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[SneakerProSr.]

I've haven't read the books but I have read the wiki and spoilers and the show is veering left so I have no idea what is next

 

[tdogg2k]

But it seems like your more interested in arguing the imaginary Rusty in your head, and as opposed to one posting on NT

No disrespect but don't flatter yourself.

I've been typing what i've typed about this for Sunday night, responding to all that I see (I admit I skip pages when im on my mobile app because I dont feel like scrolling)
But it's cool I won't quote you again, don't want to argue with only Rusty.....
NEXT
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Found this article. from someone who writes for one of the major GOT sites (i think westeros.org)

Since the episode aired all hell broke loose online. Some people claim this was not the rape. Let’s make one thing clear – this was a rape. She never said no. She had no choice. Just because it was not graphic it doesn’t mean it was consensual. Some people are happy about it because “the ***** deserved it”. These people are exactly the reason what is so wrong and terrifying about humanity in general. Some people are wondering what was the alternative here – Ramsey being kind to her? No. If Ramsey was kind to her then that would be the exact same reason I find this episode problematic in the first place, because, you know, it is out of Ramsey’s character just as it was out of Sansa’s character to get raped. Stay with me. Ramsey is not kind. Ramsey is a psychopath. Sansa used to be a victim. But Sansa is no longer a victim, except, she is. This does not work. Sansa is not a Schrödinger’s cat. She cannot be a victim and not be a victim at the same time. She is or she is not. And, given the context laid out for us during the last season, she stopped being a victim. So, once again, the problem of this episode is not the rape, as such, but the fact that the show creators made a decision of destroying the character they invested three years and 30 hours of television program in. Why? Because just 3 minutes before said rape, Sansa handled Miranda like a pro. That is what they built her for. That is what she is or was suppose to become – a person capable of handling all kind of people, Ramsey included. So in best case scenario Sansa should’ve seduce him and mess with his head. NOT BECOME A VICTIM again. Days of her victimization were over and done with in 2014. Going back to it, moving backwards is a narrative suicide, respectively. So, if you think that act of rape is what THE problem here is, I am forced to notice that you have totally missed the point. This is Game of Thrones, a series that made its name on rape, incest, bloodshed, injustice and all kind of other atrocities and if you cannot handle these atrocities, if you are outraged because a girl/boy/woman/man got raped, then I don’t know what to tell you except, perhaps, that you should go and watch Glee.

 

[RustyShackleford]

^^^ Jesus Christ you're defensive.

 

[lawdog1]

^^^ That article is interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with one of the main points it makes. Its entirely possible for someone to be a victim, then not a victim, then a victim again. It happens all the time and has happened in this show to others. Empowerment is a process and can go in fits and starts. That's how it went for Dany with Drogo. Just because this happened to Sansa doesn't mean she isn't going to continue on her overall path of toughening up and trying to control her own destiny. Its unrealistic to suggest that a virgin that's never been with anyone in that way can seduce and manipulate a full blown psychopath like Ramsay. I'm not saying there's not viable alternatives to what ended up happening in the show, but that seduction scenario isn't one of them. I also don't think what did happen somehow wipes out everything else about the way Sansa's character has been developing over the last two seasons.

 

[celticspride34]

It's perfectly acceptable to recreate: war, incest, mass murder, political war games, religious sacrifice, disowning of children, and arrainged marriages...

But rape... Rape is wrong...

 

[elecrelaxation]

 

 

 

 

 
She'll be byke

all this fabricated outrage has been amusing

just imagine if they actually showed the sex

I get it was a graphic scene...But cmon, you can't really complain about that scene when the entire show is filled sex.

What about when Joffrey killed that red-headed wench with the crossbow or Tyrion choking out his wife? Cmon now.

Khal Drogo and Khaleesi on their first night together? Cmon now. She was crying and dying lol.

Bruh i'm a human being with opinions, how you gon tell me what i can and can't like?

If I don't like a show, I normally just say I don't like it.

I don't try to pressure the writer and directors to censor themselves.  Stop trying to turn HBO into NBC.

 

[Barbados Slim]

You must have forgotten what the blow back was like when Cersei, one of the most hated characters in the show's history, was raped and the writers started copping pleas.

"It wasn't a rape scene!" (Even though she audibly said no several times and he forcibly said yes and ignored her.)

This "it's just because it's Sansa" argument makes me wonder if all of you in the pro-rape-scene crowd has been watching/paying attention.

"Pro rape scene"?

 Nice try.

Just because I'm not mad makes me "pro rape scene"? 

Also in my post I said that there would be outrage, but not as much as Sansa's. The Cersie/Jamie scene didn't nearly have the same outrage. Like you said the directories stated that they messed up, it was miss-shot and they didn't intend for it to come off as rape, but the Sansa scene was clearly rape. Second,a lot of the outrage was from book readers complaining that the scene was better in the books and how dare they change it. Third, I don't recall a single person saying they were done watching the show after the Cersie scene, when this one clearly seems to be the straw that broke the camels back. 

Anyway it's whatever. This season has been meh so far and I have issues with some of the plot holes, but I'll continue watching.

 

[Easy Money]

It's perfectly acceptable to recreate: war, incest, mass murder, political war games, religious sacrifice, disowning of children, and arrainged marriages...

But rape... Rape is wrong...

Ikr. And its not even the first rape scene.

 

[mexicansole]

Its part of the STORY, it was meant to hurt cuz Sansa had been at the edge plenty of times but always saved by someone interested in her.... I will NEVER condone RAPE but it is a SHOW with fictional characters.

 

[tdogg2k]

^^^ That article is interesting, but I'm not sure I agree with one of the main points it makes. Its entirely possible for someone to be a victim, then not a victim, then a victim again. It happens all the time and has happened in this show to others. Empowerment is a process and can go in fits and starts. That's how it went for Dany with Drogo. Just because this happened to Sansa doesn't mean she isn't going to continue on her overall path of toughening up and trying to control her own destiny. Its unrealistic to suggest that a virgin that's never been with anyone in that way can seduce and manipulate a full blown psychopath like Ramsay. I'm not saying there's not viable alternatives to what ended up happening in the show, but that seduction scenario isn't one of them. I also don't think what did happen somehow wipes out everything else about the way Sansa's character has been developing over the last two seasons.

I'll PM you the whole article if you're interested
that was just a snippet

 

[tomdiginson]

Good God some of y'all need to pull y'all skirt down. It's a damn show. Stop taking it personal. We get it, rape is disgusting, but look how many other crimes are committed in this show.

 

[rolaholic]

 

It's perfectly acceptable to recreate: war, incest, mass murder, political war games, religious sacrifice, disowning of children, and arrainged marriages...

But rape... Rape is wrong...

Ikr. And its not even the first rape scene.

Dany was raped during the first 2-3 episodes if I remember correctly...

The show has had it's fair share extreme moments so I'm a little surprised at the level of outrage now. Makes a little sense since Sansa has usually been protected since she's one of the main characters and to see her get violated like that might be too much for some but worse things have been shown on the show. Infanticide being one of them.

Hopefully it kick starts her vengeful/ruthless phase that Arya's already gone through.

 

[celticspride34]

Exactly... Its a ******* TV show ...

 

[change the name Snyder]

Exactly... Its a ******* TV show

...

bingo, but this thread is way too full of feels right now, and pent up rage over fiction. 

The show didn't have the following it has now when Dany's eyes were watering as Khal was blowing her back out, but i wonder what type of outrage

that would have stirred up today. 

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

Good God some of y'all need to pull y'all skirt down. It's a damn show. Stop taking it personal. We get it, rape is disgusting, but look how many other crimes are committed in this show.

This

I also agree with that article TDogg posted.

 

[RustyShackleford]

The last three post are so stupid. So people are not allowed to get upset by something they see on a TV show

Since when have their been rules about you suppose to react to a TV show

You brahs can't see how idiotic that sounds

-What you getting excited/mad/happy/sad/ inset any other emotional for, it is just a TV show

Miss me with that nonsense brahs

 

[rolaholic]

I'm not saying people shouldn't be or can't be offended 

. Just surprised that this has become headline news for a show that has always been known for pushing the envelope.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm not saying people shouldn't be or can't be offended  . Just surprised that this has become headline news for a show that has always been known for pushing the envelope.

3 up brah

I count twice that way I wouldn't include your comment. I feel what you're saying

 

[elecrelaxation]

The last three post are so stupid. So people are not allowed to get upset by something they see on a TV show

Since when have their been rules about you suppose to react to a TV show

You brahs have no idea how condescending and idiotic that sounds

What you getting excited/mad/happy/sad/ inset any other emotional for, it is just a TV show

You guys are taking it outside the context of the actual show which is the problem. Which is an entirely different type of discussion and one about what type of artistic rights do the writers and directors have over their own show.

You guys are saying the writers shouldn't have done this, not that Ramsay shouldn't have done this. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[TipsyMcStagga]

The last three post are so stupid. So people are not allowed to get upset by something they see on a TV show

Since when have their been rules about you suppose to react to a TV show

You brahs can't see how idiotic that sounds

-What you getting excited/mad/happy/sad/ inset any other emotional for, it is just a TV show

Miss me with that nonsense brahs

No one said someone isn't "allowed" to. All I'm saying is I don't understand it, especially after all the other things that have gone down in this show.

Personally I know how to seperate fiction from real life but I also realize people are uber sensitive now a days.

 

[rolaholic]

I'm not saying people shouldn't be or can't be offended  . Just surprised that this has become headline news for a show that has always been known for pushing the envelope.

3 up brah

I count twice that way I wouldn't include your comment. I feel what you're saying

 

[Mark Antony]

Maybe these dudes are meshing all the comments from the mildly perturbed to the extreme who are lambasting it and that won't watch it anymore. Only way it makes sense for folks to be going so hard over someone basically saying "I didn't really like the scene".

 

[RustyShackleford]

The last three post are so stupid. So people are not allowed to get upset by something they see on a TV show

Since when have their been rules about you suppose to react to a TV show

You brahs can't see how idiotic that sounds

-What you getting excited/mad/happy/sad/ inset any other emotional for, it is just a TV show

Miss me with that nonsense brahs

No one said someone isn't "allowed" to. All I'm saying is I don't understand it, especially after all the other things that have gone down in this show.

Personally I know how to seperate fiction from real life but I also realize people are uber sensitive now a days.

Brah read back at the comments of people that said they didn't like the scene. I don't see many over reacting, or being overly sensitive, or taking it personal

They just saying they didn't like it, could be for many reason or singular one.

If you disagree on their points, fine. But some are just dismissing it that dudes crying in a corner and being ridiculous

Ain't none of that going on

It is like all the nonsense that is going of all over the internet is being dropped on the few in this thread that are simply saying they didn't like the scene

 

[harlemtothebronx]

Maybe these dudes are meshing all the comments from the mildly perturbed to the extreme who are lambasting it and that won't watch it anymore. Only way it makes sense for folks to be going so hard over someone basically saying "I didn't really like the scene".

That's gotta be it...'cause when I came in here Monday morning and said that scene was hard to watch...woo boy, did I get backlash.

 

[celticspride34]

The last three post are so stupid. So people are not allowed to get upset by something they see on a TV show

Since when have their been rules about you suppose to react to a TV show

You brahs can't see how idiotic that sounds

-What you getting excited/mad/happy/sad/ inset any other emotional for, it is just a TV show

Miss me with that nonsense brahs

Hey now ...

I watch GoT because it causes those feels... Its a tremendous show because of it... I love that when I watched the episode today, I just sat there and stared through the credits...

My comment based upon people getting real life butt hurt about it... And those that feel as though it shouldn't be a plot line period...