Official 2016-2017 NBA Season Thread - NBA rules Chris Bosh has a career ending injury

Who is the MVP?

  • Russell Westbrook

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  • Kawhi Leonard

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  • James Harden

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  • Lebron James

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  • Kevin Durant

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the cavs record without lebron since 2015 is extremely bad
i think they've won like 1 game
so i'm not sure they'd be a 5 seed
and they are definitely a top 3 team in the league that isn't debatable
 
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Kobe's DBPM in '05-'06: -1.5
Nash's DBPM in '05-'06: -1.6

Wasn't exactly merit-based.

When is the last time you hooped bro?

You're really turning into sea manup. You slander the vast majority of players/teams around the league, but as soon as someone says something about Kobe you go straight to the same dumb "you don't hoop" argument.
 
What exactly is an empty rebound for a 6'3 guard? not to mention those "empty" rebounds literally is a playcall for OKC's Offense, get the rebound push the pace and create an open shot.

Westbrook isn’t achieving his insane rebound totals at the expense of the Thunder’s opponents. He’s grabbing all those rebounds from his own teammates. As a Reddit user recently pointed out, most of the increase in Westbrook’s rebounding this season comes on uncontested defensive rebounds—those for which no opposing player makes an attempt at the ball. Westbrook leads the league in that stat, coming in ahead of big men like Anthony Davis, Andre Drummond, DeAndre Jordan, and Hassan Whiteside.
If several Thunder players can grab the ball, why is Westbrook always the one who does? It may be a matter of scheme or coaching rather than selfishness. Whether they’ve been told to clear the runway for Westbrook or not, Westbrook’s teammates are certainly on board. “We’d rather it be him [getting the rebound],” Steven Adams told ESPN’s Royce Young earlier this year.

Might this be a smart strategic choice? Westbrook is an offensive dynamo, so getting the ball in his hands as quickly as possible could help create fast-break opportunities and open shots. The numbers, though, don’t suggest that Westbrook’s defensive boards are especially valuable. In general, we know that uncontested boards are worth about half as much to an NBA team as contested ones. With regard to Westbrook specifically, the Thunder averages 1.079 points per possession after he grabs a defensive rebound. When someone else on the team gets the rebound with Westbrook on the floor, the team gets 1.065 points per possession. That’s a difference of a little more than 1 point per 100 possessions—small enough to be inconsequential. And if you look at other indexes of offensive success (like turnovers or shooting percentage), there is no ironclad statistical evidence that Westbrook grabbing the defensive board helps the Thunder offense in any way.
 
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they aren't empty rebounds but they definitely are inflated
same way mamba says hardens assists are inflated
 
Also for those who are against russ winning it, would ya'll have been Okay with KD winning? i mean he would have been the best player on a historically good Offense, and the best Perimeter defender on the #1 defense. yet before he was injured people were scoffing at the thought of him winning.
 
Kyrie is trash. Thank God for LeBron saving his career and dragging him to that shot over Curry.
IDK if you're being sarcastic or not, but I don't think Kyrie is that great.  Especially considering how terrible he is on defense.  He did have a great performance in the last 4 games of the finals, but that's been the exception that's kept the hype going.
 
IDK if you're being sarcastic or not, but I don't think Kyrie is that great.  Especially considering how terrible he is on defense.  He did have a great performance in the last 4 games of the finals, but that's been the exception that's kept the hype going.

I'm dead serious. Kyrie would be great if he played SG. As a PG though he's garbage.
 
Harden averaged 8 apg in an ISO offense. Nothing inflated about him getting more assists in a structured offense.

Nash went from averaging 7.2 assists a game (in 7 seasons) in Dallas to 11.1 in PHX (4 seasons) under MDA. He went from 8.8 his last year in Dallas to 11.5 His first year in Phoenix. Sound familiar? It's irrefutable to say the system doesn't inflate assist numbers. Even Jeremy Lin got a boost of 2 assists a game.
 
Kyrie is great at being a #2 option

Don't take for granted how talented of a scorer he is.
He's a pretty good #2.  And it helps that LeBron is the primary playmaker as well so he can focus on scoring.  I wouldn't want him as my lead PG though.  Obviously he has to play PG because having him on SGs would be very bad.
 
If several Thunder players can grab the ball, why is Westbrook always the one who does? It may be a matter of scheme or coaching rather than selfishness. Whether they’ve been told to clear the runway for Westbrook or not, Westbrook’s teammates are certainly on board. “We’d rather it be him [getting the rebound],” Steven Adams told ESPN’s Royce Young earlier this year.

This is the most important part, the team is shifting their focus to put him in the best position to do what he does best, which in turn allows the team to do better. so no he isn't skying over 7 footers for every bound but how can we knock him for his stats being boosted because the system promotes him doing it.

It's like us penalizing Harden assist because Dantoni runs a fast pace offense, or penalizing Lebrons assist because the system he's in encourages pushing the rock and taking a lot of threes. The systems help with the stats a bit but that system is only in place because the players have exceptional skills to complete it.
 
Nash went from averaging 7.2 assists a game (in 7 seasons) in Dallas to 11.1 in PHX (4 seasons) under MDA. He went from 8.8 his last year in Dallas to 11.5 His first year in Phoenix. Sound familiar? It's irrefutable to say the system doesn't inflate assist numbers. Even Jeremy Lin got a boost of 2 assists a game.

He flat out passing the ball more, nothing more nothing less. He's been a great passer since high school.
 
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