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This game was a fluke, Flyers close it out Friday.
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This game was a fluke, Flyers close it out Friday.
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WHAT A SHOT BY TURRIS!
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!$%!%!# Stephan fanned and caused that whole thing
Stop playing like pansies when you have a lead or we going home
Stop playing like pansies when you have a lead or we going home
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damn for being a 1st round bust; Turris has found a nice little niche on the Sens team
best of 3
best of 3
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@##% man, again?
That was probably the easiest chance for Lund too.
Back to NY ties 2 a piece.
That was probably the easiest chance for Lund too.
Back to NY ties 2 a piece.
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sens with the comeback in OT
$%%!$*@ snipe, wowzers
$%%!$*@ snipe, wowzers
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What a great finish in Ottawa.
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Vegas has the Sens as 40:1 to win the cup; that means they are given no chance...you know what I mean
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Damn.
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I. Bryzgalov 18 5 13 .722 23:07 0
S. Bobrovsky 18 5 13 .722 36:53 0
lulz...what are the odds?!
S. Bobrovsky 18 5 13 .722 36:53 0
lulz...what are the odds?!
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I. Bryzgalov 18 5 13 .722 23:07 0
S. Bobrovsky 18 5 13 .722 36:53 0
lulz...what are the odds
LETS GO KINGS!
S. Bobrovsky 18 5 13 .722 36:53 0
lulz...what are the odds
LETS GO KINGS!
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KOPITAAAAAARRRR...he can do more than pass, folks!
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Great game Sens
what a shot by Turris
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I still think the Turris trade was an overpayment..but hey.
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Enough jokes about my yard and garden. I may post a pic to show, it's looking good
Nah I had a game tonight but the wife called to tell me it was 9-3 when I was in the locker room. Crazy. Still too early to look for the miracle, offense hasn't been the problem
Nah I had a game tonight but the wife called to tell me it was 9-3 when I was in the locker room. Crazy. Still too early to look for the miracle, offense hasn't been the problem
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ohhhh baby...come on brownie....!
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I was the few people who thought the Turris trade was fine...I was actually with Rundblad the night before with a few others at the bar getting black out. He left at 9am the following day still drunk to Pheonix (Theyll need him soon enough, a less talented Karlsson but still a strong player as seen in his Elite League days). You wouldnt believe how much Turris is happy with where he is, and etc and it shows with his play (most nights anyways). Him and his girlfriend loves it in Ottawa and the organization so he comes ready to play everyday. Expect to see more of him as he develops in the right organization.
In the meantime... my boy Andre Petersson is a blace ace and if we advance, i'm sure hell get the call to dress as some guys might be too banged up.. Also, Jakob Silfverberg will be on his way after his playoffs are done. This kid is the second youngest player to ever win MVP in the Elite, last person was Peter Forsberg.
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In the meantime... my boy Andre Petersson is a blace ace and if we advance, i'm sure hell get the call to dress as some guys might be too banged up.. Also, Jakob Silfverberg will be on his way after his playoffs are done. This kid is the second youngest player to ever win MVP in the Elite, last person was Peter Forsberg.
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i was at the kings game tonight, they goofed smh
while i highly doubt they pull a 2010 boston bruins, you don't want to give the canucks any type of breathing room and another home game.
i don't like the long break between games 4 and 5 either.
while i highly doubt they pull a 2010 boston bruins, you don't want to give the canucks any type of breathing room and another home game.
i don't like the long break between games 4 and 5 either.
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My dude HBKid is like The Game w. all this name dropping
If the refs can find a medium between the way they called Game 3 and how they called Game 4, the series would be MUCH better between the Pens/Flyers. Last night was an utter disgrace. I understand that they wanted to be vigilant in how they were blowing the whistles...but they were OD. Let the boys play a little bit out there.
Caps/Bruins game 4 tonight....No Backstrom = No bueno.
I think the B's take this 4-2.
If the refs can find a medium between the way they called Game 3 and how they called Game 4, the series would be MUCH better between the Pens/Flyers. Last night was an utter disgrace. I understand that they wanted to be vigilant in how they were blowing the whistles...but they were OD. Let the boys play a little bit out there.
Caps/Bruins game 4 tonight....No Backstrom = No bueno.
I think the B's take this 4-2.
I. Bryzgalov 18 5 13 .722 23:07 0
S. Bobrovsky 18 5 13 .722 36:53 0
lulz...what are the odds?!
And just think....Bryz is only under contract for the next 10 years or so
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Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
My dude HBKid is like The Game w. all this name dropping
If the refs can find a medium between the way they called Game 3 and how they called Game 4, the series would be MUCH better between the Pens/Flyers. Last night was an utter disgrace. I understand that they wanted to be vigilant in how they were blowing the whistles...but they were OD. Let the boys play a little bit out there.
Caps/Bruins game 4 tonight....No Backstrom = No bueno.
I think the B's take this 4-2.
And just think....Bryz is only under contract for the next 10 years or so
I'm not that worried about Bryz; all goalies have been terrible and a lot of his goals aren't his fault...my fear is the soft ones he has let up; reminds me of Hextall
This article is premature but a good read on what might happen with Luongo this summer.
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It was the kind of save that changes the course of a game. And if the Vancouver Canucks can pull off a miraculous comeback, a series.
With 14:37 left in the third period of last night's game between the Kings and Canucks, Dustin Brown skated to center ice for a penalty shot. Until this point, he'd been dominant for the Kings, who were looking to clinch a Game 4 sweep at home last night.
Brown already has four goals in four playoff games and two of them came short-handed. People still point to his hit on Henrik Sedin earlier in the series as the kind of clean, physical momentum-changer that hockey needs, contrasting it against the Raffi Torres ugliness.
A goal on the penalty shot, during the Kings' penalty kill no less, would have fit the narrative of this series perfectly.
But Cory Schneider was waiting. He aggressively came out to play Brown, didn't bite enough on his first fake and got enough of a push to stop Brown's shot. It was a game-saver, the most important save of many for Schneider in this game.
The Canucks won 3-1, avoiding the sweep. It was Schneider's second consecutive start in the series and it was his second consecutive strong start. He finished with 43 saves on 44 shots, putting his postseason record at 1-1, with a 1.01 goals-against average and .969 save percentage. The man he replaced, Roberto Luongo, is 0-2 with a 3.59 goals-against and .891 save percentage.
The biggest thing for Schneider was his comfort level on the road. Last year during the finals, if Luongo had been even average in Boston, the Canucks probably win the Stanley Cup. In this road game, Schneider was especially strong early. The Kings outshot the Canucks 31-16 in the first two periods, scoring just once. When the Canucks finally got going, their goalie had played well enough to keep them in the game.
"That's what a goalie is there for, especially on the road," Schneider told reporters afterwards. "It's a first step we had to have and we can worry about the next one."
If he keeps this up, it's almost impossible to trade him during the offseason. It probably is already. He's a well-liked player in that dressing room and the Canucks want to play for him.
"[Schneider] really is a popular guy," said one NHL source. "Not that [Luongo] isn't. He's a different kind of guy."
Jeff Vinnick/Getty ImagesSchneider's recent play has left the Canucks no choice but to try to keep him this offseason.
Now, the Canucks must draw up a plan that includes keeping Schneider and moving Luongo. It's not an easy proposition.
In September 2009, Luongo signed a 12-year contract that extends through the 2021-2022 season. It comes with an average salary cap hit of $5.33 million per season. The big payday came last season when Luongo earned $10 million of the $64 million. From then until 2017-18 he's paid $6.7 million per season before the contract tails off in the final four seasons.
The kicker? It comes with a no-trade clause. Not that it needs it.
I checked with a couple of NHL general managers to see if Luongo's contract is moveable. One laughed. The other was a little more diplomatic.
"No," he answered. "Unless the trading team was allowed to subsidize the deal."
So what are the Canucks' options with Luongo this summer?
1. Pray for an amnesty clause: The current CBA expires in September and it's possible that the new deal could include a buyout period where teams can get out of some of these crazy long-term deals they've saddled themselves with over the last couple of seasons. One source reiterated on Wednesday that an amnesty clause remains unlikely for the next CBA, although negotiations haven't started yet between the NHLPA and the league, so it's hard to predict with certainty what will emerge.
Luongo would immediately become one of the leading candidates for amnesty if that becomes an option. According to CapGeek.com's buyout calculator, if the Canucks were to buy out his deal this June according to the current rules, they'd have have salary cap ramifications until 2031-32. Or until Luongo is 53 years old.
2. Trade him: This is a tough one. Not only does Luongo have control of the situation with his no-trade clause, his contract makes him all but untradeable. "There's a limited amount of teams," said an NHL source. "A very limited amount of teams."
So limited, in fact, that one franchise keeps coming up repeatedly: The Tampa Bay Lightning. GM Steve Yzerman won a gold medal with Luongo during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver and will be shopping heavily for goaltending this summer. If Schneider suddenly isn't available, then Yzerman has to decide if he'd rather take a chance on an unproven young goalie like Jonathan Bernier or Anders Lindback, or roll the dice with Luongo.
Vincent Lecavalier's name has come up in the past as a player who could be shipped the other way, but he has a no-trade clause, too, and has shown no inclination to waive it. Luongo still spends offseason time in Florida, and met his wife when he frequented his future father-in-law's trattoria in Coral Springs, Fla. while with the Panthers. The Panthers have a goalie on the way in Jacob Markstrom, which makes the Lightning the best Florida option for Luongo.
The Maple Leafs also need a goalie, but it's hard to imagine Brian Burke eager to bail out the Canucks and he has shown a disdain in the past for the kind of long-term, cap-circumventing contract Luongo signed with Vancouver. Plus, if you're Luongo, it'd take some convincing to agree to a trade to Toronto. "Why would he want to go from one fishbowl to another?" said one source.
3. Keep him: This might be the toughest sell, because at some point Luongo is going to get tired of being the scapegoat in Vancouver. He's a proud guy who won't be eager to take on a diminished role for the Canucks. "I would think that Luongo is going to be very upset over this," said a source.
He may be just as eager to leave as the fans are in Vancouver to see him moved. Schneider is a restricted free agent, so he's due for a serious raise. Keeping Luongo would make Vancouver susceptible to an offer sheet, and it's possible the cap actually decreases next season depending on how CBA negotiations shake out. It almost forces the Canucks to consider arbitration like the Predators did with Shea Weber.
It's hard to imagine a scenario in which both goalies are on the opening night roster, but if Luongo can't be moved, it's become increasingly hard to imagine the Canucks dealing Schneider based on his performance. Schneider is going to be a star -- he's got both the makeup and the skill level. It'd be a disaster for the Canucks if that stardom blossomed elsewhere.
"It's amazing," said the source. "I don't know how it's going to unfold."
With 14:37 left in the third period of last night's game between the Kings and Canucks, Dustin Brown skated to center ice for a penalty shot. Until this point, he'd been dominant for the Kings, who were looking to clinch a Game 4 sweep at home last night.
Brown already has four goals in four playoff games and two of them came short-handed. People still point to his hit on Henrik Sedin earlier in the series as the kind of clean, physical momentum-changer that hockey needs, contrasting it against the Raffi Torres ugliness.
A goal on the penalty shot, during the Kings' penalty kill no less, would have fit the narrative of this series perfectly.
But Cory Schneider was waiting. He aggressively came out to play Brown, didn't bite enough on his first fake and got enough of a push to stop Brown's shot. It was a game-saver, the most important save of many for Schneider in this game.
The Canucks won 3-1, avoiding the sweep. It was Schneider's second consecutive start in the series and it was his second consecutive strong start. He finished with 43 saves on 44 shots, putting his postseason record at 1-1, with a 1.01 goals-against average and .969 save percentage. The man he replaced, Roberto Luongo, is 0-2 with a 3.59 goals-against and .891 save percentage.
The biggest thing for Schneider was his comfort level on the road. Last year during the finals, if Luongo had been even average in Boston, the Canucks probably win the Stanley Cup. In this road game, Schneider was especially strong early. The Kings outshot the Canucks 31-16 in the first two periods, scoring just once. When the Canucks finally got going, their goalie had played well enough to keep them in the game.
"That's what a goalie is there for, especially on the road," Schneider told reporters afterwards. "It's a first step we had to have and we can worry about the next one."
If he keeps this up, it's almost impossible to trade him during the offseason. It probably is already. He's a well-liked player in that dressing room and the Canucks want to play for him.
"[Schneider] really is a popular guy," said one NHL source. "Not that [Luongo] isn't. He's a different kind of guy."
Now, the Canucks must draw up a plan that includes keeping Schneider and moving Luongo. It's not an easy proposition.
In September 2009, Luongo signed a 12-year contract that extends through the 2021-2022 season. It comes with an average salary cap hit of $5.33 million per season. The big payday came last season when Luongo earned $10 million of the $64 million. From then until 2017-18 he's paid $6.7 million per season before the contract tails off in the final four seasons.
The kicker? It comes with a no-trade clause. Not that it needs it.
I checked with a couple of NHL general managers to see if Luongo's contract is moveable. One laughed. The other was a little more diplomatic.
"No," he answered. "Unless the trading team was allowed to subsidize the deal."
So what are the Canucks' options with Luongo this summer?
1. Pray for an amnesty clause: The current CBA expires in September and it's possible that the new deal could include a buyout period where teams can get out of some of these crazy long-term deals they've saddled themselves with over the last couple of seasons. One source reiterated on Wednesday that an amnesty clause remains unlikely for the next CBA, although negotiations haven't started yet between the NHLPA and the league, so it's hard to predict with certainty what will emerge.
Luongo would immediately become one of the leading candidates for amnesty if that becomes an option. According to CapGeek.com's buyout calculator, if the Canucks were to buy out his deal this June according to the current rules, they'd have have salary cap ramifications until 2031-32. Or until Luongo is 53 years old.
2. Trade him: This is a tough one. Not only does Luongo have control of the situation with his no-trade clause, his contract makes him all but untradeable. "There's a limited amount of teams," said an NHL source. "A very limited amount of teams."
So limited, in fact, that one franchise keeps coming up repeatedly: The Tampa Bay Lightning. GM Steve Yzerman won a gold medal with Luongo during the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver and will be shopping heavily for goaltending this summer. If Schneider suddenly isn't available, then Yzerman has to decide if he'd rather take a chance on an unproven young goalie like Jonathan Bernier or Anders Lindback, or roll the dice with Luongo.
Vincent Lecavalier's name has come up in the past as a player who could be shipped the other way, but he has a no-trade clause, too, and has shown no inclination to waive it. Luongo still spends offseason time in Florida, and met his wife when he frequented his future father-in-law's trattoria in Coral Springs, Fla. while with the Panthers. The Panthers have a goalie on the way in Jacob Markstrom, which makes the Lightning the best Florida option for Luongo.
The Maple Leafs also need a goalie, but it's hard to imagine Brian Burke eager to bail out the Canucks and he has shown a disdain in the past for the kind of long-term, cap-circumventing contract Luongo signed with Vancouver. Plus, if you're Luongo, it'd take some convincing to agree to a trade to Toronto. "Why would he want to go from one fishbowl to another?" said one source.
3. Keep him: This might be the toughest sell, because at some point Luongo is going to get tired of being the scapegoat in Vancouver. He's a proud guy who won't be eager to take on a diminished role for the Canucks. "I would think that Luongo is going to be very upset over this," said a source.
He may be just as eager to leave as the fans are in Vancouver to see him moved. Schneider is a restricted free agent, so he's due for a serious raise. Keeping Luongo would make Vancouver susceptible to an offer sheet, and it's possible the cap actually decreases next season depending on how CBA negotiations shake out. It almost forces the Canucks to consider arbitration like the Predators did with Shea Weber.
It's hard to imagine a scenario in which both goalies are on the opening night roster, but if Luongo can't be moved, it's become increasingly hard to imagine the Canucks dealing Schneider based on his performance. Schneider is going to be a star -- he's got both the makeup and the skill level. It'd be a disaster for the Canucks if that stardom blossomed elsewhere.
"It's amazing," said the source. "I don't know how it's going to unfold."
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Some of these long term contracts with goalies are crazy. Just a mentally fragile position and they can drop off so quick
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What's up with that? It only takes like what, less than 3 hours from L.A. to Vancouver. I wanted a Friday night game or possibly Saturday.
I though after the Kopitar goal, things would pick up, but that actually sparked the Canucks. Thought they outworked the Kings in all facets, crappy defense behind Quick.
It was lazy hockey plain and simple, nothing like how they played up in Vancouver.
We'll see Sunday. Sunday
I though after the Kopitar goal, things would pick up, but that actually sparked the Canucks. Thought they outworked the Kings in all facets, crappy defense behind Quick.
It was lazy hockey plain and simple, nothing like how they played up in Vancouver.
We'll see Sunday. Sunday
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Originally Posted by FrenchBlue23
What's up with that? It only takes like what, less than 3 hours from L.A. to Vancouver. I wanted a Friday night game or possibly Saturday.
I though after the Kopitar goal, things would pick up, but that actually sparked the Canucks. Thought they outworked the Kings in all facets, crappy defense behind Quick.
It was lazy hockey plain and simple, nothing like how they played up in Vancouver.
We'll see Sunday. Sunday
Someone on my dodger forum noted that Coldplay is in town Friday and Saturday
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^^Coldplay concert Friday and Saturday at Rogers Arena.
And I hope Pittsburgh finds a way to get a couple more wins and force a game 7. The lack of defense being played in this series is extremely entertaining.
And I hope Pittsburgh finds a way to get a couple more wins and force a game 7. The lack of defense being played in this series is extremely entertaining.
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