Official 2012 San Francisco Giants Season Thread (94-68) World Series Champions

Havent weighed in on Melky yet......

At the very least, I would have wanted to see us work him out....have him face some minor league pitching.....simulate some game situations.....see how he looks.

Since that wasnt done, we can now come to the conclusion that it was 100% a PR decision. I just dont see how you can operate a team that way, especially if you are competing for a championship. What seems to be lost in this "PR Nightmare" idea, is the fact that there are going to be PR ramifications if Melky is on the roster or not. Just because we left him off the roster, wont make people forget we had an MVP caliber player helping us for over 2/3 of the season. Melky helped us get to where we are. If we win the WS with him off the roster, it wont change that.

I want him back, but I know it wont happen. I just hate that we are making playoff decisions for PR reasons, not baseball reasons.
 
I like Melky. If you're not cheating, you're not trying. Team should forfeit all those games they won with him, if they want to distance themselves that much. Funny thing, it seems like a couple of the players that have spoken about him, would welcome him back. All on the front office though.
 
dland24 said:
Havent weighed in on Melky yet......
At the very least, I would have wanted to see us work him out....have him face some minor league pitching.....simulate some game situations.....see how he looks.
Since that wasnt done, we can now come to the conclusion that it was 100% a PR decision. I just dont see how you can operate a team that way, especially if you are competing for a championship. What seems to be lost in this "PR Nightmare" idea, is the fact that there are going to be PR ramifications if Melky is on the roster or not. Just because we left him off the roster, wont make people forget we had an MVP caliber player helping us for over 2/3 of the season. Melky helped us get to where we are. If we win the WS with him off the roster, it wont change that.
I want him back, but I know it wont happen. I just hate that we are making playoff decisions for PR reasons, not baseball reasons.
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I think what Buster has done and continues to do since the ASG has made Melky's scandal a side thought. If Buster hasn't locked in and we were trailing LA on the outside looking in, you'd be absolutely right.

Also, I do not want to see Belt in left at all come October. Whatever rifts Zito and Timmy have with Buster needs to be put aside. Belt belongs at first, Posey behind the dish, and Sanchez in left....left out.
 
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I like Melky. If you're not cheating, you're not trying. Team should forfeit all those games they won with him, if they want to distance themselves that much. Funny thing, it seems like a couple of the players that have spoken about him, would welcome him back. All on the front office though.
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:lol: no flippin' way. ever. for ANYONE.
 
dland24 said:
Havent weighed in on Melky yet......
At the very least, I would have wanted to see us work him out....have him face some minor league pitching.....simulate some game situations.....see how he looks.
Since that wasnt done, we can now come to the conclusion that it was 100% a PR decision. I just dont see how you can operate a team that way, especially if you are competing for a championship. What seems to be lost in this "PR Nightmare" idea, is the fact that there are going to be PR ramifications if Melky is on the roster or not. Just because we left him off the roster, wont make people forget we had an MVP caliber player helping us for over 2/3 of the season. Melky helped us get to where we are. If we win the WS with him off the roster, it wont change that.
I want him back, but I know it wont happen. I just hate that we are making playoff decisions for PR reasons, not baseball reasons.
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I disagree to 1000%.

You're cool, and I respect your thoughts and opinions...but judging by everything I've heard, there's no way the competition he'd get to get into "game" shape would be adequate enough for the PLAYOFFS. Coupled with the fact he'd be taking a roster spot and therefore force the Giants to play short handed into the 2nd round (unless playoff rosters are set each round? Which I didnt think was the case).

Further, I maintain that had he not tried to get one over on the Giants and MLB with fake website BS it would be easier to be more accepting of him. We have a good thing going on with this team and their chemestry, Melky would throw that off track and it'd become a zoo.
 
Anyone luck on the NLDS lottery?

I was at the game and had meetings beforehand, noticed I got a "2nd chance e-mail" and didn't even attempt till 2pm...got game 5 tix which I'm hoping will be refunded.
 
LazyJ10 said:
Anyone luck on the NLDS lottery?

I was at the game and had meetings beforehand, noticed I got a "2nd chance e-mail" and didn't even attempt till 2pm...got game 5 tix which I'm hoping will be refunded.
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I got the same e-mail and went to check it out, but they only had SRO tickets for $50. :x

I'm just gonna go to Pete's and use that $50 on beer. I was there for a lot of playoff games in 2010 and it was great.
 
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LazyJ10 said:
I disagree to 1000%.

You're cool, and I respect your thoughts and opinions...but judging by everything I've heard, there's no way the competition he'd get to get into "game" shape would be adequate enough for the PLAYOFFS. Coupled with the fact he'd be taking a roster spot and therefore force the Giants to play short handed into the 2nd round (unless playoff rosters are set each round? Which I didnt think was the case).

Further, I maintain that had he not tried to get one over on the Giants and MLB with fake website BS it would be easier to be more accepting of him. We have a good thing going on with this team and their chemestry, Melky would throw that off track and it'd become a zoo.
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Its all good bro. Its definitely a topic that seems to be very split on opinions....

Saying theres no way he would get into game shape is something that I could respect. But the Giants didnt even work him out. What if he actually WAS in game shape? Like I said, thats why at the very least I would have liked us to work him out and entertain the idea of bringing him back.

And yes, playoff rosters can be reset after every round.

I, too, am a big advocate of chemistry. But our chemistry was fine prior to him getting suspended. Our chemistry was fine when Mota came back. I dunno. I just want to win. And if we win the whole thing and outsiders make comments about Melky....who cares? I feel like if we win, either with or without him, people are still going to claim we would never have been in the position we were without Melky. There are going to be comments either way. And just watch....during the first game of the NLDS, Joe B(f)uck or whoever will make a ton of "in the midst of the Melky Cabrera scandal..." type comments. Just watch.

LazyJ10 said:
Anyone luck on the NLDS lottery?

I was at the game and had meetings beforehand, noticed I got a "2nd chance e-mail" and didn't even attempt till 2pm...got game 5 tix which I'm hoping will be refunded.
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Got the season ticket holder presale on tuesday. Got tickets for game 1....which after this meeting I just got out of.....I learned I may not be able to use. SMH.
 
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dland24 said:
Its all good bro. Its definitely a topic that seems to be very split on opinions....
Saying theres no way he would get into game shape is something that I could respect. But the Giants didnt even work him out. What if he actually WAS in game shape? Like I said, thats why at the very least I would have liked us to work him out and entertain the idea of bringing him back.
And yes, playoff rosters can be reset after every round.
I, too, am a big advocate of chemistry. But our chemistry was fine prior to him getting suspended. Our chemistry was fine when Mota came back. I dunno. I just want to win. And if we win the whole thing and outsiders make comments about Melky....who cares? I feel like if we win, either with or without him, people are still going to claim we would never have been in the position we were without Melky. There are going to be comments either way. And just watch....during the first game of the NLDS, Joe B(f)uck or whoever will make a ton of "in the midst of the Melky Cabrera scandal..." type comments. Just watch.
Got the season ticket holder presale on tuesday. Got tickets for game 1....which after this meeting I just got out of.....I learned I may not be able to use. SMH.
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Mota isn't directly impactings wins like a every day OF is though, and to be frank, I wouldn't have taken him back myself, either.

I'd be shocked if they weren't getting some type of report on him which further solidfied the decision.
 
Game 1 is October 6th. I hope it's a night game.

The thought of Barry Zito starting at GABP. :x :smh:

That's basically giving the game away.
 
Question for buying playoff tix on stubhub... so the date for home game one says oct 9th.. and im assuming that most people selling on stubhub dont have the actual tix yet. If i were to buy them now without the date being set... when and how would i get the tix?/
thanks
 
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This just came in :smile:

Gonna love wearing this down in LA.
 
@CSNBaggs: Bochy plans to rest several regulars tomorrow and put the starters out there for all three night games at Dodger Stadium.

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The San Francisco Giants will finish the regular season ranked in the top 10 of the ESPN Power Rankings for the eighth straight week, and in 16 of the final 17. The Giants finished with three straight fifth-place rankings, the highest they have been ranked this season. And still, the Giants have no chance of winning the World Series.


The Giants have played well this season, and they have been red hot in September, but they are a thin team that has feasted on inferior competition. Buster Posey is one of the best players in baseball, and Matt Cain and Madison Bumgarner are top-30 pitchers. But outside of that, the quality dips quickly.
Pablo Sandoval is someone the team needs to be a star, but according to both wOBA and wRC+ he has not been a top-10 third baseman this season. Angel Pagan has been good but streaky -- in two months, he has compiled an OPS of .884 or higher, but in the other four months he has compiled an OPS of .760 or lower. Hunter Pence has turned back into the average outfielder that he was prior to last year. In September, Marco Scutaro and Brandon Belt have been the team's second- and third-best hitters, and both are rocking BABIP's well above their previously established norms.



Despite this lack of depth, which has forced the team to play retreads Gregor Blanco and Xavier Nady down the stretch, the team has chosen to sit atop Mount Pious and banish Melky Cabrera from even having a shot to contribute in the postseason. This shortsighted decision will leave them either playing the Blanco/Nady combo in left, or pushing Belt and Posey to suboptimal defensive positions -- Belt in left and Posey at first -- so that Hector Sanchez and his 2.3 walk rate (lowest in the NL among those with at least 200 plate appearances) can catch. Neither option is palatable, and even if Cabrera wasn't 100 percent when he came back, he would have been a better contributor than Blanco, Nady or Sanchez. This lack of depth offensively would also be felt in a major way if San Francisco were to ultimately reach the World Series, as they do not have an obvious candidate for designated hitter.



Reaching the World Series seems a bit far-fetched at this point, however. Pitching becomes paramount in the postseason, and at this point the Giants rotation essentially amounts to "Bumgarner, Cain and pray for rain." Both starters have pitched consistently well throughout the season, but after that, things get shaky. On Sunday, Tim Lincecum became just the 11th pitcher in Petco Park history to allow three or more home runs in a single outing, and after the game he had to confirm that he would actually be part of the postseason starting rotation. That this was even a question shows how far the two-time Cy Young Award winner has fallen. His 4.19 FIP is more than a half-run worse than his rookie season and is by far the worst mark of his career. The picture isn't much rosier for Ryan Vogelsong. While the right-hander has better numbers for the season, he has been cuffed around lately. After compiling a 2.36 first-half ERA, he has struggled to a 5.11 ERA since the All-Star break.

Relief efforts
A look at how each contender has fared in terms of shutdowns verus meltdowns.

Team SD/MD MLB Rank
Orioles 2.75 1
Braves 2.72 2
Athletics 2.57 3
Rangers 2.50 4
Rays 2.42 5
Dodgers 2.23 6
Nationals 2.15 7
Reds 2.08 8
Yankees 1.98 12
Tigers 1.81 15
White Sox 1.67 18
Giants 1.48 22
Angels 1.37 25
Cardinals 1.36 26
In most seasons, this might not be as big of an issue, as the Giants generally have a rock-solid bullpen. That has not been the case this season. Looking at shutdowns and meltdowns, which is a more evolved measuring stick than saves and blown saves, the Giants have one of the worst bullpens in the game, a sharp contrast to the past two seasons. Their SD/MD ratio is 22nd overall and ranks 12th among the 14 teams who have either clinched postseason berths or are still in the running (see table). Looking at context neutral wins, or WPA/LI, which is also a great way to look at reliever performance, we can see the Giants have slid here as well. In 2010 and 2011, they produced top-10 units, but this season they have slipped all the way to 28th in baseball -- only the Cubs and Astros have been worse.



It's not hard to see why. The team's best reliever, Sergio Romo, has to be treated with kid gloves. The fragile righty has averaged well under an inning per appearance in his career, and has never thrown more than 62 innings in the regular season. This season, he has logged appearances on three straight days only twice -- once in mid-May, and then again right after the All-Star break, when he had a few extra days of rest. Romo is terrific when he pitches, but on days that he is unavailable, the Giants bullpen is woefully thin. Jeremy Affeldt has 16 shutdowns against 15 meltdowns this season, and he may be the next-best option. Rookie George Kontos is the only other pitcher in the zip code, and he has more meltdowns than shutdowns for the season himself.



Despite the lack of depth, the Giants have been at their best this month -- their .704 September winning percentage (19- is their best of the season. But that is a bit misleading, as they have played cream puffs or familiar division rivals the entire month. The only time this month that their opponent was playing for something was during a three-game set with the Dodgers. Good teams have to throttle the bad competition, and the Giants have done that, going 43-40 (while being outscored) against teams that are .500 or better, and 50-26 against everyone else.



Technically, every team that reaches October has a chance to win the World Series, simply because they have a ticket to the dance. But while the Giants have punched their dance card, it may be quickly discarded. Posey, Matt and Bumgarner are three of baseball's best players, but outside of them, the Giants have very few sure things. The Giants have scored plenty of runs in the second half, but many of their hitters are playing over their heads, and the overall depth is still thin. The same is true of the team's pitching, and on nights when Lincecum and Vogelsong pitch, San Francisco will likely need to ladle on the runs in order to win. Every team has a shot to win, but even though they will avoid the play-in game, the Giants will face longer odds than their National League counterparts this October.
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2010 all over again. :lol:

But he's right. Pitching is not even close to what it was in 2010. But they are still capable.
 
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San Francisco Giants Lineup
Pagan, CF
Scutaro, 2B
Sandoval, 3B
Posey, C
Pence, RF
Belt, 1B
Nady, LF
Crawford, SS
Cain, RHP

Los Angeles Dodgers Lineup
Ellis, 2B
Ethier, RF
Kemp, CF
Gonzalez, 1B
Ramirez, SS
Victorino, LF
Cruz, 3B
Ellis, C
Harang, RHP
 
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