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you dont want that natural born loser especially if it cost you a major piece which it will.
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you dont want that natural born loser especially if it cost you a major piece which it will.
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OK, then I agree with you.
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lmfaooooo don't act like that bro!
I disagree that harden's assists are inflated so actually we agree on everything
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Putting on my flame suit as I type this ..
TMac 02-03 > Russ
32/6/5 led Grant hill less team to 42-40 record and took the 1st seed pistons to 7 games
TMac 02-03 > Russ
32/6/5 led Grant hill less team to 42-40 record and took the 1st seed pistons to 7 games
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And there you have it. Many people have expressed this reasoning plenty of times before in this thread under what criteria and MVP should be voting within, and
100027
has so far given the best description. The MVP is given out every year on a case-by-case basis. It's never solely contingent upon an individuals raw numbers. History has always shown this to be true. It's been incredibly consistent.
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He's only a "loser" because he's played on bad teams.
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Wall is actually one of the few PG's in the league who this strategy would work with all things considered.
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Yup. He and Russ can both get it and go.
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history does show that every mvp was on a top 3 record team tho
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no no no
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MJ wasn't in 88, 7th best record in the league. There is no absolute rule that always happens like you guys say there is. The majority of the time yes it's skewed to best player on the best team, but there have been exceptions.
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It pretty much does. In fact the only 3 seeds to win it since 1985 were Karl Malone in 1999 and Jordan in 1988.
Everyone else was a 1 or 2 seed.
(Also the Jazz were only 3 seed because of a tiebreak)
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I was going to say this too...Putting on my flame suit as I type this ..
TMac 02-03 > Russ
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He's a great passer and MDA system does inflate stats. 2 things can be right.
If you told me it's was the personnel than I would say ok. But I firmly believe he would be putting up the same numbers without pringles. FYI, the last 40 games of last season he averaged 30 and 10. That was with Bickerstaff being the coach
Nah he wouldn't be averaging these assist w/o MDA. I don't see how you can say that.
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Ah come on man.
If you're going to make that statement don't let "all led their teams to a top 5 seed" be the thing that makes it so.
Russ will probably be a top 5 seed and then your legs are gone.
Make the argument some other way.
Wain a manute, aren't you 20 years old?
How can you add in a 2006 and 2009 year and say they were better?
You were like 9 bruh
You were watching Ball like that at 9 and 12 years old, and remembering enough to say >.
Come on Ty, I'm going to have to hit you with the start all over broski.
start all over
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16 Curry
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Undoubtly had better seasons that Russ this year. By every almost every measure.
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Undoubtly had better seasons that Russ this year. By every almost every measure.
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92-93 Charles Barkley: Best record in NBA
93-94 Hakeem Olajuwon: 2nd best record in NBA
94-95 David Robinson: Best record in NBA
96-97 Karl Malone: 2nd best record in NBA
98-99 Karl Malone: Tied for best record in NBA
05-06 Steve Nash: 4th best record in NBA (without Amare and led his team in almost every team statistical category in offense)
06-07 Dirk Nowitzki: Best record in NBA
10-11 Derrick Rose: Best record in NBA
13-14 Kevin Durant: 2nd best record in NBA
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You have ZERO objectivity on this subject.
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He still won 50 games that season
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When has there been an MVP on a non top-3 team? When was the last time?
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lolAh come on man.
If you're going to make that statement don't let "all led their teams to a top 5 seed" be the thing that makes it so.
Russ will probably be a top 5 seed and then your legs are gone.
Make the argument some other way.
Wain a manute, aren't you 20 years old?
How can you add in a 2006 and 2009 year and say they were better?
You were like 9 bruh
You were watching Ball like that at 9 and 12 years old, and remembering enough to say >.
Come on Ty, I'm going to have to hit you with the start all over broski.
start all over
the 5 seed thing wasn't the end all be all of my argument
but are you saying russ is having a better season than those guys because he's getting inflated rebounds and averaging 30 points and 10 assists on historically high usage?
by almost every metric those guys had better seasons than russ
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Also, crazy fact:
From 1978 to 2016, Karl Malone was the ONLY MVP winner have single digit win shares.
In 1998-1999 Karl Malone had 9.6 win shares (lockout year). The last person to have a single digit win share before him was Bill Walton in 77-78 season with 8.4 win shares
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