that his touch needs refining. Not much of a scoring threat outside of five feet. Scores off of rolls, cuts and occasionally off his post moves. Sometimes likes to finish with his left hand.
As mentioned above, very effective as the roll man in pick/roll action. Good hands--can catch the ball on the move and finish in one motion. The ball-handler can throw the ball up at the rim and Timo can go get it. Very dangerous offensive rebounder and adept at put-backs.
Holds up fairly well defending pick/roll action. His mobility is an asset in ball screens and allows him to be an effective help defender a majority of the time. Averaged 1 block per game in both Euroleague and Superleague play. His post defense could use some work.
Devastatingly good finisher with Team Russia last summer, better than he was with Khimky this season. What I noticed was Russia did a better job of keeping the middle of the floor open than Khimky which spaced out the help defenders. Some of this spacing was due to Coach Blatt's Princeton sets. Mozgov should have even more room to finish in the NBA thanks to D'Antoni's spread system and the deeper 3pt. arc.
Knicks fans need to be patient with the Russian big. He has not been playing high-level basketball for very long and can imagine the adjustment to the NBA, not to mention NYC, will be difficult. Assume D'Antoni will give Mozgov 15 mins/game off the bench and hopefully he can provide
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Well obviously D'Antoni like his short rotations, so don't expect 12 players to get consistent minutes. I also don't expect Amare to play the 5, he wants to play 4. D'Antoni also said he sees Turiaf as a 5, so expect to see him get minutes, at least initially over the Russian unless he really impresses.
Jerome Jordan might not even make the team, he looked awful in summer league, especially since Moz was brought in.
[h3][/h3]
Jerome Jordan might not even make the team, he looked awful in summer league, especially since Moz was brought in.
[h3][/h3]
[h3] Knicks Stealthily Sign Timofey Mozgov [/h3]
According to the venerable Jonathan Givony of Draft Express, Russian center Timofey Mozgov signed a 3-year, $10 million contract with the Knicks over the weekend.
Donnie Walsh seemed to pull this deal off totally under the radar. No indication Mozgov was interested in coming over to the NBA this summer. Have to imagine multiple teams would have been hot on Mozgov if they realized he was making himself available this summer.
Figured Timo could still use a year or two of seasoning in Europe. Timo had to split time with Euroleague vet Robertas Javtokas (one of the better centers in Europe) on Khimki Moscow this season. Javtokas was possibly looking to move to another club, so Mozgov would have been given the starting slot and more opportunity to shine next season.
A quality signing since the Knicks badly needed a true big on their roster. Have to wonder how the Nets missed on Timo, not to mention, giving the same exact money to journeyman Johan Petro instead. Advantage Knicks.
After Brendan Haywood and Darko, Mozgov (turns 24 on Friday) was probably the best free agent center candidate on the market this summer considering the rest of the viable centers are in their mid-30s (Shaq, Ben Wallace, Rasho, Big Z).
Compared to the money shelled out to Haywood and Darko, Mozgov's deal is a relative bargain. A low-risk transaction for the Knicks. Worthwhile gamble on a 7-footer with terrific physical tools and enticing potential.
Mozgov was the best free agent big in Europe besides Giannis Bourousis and one of the best European free agents overall. Bourousis is more polished offensively, but Mozgov clearly has the athletic advantage. Timo is very mobile and runs the floor very well for a player his size. Think Andris Biedrins or Marcin Gortat.
Impressive physical package but still figuring out the game. Lacks polish and tends to be reactionary in his approach. His limited feel for the game leads him to take bad angles and gets him out of position, which leads to fouls.
Like we saw in Eurobasket, Mozgov still has issues staying out of foul trouble. He averaged 3 fouls per game in only 13 minutes a game in Euroleague action (2.7 fouls in 18 mins/game in Russian SuperLeague play).
Here's was our analysis of Mozgov after his breakout Eurobasket performance last September:
- If you can pick anyone who had a coming-out party at Euro '09, you might have to go with Timo. The 7-0 Mozgov was an imposing interior presence at both ends of the floor. Mozgov is a pretty good athlete for his size and has a nice frame that can handle more weight. Powerful finisher, might have led the tourney in dunks. No real signs of much of a post game, did most of his damage rolling to the rim. But there were a few glimpses of a decent touch on some short jumpers. Attacks the offensive glass. Did a pretty good job defensively protecting the painted area and wasn't too bad on ball screens. Dealt with constant foul trouble which limited him to 23 mins/game. His potential is enticing, and have to imagine most NBA front offices are keeping close tabs on the 23-year-old. (Timo's Eurobasket '09 stats: 11 ppg, 4.5 rpg (2.7 off.), 1.3 bpg, 59%)
The only thing we would tweak about this analysis after watching him play for Khimki extensively this season-- his jumper needs work. He's not really a threat to face-up and currently does most of his damage inside the painted area.
In 16 Euroleague games, Mozgov averaged 6 ppg (50.6%) and 4 rpg in 13 minutes per game. Timo was a bit better in 32 Russian Superleague games--7.5 ppg (56%) & 4.8 rpg (2 off.) in 18 mins/game.
As we mentioned above, Mozgov's post game is lacking. His footwork on offense is actually not bad. It's just that his touch needs refining. Not much of a scoring threat outside of five feet. Scores off of rolls, cuts and occasionally off his post moves. Sometimes likes to finish with his left hand.
As mentioned above, very effective as the roll man in pick/roll action. Good hands--can catch the ball on the move and finish in one motion. The ball-handler can throw the ball up at the rim and Timo can go get it. Very dangerous offensive rebounder and adept at put-backs.
Holds up fairly well defending pick/roll action. His mobility is an asset in ball screens and allows him to be an effective help defender a majority of the time. Averaged 1 block per game in both Euroleague and Superleague play. His post defense could use some work.
Devastatingly good finisher with Team Russia last summer, better than he was with Khimky this season. What I noticed was Russia did a better job of keeping the middle of the floor open than Khimky which spaced out the help defenders. Some of this spacing was due to Coach Blatt's Princeton sets. Mozgov should have even more room to finish in the NBA thanks to D'Antoni's spread system and the deeper 3pt. arc.
Knicks fans need to be patient with the Russian big. He has not been playing high-level basketball for very long and can imagine the adjustment to the NBA, not to mention NYC, will be difficult. Assume D'Antoni will give Mozgov 15 mins/game off the bench and hopefully he can provide
