Official 2017 NBA Offseason Thread: Media Days begin

[toneagain]

It took him 14 shots to average 17 points per...on a team where he played 36 minutes and had a green light.

And somehow he's going to be some dynamic scorer in LESS time...in the finals at that?

Aight man.

What you fail to understand here is that they probably don't even make it to the finals with Wiggins in place of Love. Who's spacing the floor for Lebron James? Damn sure wouldn't be Wiggins. Or perhaps a 32 year old Channing Frye could have been counted on for 30+ minutes and replicated Kevin Love's role just fine.

dude already answered this by explaining your comparing a team that's lead at the point by rubio, and not bron who would put wiggins in more advantageous positions to shine, and wiggins shot 30 percent to loves 36 percent from 3, so it's more likely than not wiggins percentage can go up with more open looks playing along side bron and give him spacing, while also have a credible threat of a wing player that can take you off the dribble, and a better defender than love, you get 6 percent better 3 ball and rebounds, but no defense or athleticism

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Kiwi Gardner won a chip with the warriors

I just read up more on his life... it's really sad that a lot of these guys get offers at universities but they aren't eligible due to academics

Such B.S.

Ish is literally life changing for the worse

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Agree with PCH that Lebby never comes if Love isn't in place

if Wiggins had Lebby setting up the offense his game would look a lot different

How? He can't shoot.

What use is Andrew Wiggins of to Lebron in a half court setting?

 

[toneagain]

How? He can't shoot.

What use is Andrew Wiggins of to Lebron in a half court setting?

he shot 45 percent and 30 from 3, same year love was shooting 41 and 36 from 3
love was avg 16 n 9
wig avg 20 n 4
go head you act like wiggins was dropping 13 every game or something, he would have been likely to progress under bron

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Lebby's played and succeeded with non shooters before

Wiggins would be no different and would get ample supply of open looks around the basket and in transition.. not to mention the defense honing in on Lebby and others leaving Wiggins to work on lesser defenders. Again, his game would look a lot different, game plan of the opposition would be focused on others

 

[toneagain]

Lebby's played and succeeded with non shooters before

Wiggins would be no different and would get ample supply of open looks around the basket and in transition.. not to mention the defense honing in on Lebby and others leaving Wiggins to work on lesser defenders. Again, his game would look a lot different, game plan of the opposition would be focused on others

right currently he's the 2nd option, but on the cavs he can get lost in transition

 

[VARNELL HILL]

he shot 45 percent and 30 from 3, same year love was shooting 41 and 36 from 3
love was avg 16 n 9
wig avg 20 n 4
go head you act like wiggins was dropping 13 every game or something, he would have been likely to progress under bron

I'll let you in on a little secret. One of them has a 3 point percentage that is above league average the other has one that's below it.

One of them took 6 per game. The other took less than 2 per.

I'll let you figure out who is who.

This is why it's important to look beneath the surface of basic stats.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Lebby's played and succeeded with non shooters before

Wiggins would be no different and would get ample supply of open looks around the basket and in transition.. not to mention the defense honing in on Lebby and others leaving Wiggins to work on lesser defenders. Again, his game would look a lot different, game plan of the opposition would be focused on others

If Lebron can do that much for a guy that can't shoot...why didn't they just keep Dion Waiters?

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Waiters was a cancer and his on court production wasn't worth the headache

Wiggins in his rookie year was much more valuable than Waiters ever was and ever will be

 

[datznasty]

Kyrie was the cancer. Waiters punched him in the face, but Jarrett Jack and Luol Deng called players only meetings too about Kyrie and his style of play, lack of D, coach favoritism as well and both of those guys are well respected vets in any locker room

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Irving's on court production was worth it though, wasn't it

Waiters' was not. Simple as that. Waiters is destined to be a journeyman for a reason

 

[EddieDoyers]

Kyrie may have been a locker room headache, but he was helping LeBron out the past three years; you can't deny that level of output he did to help make the Cavs a Finals team.

 

[VARNELL HILL]

Waiters was a cancer and his on court production wasn't worth the headache

Wiggins in his rookie year was much more valuable than Waiters ever was and ever will be

Maybe...but back to the original point.

Andrew Wiggins is not AS VALUABLE as Kevin Love to Lebron James & the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2015?

If you or anyone else aren't either arguing for or against this...we not on the same page.

 

[toneagain]

I'll let you in on a little secret. One of them has a 3 point percentage that is above league average the other has one that's below it.

One of them took 6 per game. The other took less than 2 per.

I'll let you figure out who is who.

This is why it's important to look beneath the surface of basic stats.

once shot 30 the other 36, one had rubio setting him up, the other has bron, but keep that quiet

 

[toneagain]

Maybe...but back to the original point.

Andrew Wiggins is not AS VALUABLE as Kevin Love to Lebron James & the Cleveland Cavaliers in 2015?

If you or anyone else aren't either arguing for or against this...we not on the same page.

and the whole point is you keep wiggins and get love when he hits free agency because guess what, they lost and didn't get a ring until the next year

 

[VARNELL HILL]

once shot 30 the other 36, one had rubio setting him up, the other has bron, but keep that quiet

Guess which one had Rubio (barely at that) for 3 years and still shot above average from 3.

You just digging yourself a deeper hole the more you post

and the whole point is you keep wiggins and get love when he hits free agency because guess what, they lost and didn't get a ring until the next year

Don't you think not having Kevin Love played in role in them losing in 2015?

We've already established that Lebron was in WIN NOW mode. What on EARTH makes you think Lebron James at 31 years old has 2016 Free Agency on his agenda when choosing where to play?

 

[toneagain]

Guess which one had Rubio (barely at that) for 3 years and still shot above average from 3.

You just digging yourself a deeper hole the more you post

Don't you think not having Kevin Love played in role in them losing in 2015?

We've already established that Lebron was in WIN NOW mode. What on EARTH makes you think Lebron James at 31 years old has 2016 Free Agency on his agenda when choosing where to play?

ok and now he's about to lose kyrie, so his plan wasn't well thought out, and love was not being lead by rubio, it was love's team he was established wiggins was going into his second year on rubio's team, and that doesn't negate the fact that bron would have been beneficial to wiggins, so throw that dirt back on yourself, not having a bench to go to in 15 hurt them

 

[VARNELL HILL]

I see who I'm talking to now. God Bless man...

 

[toneagain]

I see who I'm talking to now. God Bless man...

g w would say the guy that shot 45 n 30 can't shoot,
naw this more your speed here

stop talking out your ***

 

[antidope]

Where is @wavycrocket to give this man his well deserved title

 

[junglejim]

and the whole point is you keep wiggins and get love when he hits free agency because guess what, they lost and didn't get a ring until the next year

There is this thing called the salary cap. They wouldnt have had space

 

[addict4sneakers]

The difference between 30 and 36% shooting is astronomical. And 4 attempts too.


I see we are still overrating Wiggins

 

[pums]

The difference between 30 and 36% shooting is astronomical. And 4 attempts too.


I see we are still overrating Wiggins

Well aside from that one guy I feel like we are in general ****ting on Wiggins too hard

 

[addict4sneakers]

Well aside from that one guy I feel like we are in general ****ting on Wiggins too hard

Vincent can goat too.

Lebron wasn't making a non shooting rookie better.

 

[leavemeglazzies]

He says "with context", but 3 of those 5 championships in the "5x NBA Champ" column definitely need more context. Otherwise, you can also write "7x NBA champ" next to Robert Horry.

And even without context, there is still no way that

5 x champ
2 x Finals MVP
1 x MVP

is better than

3 x champ
3 x Finals MVP
4 x MVP