Official Dallas Mavericks vs. OKC Thunder (WCF) Thread. Dallas Mavericks Western Conference Champs

[japanair21]

The more I think about it, the more I'm intrigued by the thought of Kidd on Westbrook.

It's a huge disadvantage for us going in, but wasn't Kobe?

I mean, shooting 32% against us, how does that happen?

It's not like we had some Westbrook stopper that went away...

Again, let me state, I expect him to have games where he goes off for 25, 30, but I'm hoping we can shut him down for quite a few of those.

 

[japanair21]

The more I think about it, the more I'm intrigued by the thought of Kidd on Westbrook.

It's a huge disadvantage for us going in, but wasn't Kobe?

I mean, shooting 32% against us, how does that happen?

It's not like we had some Westbrook stopper that went away...

Again, let me state, I expect him to have games where he goes off for 25, 30, but I'm hoping we can shut him down for quite a few of those.

 

[IATT]

contracts matter, since we almost traded for the guy.. so for us who only need rebounding and interior defense, perk works (while also leaving money to keep guys around)


just bare in mind that you dont have ron artest and fisher to cheat off of (yes there is thabo.. but harden plays more)


and who exactly does chandler guard in this series? does he come out on ibaka (thus moving him away from the rim) or does he just stay down low with perk?

 

[IATT]

contracts matter, since we almost traded for the guy.. so for us who only need rebounding and interior defense, perk works (while also leaving money to keep guys around)


just bare in mind that you dont have ron artest and fisher to cheat off of (yes there is thabo.. but harden plays more)


and who exactly does chandler guard in this series? does he come out on ibaka (thus moving him away from the rim) or does he just stay down low with perk?

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

^ and how much is that 'mentaility' going to cost you guys this summer?


perkins contract (plus extension.. including this year):
$6,446,720

$7,123,626

$7,800,531

$8,477,437

$9,154,342



haywood's (again, this year first):
$6,900,000

$7,624,500

$8,349,000

$9,073,500

$9,798,000

$10,522,500

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

^ and how much is that 'mentaility' going to cost you guys this summer?


perkins contract (plus extension.. including this year):
$6,446,720

$7,123,626

$7,800,531

$8,477,437

$9,154,342



haywood's (again, this year first):
$6,900,000

$7,624,500

$8,349,000

$9,073,500

$9,798,000

$10,522,500

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

contracts matter, since we almost traded for the guy.. so for us who only need rebounding and interior defense, perk works (while also leaving money to keep guys around)


just bare in mind that you dont have ron artest and fisher to cheat off of (yes there is thabo.. but harden plays more)


and who exactly does chandler guard in this series? does he come out on ibaka (thus moving him away from the rim) or does he just stay down low with perk?

I'd cheat off Westbrook all damn day at the three point line and if anyone wants to drive Tyson will be waiting because Lord knows we don't have to worry about Perk.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

contracts matter, since we almost traded for the guy.. so for us who only need rebounding and interior defense, perk works (while also leaving money to keep guys around)


just bare in mind that you dont have ron artest and fisher to cheat off of (yes there is thabo.. but harden plays more)


and who exactly does chandler guard in this series? does he come out on ibaka (thus moving him away from the rim) or does he just stay down low with perk?

I'd cheat off Westbrook all damn day at the three point line and if anyone wants to drive Tyson will be waiting because Lord knows we don't have to worry about Perk.

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[japanair21]

Chandler will mostly be a help defender I'd think, but primarily on Perkins. Personally? I don't think Serge has enough footwork to make moves and drive by Dirk, so Dirk will stay on him. Dirk does better against guys his size. He always thrived against Pau, KG, and Duncan. Serge is stronger than those guys ever were though, so we'll see.

I could be completely wrong though.

Other than very easy dunks around the rim, aren't most of his shots little Big-Z-esque 10-15 jumpers?

 

[japanair21]

Chandler will mostly be a help defender I'd think, but primarily on Perkins. Personally? I don't think Serge has enough footwork to make moves and drive by Dirk, so Dirk will stay on him. Dirk does better against guys his size. He always thrived against Pau, KG, and Duncan. Serge is stronger than those guys ever were though, so we'll see.

I could be completely wrong though.

Other than very easy dunks around the rim, aren't most of his shots little Big-Z-esque 10-15 jumpers?

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Other than very easy dunks around the rim, aren't most of his shots little Big-Z-esque 10-15 jumpers?

yup.. but you always put chandler on the better offensive player of the 2 bigs, so i was just curious

 

[IATT]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Other than very easy dunks around the rim, aren't most of his shots little Big-Z-esque 10-15 jumpers?

yup.. but you always put chandler on the better offensive player of the 2 bigs, so i was just curious

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Other than very easy dunks around the rim, aren't most of his shots little Big-Z-esque 10-15 jumpers?

yup.. but you always put chandler on the better offensive player of the 2 bigs, so i was just curious

That's kind of different though.

There is no LaMarcus Aldridge or Bynum in this series, not a knock on you guys, there just isn't.

It could go either way though, but I personally just think that's how it's going to be. Either way, there won't be a huge emphasis of trying to "contain," either Perk OR Serge, it'll be an emphasis on limiting penetration by Westbrook, KD, and Harden; that's what I'm thinking of anyways.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Other than very easy dunks around the rim, aren't most of his shots little Big-Z-esque 10-15 jumpers?

yup.. but you always put chandler on the better offensive player of the 2 bigs, so i was just curious

That's kind of different though.

There is no LaMarcus Aldridge or Bynum in this series, not a knock on you guys, there just isn't.

It could go either way though, but I personally just think that's how it's going to be. Either way, there won't be a huge emphasis of trying to "contain," either Perk OR Serge, it'll be an emphasis on limiting penetration by Westbrook, KD, and Harden; that's what I'm thinking of anyways.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

Do the math Haywood and Perk cost damn near the same and say what you want the are an equivalent player and Haywood doesn't have knee issue.

Collison for 20 million over 5 years is nuts.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

Do the math Haywood and Perk cost damn near the same and say what you want the are an equivalent player and Haywood doesn't have knee issue.

Collison for 20 million over 5 years is nuts.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

Do the math Haywood and Perk cost damn near the same and say what you want the are an equivalent player and Haywood doesn't have knee issue.

Collison for 20 million over 5 years is nuts.

Out of proportion.

Collison is fine at that contract.

And Perk is better than Haywood. Haywood is taller and a bit longer, but Perk is better, just has injury issues recently.

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Wrong, Haywood's last year isn't guaranteed at all, ie Erick Dampier 10-11 salary which allowed us to get Tyson.

Don't speak on what you don't know about.

You want to post bad contracts post Collison's.

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

Do the math Haywood and Perk cost damn near the same and say what you want the are an equivalent player and Haywood doesn't have knee issue.

Collison for 20 million over 5 years is nuts.

Out of proportion.

Collison is fine at that contract.

And Perk is better than Haywood. Haywood is taller and a bit longer, but Perk is better, just has injury issues recently.

 

[IATT]

^ yes real bad contract.. our terrible GM used our excess cap space to front load a guys contract and thus get him for cheap for the next 4 years, yup he should be fired 

 

[IATT]

^ yes real bad contract.. our terrible GM used our excess cap space to front load a guys contract and thus get him for cheap for the next 4 years, yup he should be fired 

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

Do the math Haywood and Perk cost damn near the same and say what you want the are an equivalent player and Haywood doesn't have knee issue.

Collison for 20 million over 5 years is nuts.

Out of proportion.

Collison is fine at that contract.

And Perk is better than Haywood. Haywood is taller and a bit longer, but Perk is better, just has injury issues recently.

I disagree if we were talking about 2008 Perk sure but dude has been hurt for a year now. Dude says his knee is only 65% now. He's big as hell it ain't like that $@#! is going to get better as he ages.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by SneakerPro

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

my bad.. 1 year

and for collison:
[table][tr][td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$13,250,000 [/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$3,272,997[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,929,332[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,585,668[/font]
[/td] [td]
[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]$2,242,003[/font]
[/td][/tr][/table]

Do the math Haywood and Perk cost damn near the same and say what you want the are an equivalent player and Haywood doesn't have knee issue.

Collison for 20 million over 5 years is nuts.

Out of proportion.

Collison is fine at that contract.

And Perk is better than Haywood. Haywood is taller and a bit longer, but Perk is better, just has injury issues recently.

I disagree if we were talking about 2008 Perk sure but dude has been hurt for a year now. Dude says his knee is only 65% now. He's big as hell it ain't like that $@#! is going to get better as he ages.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Originally Posted by itsaboutthattime

^ yes real bad contract.. our terrible GM used our excess cap space to front load a guys contract and thus get him for cheap for the next 4 years, yup he should be fired 

Bottom line I nor do I think any other GM would give Nick Collison 20 million over 5 years.

Edit-The only reason I'm arguing about contracts is dude posted that line "how much is that mentality going to help yall this summer" like them dude have a ton of space to work with to secure free agents.

Hell if the MLE is still around yall have a whopping 3 millionish dollars more to sign a single player.

As long as Dirk, Terry and Kidd are here we ain't gonna have cap space anyways.