Official MLB Offseason Post: Michael Young asks for a trade.

Originally Posted by kapstone

What can a Mariners/AL West fan tell me about Jose Lopez? Seems like he might enjoy the friendly confines of Coors Field? We need a Power RH bat so I guess the gamble is worth it?

Plays good defense but that's about it. Even a hitter's paradise like Coors won't help him much. Lifetime OPS of under .700 and .609 in 593 AB last year. Lifetime OBP under .300. So yeah...he's barely a major league hitter. He'll probably have a slight bounce back year with a little pop, but judging from the OBP numbers it's not worth it.
 
In the short term, signing Adam Dunn for four years and $56 million looks really, really good for Chicago. The White Sox add a player who, with a career-low 67 unintentional walks last season, would still have led the team in that category. They add an extreme fly ball hitter to a ballpark noted for turning fly balls into home runs. And they keep Dunn away from the outfield, preferably away from the field entirely. Chicago got an unacceptable line of .247 AVG/.332 OBP/.396 SLG from its DH spot in 2010, a line boosted by about 150 at-bats from Paul Konerko and Manny Ramirez, both now free agents. Dunn hasn't posted an OBP under .350 or slugged under .490 in the past seven seasons, and if he doesn't pick up a glove but rolls out there for 600 plate appearances, he's probably a four-win upgrade for Chicago.

The contract covers Dunn's age-31 through age-34 seasons, which I assume will include at least the beginning of his decline phase. Dunn is the type of player -- no defensive value or speed, drawing value just from walks and power -- that tends to age more quickly than athletic players or players who offer more defensive value. If Dunn is paid appropriately today, he'll most likely be overpaid before this deal is up, although that is probably a price the White Sox are willing to pay to greatly increase their chances to make the playoffs in 2011.

Chicago does still face holes at first base, which it could fill by re-signing Konerko; in left field, unless you think Juan Pierre (tied with Derek Jeter for the major league in outs made by a hitter this year) is some kind of solution; and behind the plate. Third base could be manned by Brent Morel, who doesn't walk much or have power, or Dayan Viciedo, who has power but walks once every other month and has serious conditioning issues. The White Sox's starting rotation remains strong, and their bullpen could withstand the non-tender of Bobby Jenks if they leave Chris Sale in relief instead of demoting him to try to make him a starter. They're not a finished product yet, but in a division with nothing close to a favorite right now, they're only a move or two away from being strong playoff contenders.

My main question for Chicago on Dunn is whether the White Sox had to pay him this much. Dunn had a limited number of landing spots, since he's pretty much an AL-only player at this point and few clubs had $15 million in the budget for a DH. The Detroit Tigers and Oakland Athletics were interested, perhaps, but Detroit signed Victor Martinez, and it would be unlike the A's to give a contract of that size to a player of Dunn's age and defensive profile. Did Chicago bid against itself or overpay now just to get him under contract earlier in the offseason? Usually, after a high-profile signing like this, I try to look at what teams are left holding an empty bag. But with Dunn, I don't see who those teams are, even without a great Dunn alternative on the market.

The Washington Nationals, who never had serious interest in bringing Dunn back, get Chicago's first-round pick and a sandwich pick, both welcome additions for GM Mike Rizzo, who is still gradually restocking that farm system and coming off a very strong 2010 draft. Giving Dunn four years would have made little sense for a club in Washington's position. By the time the Nationals are competitive, he'll be approaching the overpaid portion of the contract.

 
Adam Dunn has been the fox and the Chicago White Sox have been the hound dogs, pursuing the slugger throughout the summer and into the fall, before Kenny Williams finally got his man with a four-year, $56 million deal yesterday.

mlb_u_adunn_sy_300.jpg

Getty ImagesAdam Dunn's power transferring to the Cell is as much of a sure thing as the free-agent market offered.

But there was more to this than the White Sox just throwing out a number; the timing of their aggressiveness was perfect. The White Sox were well aware of the domino theory, which was detailed here yesterday, and at some point, as the best free agents came off the board -- Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford, etc. -- then some of the losing bidders would have set their sights on the 31-year-old Dunn, who has hit 38 or more homers in seven consecutive years and has continued to refine his skills at the plate.

So Williams struck hard and fast and took Dunn off the board, before any of the other clubs began to focus on the left-handed slugger.

The White Sox still appear to be the favorites to work out something out with Paul Konerko, now that Konerko's market price has been established, and he and Dunn will share first base and DH duties in the middle of a lineup that could generate 225 homers in 2011; the White Sox finished with 177 homers in 2010, the seventh most in the majors.

Konerko posted a .393 on-base percentage last year, and Dunn has a .381 on-base percentage in his career. Whoever hits fifth in this lineup -- behind Konerko and Dunn -- is going to have a chance to drive in a ton of runs.

Some of the numbers on Dunn, from Mark Simon of ESPN Stats & Information:

The players who've hit the most homers, since 2004:

Albert Pujols 294
Adam Dunn: 282
Alex Rodriguez 268
David Ortiz 260
Ryan Howard 253

And the most consecutive seasons of 38-plus home runs, all time:

Rafael Palmeiro 9, 1995-2003
Adam Dunn: 7, 2004-2010
Babe Ruth: 7, 1926-1932


Isolated Power is a metric that looks strictly at a player's ability to get power hits (doubles, triples, homers). Basically it's extra bases per at-bat (slugging percentage without the singles). Dunn rated consistently among the best in the NL in this stat. Here are his numbers over the past seven seasons:

2010: .276 (T-2nd)
2009: .262 (8th)
2008: .277 (4th)
2007: .289 (3rd)
2006: .257 (1st)
2005: .293 (3rd)
2004: .303 (5th)

Over the past seven seasons, only Ichiro has played more games and only Pujols has hit more home runs than Dunn. During that time he has the most strikeouts AND the most walks in the majors. Where Dunn ranks across MLB in parentheses:

Games: 1,108 (2nd)
HR: 282 (2nd)
K: 1,262 (1st)
BB: 750 (1st)

And where the White Sox ranked at DH last year:

OBP: .332 (9th)
Slug pct: .396 (9th)
HR: 18 (10th)
BB: 65 (9th)

And a look at Dunn's numbers from 2010 compared to where he would have ranked (in parentheses) had his primary position been DH:

OBP: .356 (7th)
Slug pct: .536 (2nd)
HR: 38 (1st)
RBI: 103 (2nd)

Not only was Dunn one of the most prolific home run hitters last season, ranking second in the NL with 38 homers, but his homers were consistently also among the longest. According to Hittracker, his 38 homers traveled an average of 411 feet, the fourth-highest true distance average among players with at least 20 homers last season. He also hit the third-longest homer last season, a 479-foot shot Sept. 14 at Turner Field. Here's how his average shot stacks up:

Josh Hamilton 421
Mark Reynolds 416
Carlos Gonzalez 415
Adam Dunn: 411
Troy Tulowitzki 410

The fact the White Sox gave Dunn a four-year contract is somewhat surprising and uncharacteristic of the team based on their history with free agent contracts. Dunn's four-year contract would be just the 16th free-agent contract of four or more years given out by the White Sox since the 1990-91 offseason. The White Sox are one of five teams to have given out 15 or fewer contracts of four-plus years since then. These teams have given the fewest since 1990-91, excluding Dunn's deal:

Twins: 13
Marlins: 14
White Sox: 15
Brewers: 15
Tigers: 15

The White Sox also worked out a deal with A.J. Pierzynski, writes Joe Cowley. The Orioles took a run at Dunn.
[h3]Notables[/h3]

• The losers in all of this are the Nationals, who probably could've locked up Dunn for something in the range of three years and $30 million at the All-Star break, when Dunn very much wanted to stay in Washington. After deciding to not make that deal, the Nationals' leadership opted to not trade Dunn when the interest in him was at its hottest, in July; they failed to get any major league ready young players, which is exactly what they have a desperate need for today.

In the end, they get a couple of draft picks in compensation, and now that the smoke has cleared, it's clear that they badly missed in taking advantage of his value, either with a contract extension or in trade.

Their lineup without Dunn suddenly looks very different -- significantly weakened. Without Dunn hitting in the middle of the order, there is no reason for opposing pitchers to pitch to Ryan Zimmerman.

Time will tell whether Dunn's departure will erode Zimmerman's feelings about the future of the franchise. Zimmerman, you may recall, had talked openly and repeatedly about how he wanted Dunn to remain with the team.

The Nationals have taken a hit, writes Adam Kilgore, and he spoke with Zimmerman. From Adam's story:
  • "To me, this is the place where I want to be, where I want to be for the rest of my career," Zimmerman said. "The only reason I wouldn't want to play here is if I thought we didn't have a chance to win ... I still believe that we will."
    Zimmerman was clearly frustrated though, and it's a frustration that assuredly will represent the overwhelming majority of the team's fan base. "I hope that this plan they have intact -- I guess this is one of the years we were supposed to take that next step and become one of the teams that gets those free agent guys," Zimmerman said. "They've told us and the fans to be patient. Hopefully this is one of the years we start acquiring impact guys and taking the team to that next level."
• The Dodgers didn't tender a contract to Russell Martin.

• The Yankees quietly have worked out a two-year deal with Mariano Rivera.
[h3]Moves, deals and decisions[/h3]
1. The Yankees and Derek Jeter are still talking; I'd bet they'll reach an agreement today.
Darryl Strawberry says George Steinbrenner
wouldn't approve of the Yankees' treatment of Jeter, writes John Harper.
2. The Mariners
traded Jose Lopez, writes Geoff Baker, and signed Erik Bedard. The Rockies like Lopez's versatility.
3.
Miguel Tejada was thrilled to work something out with the Giants.
Heard this:
Pat Burrell negotiated his own contract with the Giants.
4.
Jason Varitek finished a deal with the Red Sox.
[h4]Buster's New Book[/h4]
Buster Olney is the author of the book "
recipient
[/color]


5. Adrian Beltre's preference is to play for the Red Sox, writes Peter Abraham. This is an interesting situation: Scott Boras represents Beltre and Jayson Werth, and when you consider the entire landscape, it might be better for Boras if Werth -- the more expensive player -- worked out a deal with Boston. But Beltre, of course, has the established ties with Boston.

6. Matt Diaz could be a fit for the Phillies, writes Bob Brookover. The Phillies offered contracts to a couple of their veterans.

7. The Angels signed a left-handed reliever, writes Mike DiGiovanna.

8. The Pirates cut ties with Lastings Milledge, writes Dejan Kovacevic.

9. The Mets cut ties with John Maine.

10. The Tigers are keeping Joel Zumaya.

11. The Royals worked out deals with a couple of veterans.

12. Oakland did not tender a contract to Jack Cust, Susan Slusser writes.

13. The Jays worked out a deal with Dustin McGowan.

14. A Cardinals official departed to work with the Braves.

15. A Vanderbilt guy, Jensen Lewis, worked out a new contract.

16. A couple of Brewers weren't tendered contracts, Tom Haudricourt writes.

17. Jim Thome wants to continue playing, and now we'll see if he works out a new deal with the Twins, writes Joe Christensen. The Twins worked out contracts with a couple of veterans.

18. J.P. Howell wants to stay with the Rays.

19. The D-backs worked out a deal with Zach Duke.

20. Eric Hinske re-signed with the Braves. He is a good fit with them.

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Jerry Lai/US PresswireRon Santo, pictured in 2005 at Wrigley Field, was an all-time great third baseman but fell short of election to the Baseball Hall of Fame again and again.

[h3]Ron Santo[/h3]
• We wake to the news this morning that the beloved Ron Santo has passed away. I met him once, but mostly know him through the passion reflected in the broadcast moments when his joy and frustration spilled over on the air.
Here's
Santo's call at the moment Carlos Zambrano threw a no-hitter.
Here's Santo
taking over the play-by-play, sort of -- yelling for fans to sit down.
And another when Cubs catcher
Geovany Soto dropped the ball. And a short one when Cubs outfielder Brant Brown flubbed a play in a big spot.
Here's a touching story of
Santo's fight with diabetes.
The man touched a lot of lives.
[h3]Other stuff[/h3]
• The buzz about the Red Sox seems
light years away, writes John Tomase.
• The Giants will start selling
tickets today.
• K-Rod is
due in court.
• Redsfest is being held
this weekend.
• Watched the LeBron show last night, and really, I found it just kind of sad. By the middle of the second quarter, after the Cavs fans unleashed their first wave of boos, there were two hard truths in place:

No. 1: LeBron demonstrated, again, that he is a great player capable of making incredible shots.

No. 2: He wasn't wearing a Cavs uniform.

Some of the Cavs fans might've gone to the arena probably wanting to make him feel bad about "The Decision," but the hard truths weren't dented at all. And the Cavaliers fans must've felt incredibly helpless by the end of the night.

• Doesn't it seem like the NCAA has created a
blueprint for cheating? So long as the payments aren't sent to the kid, you can do what you want.
And today will be better than yesterday.
 
In the short term, signing Adam Dunn for four years and $56 million looks really, really good for Chicago. The White Sox add a player who, with a career-low 67 unintentional walks last season, would still have led the team in that category. They add an extreme fly ball hitter to a ballpark noted for turning fly balls into home runs. And they keep Dunn away from the outfield, preferably away from the field entirely. Chicago got an unacceptable line of .247 AVG/.332 OBP/.396 SLG from its DH spot in 2010, a line boosted by about 150 at-bats from Paul Konerko and Manny Ramirez, both now free agents. Dunn hasn't posted an OBP under .350 or slugged under .490 in the past seven seasons, and if he doesn't pick up a glove but rolls out there for 600 plate appearances, he's probably a four-win upgrade for Chicago.

The contract covers Dunn's age-31 through age-34 seasons, which I assume will include at least the beginning of his decline phase. Dunn is the type of player -- no defensive value or speed, drawing value just from walks and power -- that tends to age more quickly than athletic players or players who offer more defensive value. If Dunn is paid appropriately today, he'll most likely be overpaid before this deal is up, although that is probably a price the White Sox are willing to pay to greatly increase their chances to make the playoffs in 2011.

Chicago does still face holes at first base, which it could fill by re-signing Konerko; in left field, unless you think Juan Pierre (tied with Derek Jeter for the major league in outs made by a hitter this year) is some kind of solution; and behind the plate. Third base could be manned by Brent Morel, who doesn't walk much or have power, or Dayan Viciedo, who has power but walks once every other month and has serious conditioning issues. The White Sox's starting rotation remains strong, and their bullpen could withstand the non-tender of Bobby Jenks if they leave Chris Sale in relief instead of demoting him to try to make him a starter. They're not a finished product yet, but in a division with nothing close to a favorite right now, they're only a move or two away from being strong playoff contenders.

My main question for Chicago on Dunn is whether the White Sox had to pay him this much. Dunn had a limited number of landing spots, since he's pretty much an AL-only player at this point and few clubs had $15 million in the budget for a DH. The Detroit Tigers and Oakland Athletics were interested, perhaps, but Detroit signed Victor Martinez, and it would be unlike the A's to give a contract of that size to a player of Dunn's age and defensive profile. Did Chicago bid against itself or overpay now just to get him under contract earlier in the offseason? Usually, after a high-profile signing like this, I try to look at what teams are left holding an empty bag. But with Dunn, I don't see who those teams are, even without a great Dunn alternative on the market.

The Washington Nationals, who never had serious interest in bringing Dunn back, get Chicago's first-round pick and a sandwich pick, both welcome additions for GM Mike Rizzo, who is still gradually restocking that farm system and coming off a very strong 2010 draft. Giving Dunn four years would have made little sense for a club in Washington's position. By the time the Nationals are competitive, he'll be approaching the overpaid portion of the contract.

 
Adam Dunn has been the fox and the Chicago White Sox have been the hound dogs, pursuing the slugger throughout the summer and into the fall, before Kenny Williams finally got his man with a four-year, $56 million deal yesterday.

mlb_u_adunn_sy_300.jpg

Getty ImagesAdam Dunn's power transferring to the Cell is as much of a sure thing as the free-agent market offered.

But there was more to this than the White Sox just throwing out a number; the timing of their aggressiveness was perfect. The White Sox were well aware of the domino theory, which was detailed here yesterday, and at some point, as the best free agents came off the board -- Cliff Lee, Carl Crawford, etc. -- then some of the losing bidders would have set their sights on the 31-year-old Dunn, who has hit 38 or more homers in seven consecutive years and has continued to refine his skills at the plate.

So Williams struck hard and fast and took Dunn off the board, before any of the other clubs began to focus on the left-handed slugger.

The White Sox still appear to be the favorites to work out something out with Paul Konerko, now that Konerko's market price has been established, and he and Dunn will share first base and DH duties in the middle of a lineup that could generate 225 homers in 2011; the White Sox finished with 177 homers in 2010, the seventh most in the majors.

Konerko posted a .393 on-base percentage last year, and Dunn has a .381 on-base percentage in his career. Whoever hits fifth in this lineup -- behind Konerko and Dunn -- is going to have a chance to drive in a ton of runs.

Some of the numbers on Dunn, from Mark Simon of ESPN Stats & Information:

The players who've hit the most homers, since 2004:

Albert Pujols 294
Adam Dunn: 282
Alex Rodriguez 268
David Ortiz 260
Ryan Howard 253

And the most consecutive seasons of 38-plus home runs, all time:

Rafael Palmeiro 9, 1995-2003
Adam Dunn: 7, 2004-2010
Babe Ruth: 7, 1926-1932


Isolated Power is a metric that looks strictly at a player's ability to get power hits (doubles, triples, homers). Basically it's extra bases per at-bat (slugging percentage without the singles). Dunn rated consistently among the best in the NL in this stat. Here are his numbers over the past seven seasons:

2010: .276 (T-2nd)
2009: .262 (8th)
2008: .277 (4th)
2007: .289 (3rd)
2006: .257 (1st)
2005: .293 (3rd)
2004: .303 (5th)

Over the past seven seasons, only Ichiro has played more games and only Pujols has hit more home runs than Dunn. During that time he has the most strikeouts AND the most walks in the majors. Where Dunn ranks across MLB in parentheses:

Games: 1,108 (2nd)
HR: 282 (2nd)
K: 1,262 (1st)
BB: 750 (1st)

And where the White Sox ranked at DH last year:

OBP: .332 (9th)
Slug pct: .396 (9th)
HR: 18 (10th)
BB: 65 (9th)

And a look at Dunn's numbers from 2010 compared to where he would have ranked (in parentheses) had his primary position been DH:

OBP: .356 (7th)
Slug pct: .536 (2nd)
HR: 38 (1st)
RBI: 103 (2nd)

Not only was Dunn one of the most prolific home run hitters last season, ranking second in the NL with 38 homers, but his homers were consistently also among the longest. According to Hittracker, his 38 homers traveled an average of 411 feet, the fourth-highest true distance average among players with at least 20 homers last season. He also hit the third-longest homer last season, a 479-foot shot Sept. 14 at Turner Field. Here's how his average shot stacks up:

Josh Hamilton 421
Mark Reynolds 416
Carlos Gonzalez 415
Adam Dunn: 411
Troy Tulowitzki 410

The fact the White Sox gave Dunn a four-year contract is somewhat surprising and uncharacteristic of the team based on their history with free agent contracts. Dunn's four-year contract would be just the 16th free-agent contract of four or more years given out by the White Sox since the 1990-91 offseason. The White Sox are one of five teams to have given out 15 or fewer contracts of four-plus years since then. These teams have given the fewest since 1990-91, excluding Dunn's deal:

Twins: 13
Marlins: 14
White Sox: 15
Brewers: 15
Tigers: 15

The White Sox also worked out a deal with A.J. Pierzynski, writes Joe Cowley. The Orioles took a run at Dunn.
[h3]Notables[/h3]

• The losers in all of this are the Nationals, who probably could've locked up Dunn for something in the range of three years and $30 million at the All-Star break, when Dunn very much wanted to stay in Washington. After deciding to not make that deal, the Nationals' leadership opted to not trade Dunn when the interest in him was at its hottest, in July; they failed to get any major league ready young players, which is exactly what they have a desperate need for today.

In the end, they get a couple of draft picks in compensation, and now that the smoke has cleared, it's clear that they badly missed in taking advantage of his value, either with a contract extension or in trade.

Their lineup without Dunn suddenly looks very different -- significantly weakened. Without Dunn hitting in the middle of the order, there is no reason for opposing pitchers to pitch to Ryan Zimmerman.

Time will tell whether Dunn's departure will erode Zimmerman's feelings about the future of the franchise. Zimmerman, you may recall, had talked openly and repeatedly about how he wanted Dunn to remain with the team.

The Nationals have taken a hit, writes Adam Kilgore, and he spoke with Zimmerman. From Adam's story:
  • "To me, this is the place where I want to be, where I want to be for the rest of my career," Zimmerman said. "The only reason I wouldn't want to play here is if I thought we didn't have a chance to win ... I still believe that we will."
    Zimmerman was clearly frustrated though, and it's a frustration that assuredly will represent the overwhelming majority of the team's fan base. "I hope that this plan they have intact -- I guess this is one of the years we were supposed to take that next step and become one of the teams that gets those free agent guys," Zimmerman said. "They've told us and the fans to be patient. Hopefully this is one of the years we start acquiring impact guys and taking the team to that next level."
• The Dodgers didn't tender a contract to Russell Martin.

• The Yankees quietly have worked out a two-year deal with Mariano Rivera.
[h3]Moves, deals and decisions[/h3]
1. The Yankees and Derek Jeter are still talking; I'd bet they'll reach an agreement today.
Darryl Strawberry says George Steinbrenner
wouldn't approve of the Yankees' treatment of Jeter, writes John Harper.
2. The Mariners
traded Jose Lopez, writes Geoff Baker, and signed Erik Bedard. The Rockies like Lopez's versatility.
3.
Miguel Tejada was thrilled to work something out with the Giants.
Heard this:
Pat Burrell negotiated his own contract with the Giants.
4.
Jason Varitek finished a deal with the Red Sox.
[h4]Buster's New Book[/h4]
Buster Olney is the author of the book "
recipient
[/color]


5. Adrian Beltre's preference is to play for the Red Sox, writes Peter Abraham. This is an interesting situation: Scott Boras represents Beltre and Jayson Werth, and when you consider the entire landscape, it might be better for Boras if Werth -- the more expensive player -- worked out a deal with Boston. But Beltre, of course, has the established ties with Boston.

6. Matt Diaz could be a fit for the Phillies, writes Bob Brookover. The Phillies offered contracts to a couple of their veterans.

7. The Angels signed a left-handed reliever, writes Mike DiGiovanna.

8. The Pirates cut ties with Lastings Milledge, writes Dejan Kovacevic.

9. The Mets cut ties with John Maine.

10. The Tigers are keeping Joel Zumaya.

11. The Royals worked out deals with a couple of veterans.

12. Oakland did not tender a contract to Jack Cust, Susan Slusser writes.

13. The Jays worked out a deal with Dustin McGowan.

14. A Cardinals official departed to work with the Braves.

15. A Vanderbilt guy, Jensen Lewis, worked out a new contract.

16. A couple of Brewers weren't tendered contracts, Tom Haudricourt writes.

17. Jim Thome wants to continue playing, and now we'll see if he works out a new deal with the Twins, writes Joe Christensen. The Twins worked out contracts with a couple of veterans.

18. J.P. Howell wants to stay with the Rays.

19. The D-backs worked out a deal with Zach Duke.

20. Eric Hinske re-signed with the Braves. He is a good fit with them.

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mlb_g_santo2_sy_200.jpg

Jerry Lai/US PresswireRon Santo, pictured in 2005 at Wrigley Field, was an all-time great third baseman but fell short of election to the Baseball Hall of Fame again and again.

[h3]Ron Santo[/h3]
• We wake to the news this morning that the beloved Ron Santo has passed away. I met him once, but mostly know him through the passion reflected in the broadcast moments when his joy and frustration spilled over on the air.
Here's
Santo's call at the moment Carlos Zambrano threw a no-hitter.
Here's Santo
taking over the play-by-play, sort of -- yelling for fans to sit down.
And another when Cubs catcher
Geovany Soto dropped the ball. And a short one when Cubs outfielder Brant Brown flubbed a play in a big spot.
Here's a touching story of
Santo's fight with diabetes.
The man touched a lot of lives.
[h3]Other stuff[/h3]
• The buzz about the Red Sox seems
light years away, writes John Tomase.
• The Giants will start selling
tickets today.
• K-Rod is
due in court.
• Redsfest is being held
this weekend.
• Watched the LeBron show last night, and really, I found it just kind of sad. By the middle of the second quarter, after the Cavs fans unleashed their first wave of boos, there were two hard truths in place:

No. 1: LeBron demonstrated, again, that he is a great player capable of making incredible shots.

No. 2: He wasn't wearing a Cavs uniform.

Some of the Cavs fans might've gone to the arena probably wanting to make him feel bad about "The Decision," but the hard truths weren't dented at all. And the Cavaliers fans must've felt incredibly helpless by the end of the night.

• Doesn't it seem like the NCAA has created a
blueprint for cheating? So long as the payments aren't sent to the kid, you can do what you want.
And today will be better than yesterday.
 

BOSTON -- While their pursuit of free agents Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth has grabbed most of the attention, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein has quietly been laying the groundwork for what could be the team's biggest offensive acquisition since Manny Ramirez.

Epstein has been engaged in ongoing discussions with his former top lieutenant, San Diego Padres general manager Jed Hoyer, about a trade that would bring slugging first basemanAdrian Gonzalez to Boston. It appears Epstein is making some headway, one baseball source with knowledge of the negotiations said Friday, in tempting Hoyer with a package of top prospects in the Red Sox minor league system.

The momentum toward a trade did not slow Friday night. Asked if the deal might be completed before officials from both teams go to Orlando for the baseball winter meetings Sunday, the source said, "Possibly."

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Gonzalez

Acquiring Gonzalez, while signing one of two free-agent outfielders, Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth, would give the Red Sox their most potent offensive lineup since Ramirez's trade to the Dodgers in 2008 and make clear why they were willing to lose free agents Victor Martinez and potentially Adrian Beltre. It also would help ease the sting of losing out to the Yankees on Mark Teixeira, the switch-hitting first baseman the Sox imagined in the middle of their lineup two years ago.

The Sox have long coveted the 28-year-old Gonzalez. As far back as the 2009 trading deadline, the Sox made a pitch for Gonzalez, a three-time All-Star who last season finished fourth in balloting for the National League's Most Valuable Player.

The 6-foot-2, 225-pound first baseman, a left-handed hitter, batted .298 with 31 home runs and 101 RBIs for the Padres last season. He finished fifth in on-base percentage (.393), ninth in slugging (.511) and led the league in hitting with runners in scoring position (.407). Opposing pitchers issued 35 intentional walks to Gonzalez last season, a number exceeded only by Albert Pujols.

In addition to his offensive prowess, Gonzalez is a gifted defender, a two-time Gold Glove winner.

With David Ortiz nearing the end of his highly productive run with the Red Sox, the team views Gonzalez as an ideal successor to Big Papi as a middle-of-the-order run-producer. The Sox lineup could look something like this in 2011:

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS


The trade, however, will not be an easy one for the Padres to make. Gonzalez is the team's most popular player, with great crossover appeal to the team's Mexican-American market, a native son who carried the Padres to within a game of a playoff spot last season. He is signed through 2011 at the bargain price of $6.3 million. The Padres exercised his 2011 option on Nov. 1. His contract called for a $5.5 million salary, but performance bonuses pushed the figure above $6 million.

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The Padres, however, are working under significant financial constraints. The team's 2010 Opening Day payroll was $37.7 million; only the Pirates had a smaller payroll. Attendance, despite the team's improbable run for a playoff spot, showed only a modest increase from the previous year. The Padres drew just more than 2.1 million fans in 2010, ranking 11th out of 16 NL teams.

Offensively, the Padres were one of the weakest in the majors, even with Gonzalez, finishing 22nd in runs scored, 23rd in on-base percentage, and 28th in slugging.

And after meeting with Gonzalez and his agent, John Boggs, after the season, Hoyer acknowledged that the team has no chance of signing Gonzalez to an extension, not when he's in a position to command a contract in the $22 million-$25 million per year range, like Teixeira and Ryan Howard of the Phillies.

"Nothing that's happened is unexpected," Hoyer said when Gonzalez's option was picked up last month. "He's had a fantastic career and he wants to test out the free-agent market and see if he gets that franchise-player contract he's been working toward. To his credit, he signed a deal that has worked out very well for the club and he's never said a word about it. There's always been a desire to see what's on the free-agent market for him."

The Padres, then, essentially have three options: Keep him for the 2011 season, then collect two draft picks when he signs elsewhere as a free agent; keep him until the July trading deadline, then move him to another club; or trade him before the season. Here's one problem in waiting until the July trading deadline: If the Padres are in contention, a trade potentially would alienate both the fan base and the clubhouse, both of which could see such a move as the front office quitting on the club.

Trading Gonzalez now would allow Hoyer to address the multiple holes the club has entering the season while acquiring low-cost players that would remain under the team's control for up to six years.

According to the source familiar with the negotiations, the proposed deal centers only on minor leaguers, meaning the Red Sox would not lose star young reliever Daniel Bard. Hoyer and his assistant, Jason McLeod, who served as Boston's scouting director until going to San Diego, are intimately familiar with the Red Sox system. They almost certainly would seek pitcher Casey Kelly and first baseman Anthony Rizzo in any deal, with outfielder Ryan Kalish, shortstop Jose Iglesias, outfielder Josh Riddick, 19-year-old outfielder Reymond Fuentes, pitcher Stolmy Pimentel, and catcher Ryan Lavarnway also potential targets.

It is reasonable to assume it may take at least three top prospects to make a deal, with perhaps another minor leaguer or two of lesser skills included. The Sox probably have never been in a better position to make a trade of this magnitude, with the depth of prospects they have,

There are other teams with significant interest in Gonzalez, too, so Hoyer will have options. But are the Red Sox intent on making this happen? Will they? The next stage in this drama will take place in Orlando.

Gordon Edes covers the Red Sox for ESPNBoston.com.

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BOSTON -- While their pursuit of free agents Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth has grabbed most of the attention, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein has quietly been laying the groundwork for what could be the team's biggest offensive acquisition since Manny Ramirez.

Epstein has been engaged in ongoing discussions with his former top lieutenant, San Diego Padres general manager Jed Hoyer, about a trade that would bring slugging first basemanAdrian Gonzalez to Boston. It appears Epstein is making some headway, one baseball source with knowledge of the negotiations said Friday, in tempting Hoyer with a package of top prospects in the Red Sox minor league system.

The momentum toward a trade did not slow Friday night. Asked if the deal might be completed before officials from both teams go to Orlando for the baseball winter meetings Sunday, the source said, "Possibly."

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Acquiring Gonzalez, while signing one of two free-agent outfielders, Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth, would give the Red Sox their most potent offensive lineup since Ramirez's trade to the Dodgers in 2008 and make clear why they were willing to lose free agents Victor Martinez and potentially Adrian Beltre. It also would help ease the sting of losing out to the Yankees on Mark Teixeira, the switch-hitting first baseman the Sox imagined in the middle of their lineup two years ago.

The Sox have long coveted the 28-year-old Gonzalez. As far back as the 2009 trading deadline, the Sox made a pitch for Gonzalez, a three-time All-Star who last season finished fourth in balloting for the National League's Most Valuable Player.

The 6-foot-2, 225-pound first baseman, a left-handed hitter, batted .298 with 31 home runs and 101 RBIs for the Padres last season. He finished fifth in on-base percentage (.393), ninth in slugging (.511) and led the league in hitting with runners in scoring position (.407). Opposing pitchers issued 35 intentional walks to Gonzalez last season, a number exceeded only by Albert Pujols.

In addition to his offensive prowess, Gonzalez is a gifted defender, a two-time Gold Glove winner.

With David Ortiz nearing the end of his highly productive run with the Red Sox, the team views Gonzalez as an ideal successor to Big Papi as a middle-of-the-order run-producer. The Sox lineup could look something like this in 2011:

Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
Adrian Gonzalez, 1B
Kevin Youkilis, 3B
David Ortiz, DH
Jayson Werth, LF
J.D. Drew, RF
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, C
Marco Scutaro, SS


The trade, however, will not be an easy one for the Padres to make. Gonzalez is the team's most popular player, with great crossover appeal to the team's Mexican-American market, a native son who carried the Padres to within a game of a playoff spot last season. He is signed through 2011 at the bargain price of $6.3 million. The Padres exercised his 2011 option on Nov. 1. His contract called for a $5.5 million salary, but performance bonuses pushed the figure above $6 million.

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The Padres, however, are working under significant financial constraints. The team's 2010 Opening Day payroll was $37.7 million; only the Pirates had a smaller payroll. Attendance, despite the team's improbable run for a playoff spot, showed only a modest increase from the previous year. The Padres drew just more than 2.1 million fans in 2010, ranking 11th out of 16 NL teams.

Offensively, the Padres were one of the weakest in the majors, even with Gonzalez, finishing 22nd in runs scored, 23rd in on-base percentage, and 28th in slugging.

And after meeting with Gonzalez and his agent, John Boggs, after the season, Hoyer acknowledged that the team has no chance of signing Gonzalez to an extension, not when he's in a position to command a contract in the $22 million-$25 million per year range, like Teixeira and Ryan Howard of the Phillies.

"Nothing that's happened is unexpected," Hoyer said when Gonzalez's option was picked up last month. "He's had a fantastic career and he wants to test out the free-agent market and see if he gets that franchise-player contract he's been working toward. To his credit, he signed a deal that has worked out very well for the club and he's never said a word about it. There's always been a desire to see what's on the free-agent market for him."

The Padres, then, essentially have three options: Keep him for the 2011 season, then collect two draft picks when he signs elsewhere as a free agent; keep him until the July trading deadline, then move him to another club; or trade him before the season. Here's one problem in waiting until the July trading deadline: If the Padres are in contention, a trade potentially would alienate both the fan base and the clubhouse, both of which could see such a move as the front office quitting on the club.

Trading Gonzalez now would allow Hoyer to address the multiple holes the club has entering the season while acquiring low-cost players that would remain under the team's control for up to six years.

According to the source familiar with the negotiations, the proposed deal centers only on minor leaguers, meaning the Red Sox would not lose star young reliever Daniel Bard. Hoyer and his assistant, Jason McLeod, who served as Boston's scouting director until going to San Diego, are intimately familiar with the Red Sox system. They almost certainly would seek pitcher Casey Kelly and first baseman Anthony Rizzo in any deal, with outfielder Ryan Kalish, shortstop Jose Iglesias, outfielder Josh Riddick, 19-year-old outfielder Reymond Fuentes, pitcher Stolmy Pimentel, and catcher Ryan Lavarnway also potential targets.

It is reasonable to assume it may take at least three top prospects to make a deal, with perhaps another minor leaguer or two of lesser skills included. The Sox probably have never been in a better position to make a trade of this magnitude, with the depth of prospects they have,

There are other teams with significant interest in Gonzalez, too, so Hoyer will have options. But are the Red Sox intent on making this happen? Will they? The next stage in this drama will take place in Orlando.

Gordon Edes covers the Red Sox for ESPNBoston.com.

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Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Chicago Cubs are in on A-Gon too.




The Adrian Gonzalez sweepstakes are back on.

The Cubs and Red Sox are among the teams pursuing a trade for the Padres' first baseman, according to major league sources.

The Padres have fielded offers from multiple teams for Gonzalez, but have not made a final determination to trade him, sources say.

The Red Sox reportedly are offering a package of prospects. Some teams are offering major league-ready players; others a combination, sources say.

“It wouldn't surprise me if they kept him until July,
 
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Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Chicago Cubs are in on A-Gon too.




The Adrian Gonzalez sweepstakes are back on.

The Cubs and Red Sox are among the teams pursuing a trade for the Padres' first baseman, according to major league sources.

The Padres have fielded offers from multiple teams for Gonzalez, but have not made a final determination to trade him, sources say.

The Red Sox reportedly are offering a package of prospects. Some teams are offering major league-ready players; others a combination, sources say.

“It wouldn't surprise me if they kept him until July,
 
I will say that that the Padres need to get Rizzo in the deal. Dude is pure power hitter that has a plus glove at first. hes a beast
 
I will say that that the Padres need to get Rizzo in the deal. Dude is pure power hitter that has a plus glove at first. hes a beast
 
Supposedly the Sox and Padres have agreed on a deal... Interested to see where they end up coming down on it.
 
Supposedly the Sox and Padres have agreed on a deal... Interested to see where they end up coming down on it.
 
i was born and raised in SD, pops was born in Brookline and is good friends with Theo....I am VERY happy right now knowing the Sox have Adrian....we will see what parts move over to SD in the deal...
 
i was born and raised in SD, pops was born in Brookline and is good friends with Theo....I am VERY happy right now knowing the Sox have Adrian....we will see what parts move over to SD in the deal...
 
Great move.  If the pen settles down and Beckett/Lackey go back to old form that's a scary team.  I'm assuming since Gonzalez only makes $5.5 this year, they'll still go after Werth, Crawford or even Beltre.

BTW, how much does Chicago wanna win?  Players went to Kenny Williams to discuss paycuts to get Konerko back.
 
Great move.  If the pen settles down and Beckett/Lackey go back to old form that's a scary team.  I'm assuming since Gonzalez only makes $5.5 this year, they'll still go after Werth, Crawford or even Beltre.

BTW, how much does Chicago wanna win?  Players went to Kenny Williams to discuss paycuts to get Konerko back.
 
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BTW, how much does Chicago wanna win?  Players went to Kenny Williams to discuss paycuts to get Konerko back.


imo they have to be "all in" in 2011 as players like Danks and Ramirez get more expensive and Peavy's contract begins to look more like an albatross. Buehrle is a FA after next season. Money is going to become tighter.

Dunn and Pierzynski deferred money in 2011 in order to get Konerko back. 
 
Originally Posted by Proshares

BTW, how much does Chicago wanna win?  Players went to Kenny Williams to discuss paycuts to get Konerko back.


imo they have to be "all in" in 2011 as players like Danks and Ramirez get more expensive and Peavy's contract begins to look more like an albatross. Buehrle is a FA after next season. Money is going to become tighter.

Dunn and Pierzynski deferred money in 2011 in order to get Konerko back. 
 
As much as it pains me to say this, Colby is either going to be worn down from August to the end of the season or get injured playing CF.
 
As much as it pains me to say this, Colby is either going to be worn down from August to the end of the season or get injured playing CF.
 
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