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[warmachine]

Originally Posted by jbone2308

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by jbone2308

If Hendo fight Mousasi, he gonna get wrecked. That dude may be worthy to challenge Spider.

Are you serious? Hendo is like the only dude to win a round against Spider. Plus, Henderson's chin is unrivaled. I doubt Mousasi could knock him out. Hendo has fought Spider, Wandy (twice), Rampage and Belfort without getting KO'ed.

I could be wrong but I believe the only reason Hendo went down from Andersons strikes to get choked out was because he didn't want to get KO'd or a TKO. Anderson put together a nice combo that was gonna lead to more strikes to knock him out. You guys are right Hendo has had a great crop of opponents. But you don't think Mousasi strikes accurate and hard enough to put him down if not submit him?

He went down because he got rocked and went for a takedown out of desperation, only to catch a perfect elbow for him to lose his senses and give up his back.IMO Hendo takes Mousasi. Hendo has a good top game and RARELY gets subbed (see palahares fight) standing up I see Gegard having a slight advantage but if Hendois losing he can easily take it to the ground, even Soko and MWs took Gegard down with less the ability of Hendo

 

[bastitch]

Originally Posted by WarMachine

Originally Posted by jbone2308

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by jbone2308

If Hendo fight Mousasi, he gonna get wrecked. That dude may be worthy to challenge Spider.

Are you serious? Hendo is like the only dude to win a round against Spider. Plus, Henderson's chin is unrivaled. I doubt Mousasi could knock him out. Hendo has fought Spider, Wandy (twice), Rampage and Belfort without getting KO'ed.

I could be wrong but I believe the only reason Hendo went down from Andersons strikes to get choked out was because he didn't want to get KO'd or a TKO. Anderson put together a nice combo that was gonna lead to more strikes to knock him out. You guys are right Hendo has had a great crop of opponents. But you don't think Mousasi strikes accurate and hard enough to put him down if not submit him?

He went down because he got rocked and went for a takedown out of desperation, only to catch a perfect elbow for him to lose his senses and give up his back. IMO Hendo takes Mousasi. Hendo has a good top game and RARELY gets subbed (see palahares fight) standing up I see Gegard having a slight advantage but if Hendo is losing he can easily take it to the ground, even Soko and MWs took Gegard down with less the ability of Hendo

Just say "No" to porn.

Thanks.

 

[venom lyrix]

TUF on now

 

[blackcease]

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1

Originally Posted by BlackCease



What does confidence have to do with sloppy grappling and almost get pounded out by a 260+ lb dude in mount position? Get off his !##%.

Anyway, like somebody else said he's been in trouble before many times and still came through with the win, that's definitely a mark of a champ and he's basically gonna be the favorite until the day he finally loses, I just wasn't expecting Brett Rogers to take it to him like he did.

Maybe I was watching a different fight? The groundwork by Fedor was not crisp by any means, but unless I'm crazy, I don't ever remember Rogers being in full mount and raining on Fedor. Maybe I have to go back and re-watch the fight, but I thought Fedor had him in his full guard (albeit a loose one with Rogers posturing up to throw). Admittedly I am a Fedor fan/apologist and I never thought he was in trouble, even when Rogers was standing over him and throwing punches. Sure Fedor ate a couple of good blows but even then he was working to try and isolate that arm and in fact used a sub attempt to transition out of that position.

Yea that's my bad you're right, he postured in guard, but Rogers wasn't just throwing a couple blows, dude was throwing bombs in there, and if hemanaged to get the sweep and put Fedor in that kind of trouble that easily, you can only imagine what Brock would've done.

But I just read Joe Rogan's apology/explanation for the Fedor got "exposed" comment on Twitter, and I think he made some good points, especiallyabout the size issue, and looking back, I guess a part of what I called "sloppy" was dude just getting bullied by a bigger guy. Sums up theFedor/Brock thing pretty well I think too. Here it is for anybody that cares:

I made a short twitter message about the Fedor Rogers fight, and I got a lot of feedback from it, so I thought I should elaborate when I got some free time.
What I said in the message was that I thought Fedor got exposed a bit.

What was going through my mind after the fight before I wrote that tweet, was that I was surprised that Rogers was able to easily reverse Fedor, despite the fact that he's not a very experienced grappler. The conventional wisdom was that if Fedor could get the fight to the ground he would be able to finish it quickly, but obviously that wasn't the case.

Rogers wasn't able to hold Fedor down and only landed a few clean shots, but I couldn't help wonder what Lesnar would have been able to do with that position.

I think part of Rogers' success there lays in that he's very powerful and athletic, and also that he's just such a huge guy. At 230lbs I absolutely believe that Fedor is the very best in the world, but at 265 I'm not sure if that weight difference is not too much of a disadvantage. For sure he's one of the top 3 pound for pound fighters in the world, and determining who is number 1 is really just a matter of opinion and speculation. The truly amazing thing about Fedor is that he has gone through his career as a heavyweight undefeated except for one cut, yet he could easily fight at 205 or possibly even at 185 if he really wanted to get crazy. That just shows you what a special fighter he is.

At heavyweight when guys like Lesnar or Rogers get up as big as 265 at the weigh in and maybe 20lbs over that during fight time I really wonder if these gigantic super athletic guys with better grappling like Brock might be able to exploit that size advantage where Rogers couldn't.

I've always been, and continue to be a huge fan of Fedor. I love his style, I love his no frills approach to training, and I love his emotionless approach to combat. Objectively though, I think there are some exploitable holes in his striking that we saw a little in the Arlovski fight, and the size disadvantage he has against the best big men might be a big problem if they were to meet as well. He's not perfect, but he sure is fun as hell to watch.

Really I would love to see Fedor fight anyone in the UFC, but if I had my choice I would want to see him fight Anderson over Brock. I think they are much closer in weight, and I think it could be an incredible fight.

The UFC pays me, and it's an honor to work for them, but I am and always will be a fan of all mixed martial arts. I watch it all, including all the HDNET fights, K-1, boxing, etc.

I have never been told to alter my opinions, and if it comes out of my mouth whether you agree with it or not, it's my opinion and not the talking points of my employers. There was a lot of talk after my twitter post, and I just wanted to clear things up as much as possible.

A lot can be lost in 140 characters. In the future I'll try to avoid confusing comments like that without elaborating on what I meant.

I don't know about the Fedor/Anderson thing, but aside from that he made some good points.

Nogueira vs. Velaquez has been confirmed

On what card? Damn that's a tough match for Cain, most likely an L. He can't knockout Congo (or Rothwell really), he's not knocking out Nogueira. Nogueira sub inside 3, then hopefully Mir/Nogueira 2.

 

[mosthated770]

man %+*% roy nelson

 

[chino905]

ughh this season sucks! lol

 

[Gill Baka Esq. LLC.]

Is it just me, or should Justin Wren have won that fight? Def. feel bad for him though he lookes distraught over that loss, but dude def. showed some greattalent in that fight. He just has to get better and improve his game a bit, I don't think he's where he needs to be at the moment to fight guys in theufc but he def has the potential out of all the fighters on this season who are a bunch of bums save a few.

 

[jbone2308]

Originally Posted by Bastitch

Originally Posted by WarMachine

Originally Posted by jbone2308

Originally Posted by an dee 51o

Originally Posted by jbone2308

If Hendo fight Mousasi, he gonna get wrecked. That dude may be worthy to challenge Spider.

Are you serious? Hendo is like the only dude to win a round against Spider. Plus, Henderson's chin is unrivaled. I doubt Mousasi could knock him out. Hendo has fought Spider, Wandy (twice), Rampage and Belfort without getting KO'ed.

I could be wrong but I believe the only reason Hendo went down from Andersons strikes to get choked out was because he didn't want to get KO'd or a TKO. Anderson put together a nice combo that was gonna lead to more strikes to knock him out. You guys are right Hendo has had a great crop of opponents. But you don't think Mousasi strikes accurate and hard enough to put him down if not submit him?

He went down because he got rocked and went for a takedown out of desperation, only to catch a perfect elbow for him to lose his senses and give up his back. IMO Hendo takes Mousasi. Hendo has a good top game and RARELY gets subbed (see palahares fight) standing up I see Gegard having a slight advantage but if Hendo is losing he can easily take it to the ground, even Soko and MWs took Gegard down with less the ability of Hendo

Just say "No" to porn.

Thanks.

Huh? I do agree with War Machine. You are right, but Hendo had to go to decision with Rich "Ace" Franklin. Even Joe Rogan agrees Fedor vs.Anderson would be much more interesting.

 

[bastitch]

http://www.fightline.com/news/mma/2009/1101/457482/index.shtml

 

[mojodmonky1]

^ why you hatin on War Bachine Bas?

dude is living the dream. Beating people up and F'in pornstars hahaha.

 

[mojodmonky1]

We are a day away from UFC 105 and no one seems to care? I mean I know its not the best card they've ever had (on paper) but it should be a prettycompetitive one. Not a whole lot of 1-sided favorites on this one. Some pretty easy draws.

Brandon Vera v. Randy Couture
Dennis Kang v. Michael Bisping
Mike Swick v. Dan Hardy
Matt Brown v. James Wilks
Aaron Riley v. Ross Pearson

For you MMA handicappers/bettors out there, heres my picks and analysis

I hate to bet against Captain America, but I think that this is a bigger fight for Vera than it is for Couture so Vera is gonna come out guns ablazin.Hopefully Vera can bait Couture into making this a kickboxing matchup, although that is probably wishful thinking. Vera just needs to find a way to stay offhis back. If he can stuff the takedown, I think Vera pulls this one out. If it hits the mat, I see Randy grinding out a Unanimous Decision. Although Randy isknown for his dirty boxing and ability to fight in the clinch and really impose his will, I don't think Vera is a slouch in the clinch and will be able toneutralize most of the heavier damage.
Odds: -110 Vera Bet: $198 to win $180

I hope my nationalism and bias to the Korean fighter is not clouding my ability to think objectively. I really like Kang in this fight as long as hedoesn't pull a bonehead move and give Bisping a gimme submission finish (like the Belcher fight or the Mousasi fight). Bisping doesnt have the power to 1punch KO Kang, so he is really going to have to eat a flurry of punches or kicks for him to lose by KO or TKO and quite frankly I just dont see that happening.Using the Hendo fight as an example, Hendo has that legendary KO power but his technique is not that crisp yet Bisping walked right into it. No doubt he'snot going to make that same mistake again, but I think he can be apt to some openings from a more technical striker (I'm not saying Kang's standup iselite level world class, but technically seems more sound than Hendo). Hopefully Kang can catch him early and finish with a flurry of his own and send Bispingback to gatekeeper status or worse.
Odds: -125 Kang Bet: $237.50 to win $190

The Swick vs. Hardy fight is an intriguing matchup for me as I haven't seen a lot of Dan Hardy. What I have seen thus far though has been less thanimpressive. My gut is telling me to max out every account I have and bet the house on Swick, but my better sense of judgment is stopping me from doing so. Fromwhat I've seen and read, it doesn't seem like Hardy really excels in any particular area, but is kinda just good overall (ie. Bisping). When you get awell overall rounded fighter who goes against a top level talent like Swick (arguable, but I think this guy deserves a chance to get his butt kicked by GSP) itusually doesn't end well for the "i kinda do everything above average" guy.
Odds: -250 Swick or +180 Hardy

NT let me know what you think. Should I make a 2u or bigger play on Swick or am I just uninformed about Hardy?

 

[jbone2308]

Brandon Vera v. Randy Couture- Vera
Dennis Kang v. Michael Bisping- Kang
Mike Swick v. Dan Hardy- Hardy
Matt Brown v. James Wilks- Brown
Aaron Riley v. Ross Pearson- Riley

 

[clutchshooter]

Originally Posted by Clutchshooter


PREDICTIONS:

randy couture vs. brandon vera (TKO, round 1)
mike swick vs. dan hardy (decision)
bisping vs. kang (tko, round 2)
therest ofthefights vs. r. irrelefante (draw) .

 

[mojodmonky1]

^ Clutch I know you get a lot of grief for your very opinionated remarks, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you seem to be fairly knowlegableabout the sport and are a big time fan of it.

Im curious as to your reasoning behind picking Bisping (via TKO no less) over Kang. When I play it out in my head, I just cant fathom any scenario whereBisping pulls out a stoppage. If it goes to the cards, I definitely can see Bisping outpointing Kang, but to finish him?

 

[club29]

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1

We are a day away from UFC 105 and no one seems to care? I mean I know its not the best card they've ever had (on paper) but it should be a pretty competitive one. Not a whole lot of 1-sided favorites on this one. Some pretty easy draws.

Brandon Vera v. Randy Couture
Dennis Kang v. Michael Bisping
Mike Swick v. Dan Hardy
Matt Brown v. James Wilks
Aaron Riley v. Ross Pearson

For you MMA handicappers/bettors out there, heres my picks and analysis

I hate to bet against Captain America, but I think that this is a bigger fight for Vera than it is for Couture so Vera is gonna come out guns ablazin. Hopefully Vera can bait Couture into making this a kickboxing matchup, although that is probably wishful thinking. Vera just needs to find a way to stay off his back. If he can stuff the takedown, I think Vera pulls this one out. If it hits the mat, I see Randy grinding out a Unanimous Decision. Although Randy is known for his dirty boxing and ability to fight in the clinch and really impose his will, I don't think Vera is a slouch in the clinch and will be able to neutralize most of the heavier damage.
Odds: -110 Vera Bet: $198 to win $180

I hope my nationalism and bias to the Korean fighter is not clouding my ability to think objectively. I really like Kang in this fight as long as he doesn't pull a bonehead move and give Bisping a gimme submission finish (like the Belcher fight or the Mousasi fight). Bisping doesnt have the power to 1 punch KO Kang, so he is really going to have to eat a flurry of punches or kicks for him to lose by KO or TKO and quite frankly I just dont see that happening. Using the Hendo fight as an example, Hendo has that legendary KO power but his technique is not that crisp yet Bisping walked right into it. No doubt he's not going to make that same mistake again, but I think he can be apt to some openings from a more technical striker (I'm not saying Kang's standup is elite level world class, but technically seems more sound than Hendo). Hopefully Kang can catch him early and finish with a flurry of his own and send Bisping back to gatekeeper status or worse.
Odds: -125 Kang Bet: $237.50 to win $190

The Swick vs. Hardy fight is an intriguing matchup for me as I haven't seen a lot of Dan Hardy. What I have seen thus far though has been less than impressive. My gut is telling me to max out every account I have and bet the house on Swick, but my better sense of judgment is stopping me from doing so. From what I've seen and read, it doesn't seem like Hardy really excels in any particular area, but is kinda just good overall (ie. Bisping). When you get a well overall rounded fighter who goes against a top level talent like Swick (arguable, but I think this guy deserves a chance to get his butt kicked by GSP) it usually doesn't end well for the "i kinda do everything above average" guy.
Odds: -250 Swick or +180 Hardy

NT let me know what you think. Should I make a 2u or bigger play on Swick or am I just uninformed about Hardy?

Excellently put.

I was actually trying to break down the Hardy/Swick fight earlier in my head, as this one (in my opinion) can easily go either way.

Im gonna go with my gut and say Swick on this one by 2nd rd TKO.

 

[bastitch]

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1

We are a day away from UFC 105 and no one seems to care? I mean I know its not the best card they've ever had (on paper) but it should be a pretty competitive one. Not a whole lot of 1-sided favorites on this one. Some pretty easy draws.

Brandon Vera v. Randy Couture
Dennis Kang v. Michael Bisping
Mike Swick v. Dan Hardy
Matt Brown v. James Wilks
Aaron Riley v. Ross Pearson

For you MMA handicappers/bettors out there, heres my picks and analysis

I hate to bet against Captain America, but I think that this is a bigger fight for Vera than it is for Couture so Vera is gonna come out guns ablazin. Hopefully Vera can bait Couture into making this a kickboxing matchup, although that is probably wishful thinking. Vera just needs to find a way to stay off his back. If he can stuff the takedown, I think Vera pulls this one out. If it hits the mat, I see Randy grinding out a Unanimous Decision. Although Randy is known for his dirty boxing and ability to fight in the clinch and really impose his will, I don't think Vera is a slouch in the clinch and will be able to neutralize most of the heavier damage.
Odds: -110 Vera Bet: $198 to win $180

I hope my nationalism and bias to the Korean fighter is not clouding my ability to think objectively. I really like Kang in this fight as long as he doesn't pull a bonehead move and give Bisping a gimme submission finish (like the Belcher fight or the Mousasi fight). Bisping doesnt have the power to 1 punch KO Kang, so he is really going to have to eat a flurry of punches or kicks for him to lose by KO or TKO and quite frankly I just dont see that happening. Using the Hendo fight as an example, Hendo has that legendary KO power but his technique is not that crisp yet Bisping walked right into it. No doubt he's not going to make that same mistake again, but I think he can be apt to some openings from a more technical striker (I'm not saying Kang's standup is elite level world class, but technically seems more sound than Hendo). Hopefully Kang can catch him early and finish with a flurry of his own and send Bisping back to gatekeeper status or worse.
Odds: -125 Kang Bet: $237.50 to win $190

The Swick vs. Hardy fight is an intriguing matchup for me as I haven't seen a lot of Dan Hardy. What I have seen thus far though has been less than impressive. My gut is telling me to max out every account I have and bet the house on Swick, but my better sense of judgment is stopping me from doing so. From what I've seen and read, it doesn't seem like Hardy really excels in any particular area, but is kinda just good overall (ie. Bisping). When you get a well overall rounded fighter who goes against a top level talent like Swick (arguable, but I think this guy deserves a chance to get his butt kicked by GSP) it usually doesn't end well for the "i kinda do everything above average" guy.
Odds: -250 Swick or +180 Hardy

NT let me know what you think. Should I make a 2u or bigger play on Swick or am I just uninformed about Hardy?

I'm not a betting man, but this is exactly how I would lay my money down if I were.

 

[clutchshooter]

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1

^ Clutch I know you get a lot of grief for your very opinionated remarks, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you seem to be fairly knowlegable about the sport and are a big time fan of it.

Im curious as to your reasoning behind picking Bisping (via TKO no less) over Kang. When I play it out in my head, I just cant fathom any scenario where Bisping pulls out a stoppage. If it goes to the cards, I definitely can see Bisping outpointing Kang, but to finish him?

bisping is going to be pretty motivated and he'll be heading out with that balls to the wall attitude he had early in his career.

kang on the other hand hasnt looked too impressive in the ufc yet. a defeat to belcher and a decision over foupa poukam who by all means he should havefinished.

bisping is capable of setting a torrid pace and if he stays aggressive and keeps his attack varied, i can definitely see him overwhelming kang even throughpure volume of strikes alone.

i know bisping isnt popular but the fact is the guy is a talented fighter. he's only got 2 defeats on his recored and they were both to guys that were orbecame world champions.

 

[therav4]

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1

We are a day away from UFC 105 and no one seems to care? I mean I know its not the best card they've ever had (on paper) but it should be a pretty competitive one. Not a whole lot of 1-sided favorites on this one. Some pretty easy draws.

Brandon Vera v. Randy Couture
Dennis Kang v. Michael Bisping
Mike Swick v. Dan Hardy
Matt Brown v. James Wilks
Aaron Riley v. Ross Pearson

For you MMA handicappers/bettors out there, heres my picks and analysis

I hate to bet against Captain America, but I think that this is a bigger fight for Vera than it is for Couture so Vera is gonna come out guns ablazin. Hopefully Vera can bait Couture into making this a kickboxing matchup, although that is probably wishful thinking. Vera just needs to find a way to stay off his back. If he can stuff the takedown, I think Vera pulls this one out. If it hits the mat, I see Randy grinding out a Unanimous Decision. Although Randy is known for his dirty boxing and ability to fight in the clinch and really impose his will, I don't think Vera is a slouch in the clinch and will be able to neutralize most of the heavier damage.
Odds: -110 Vera Bet: $198 to win $180

I hope my nationalism and bias to the Korean fighter is not clouding my ability to think objectively. I really like Kang in this fight as long as he doesn't pull a bonehead move and give Bisping a gimme submission finish (like the Belcher fight or the Mousasi fight). Bisping doesnt have the power to 1 punch KO Kang, so he is really going to have to eat a flurry of punches or kicks for him to lose by KO or TKO and quite frankly I just dont see that happening. Using the Hendo fight as an example, Hendo has that legendary KO power but his technique is not that crisp yet Bisping walked right into it. No doubt he's not going to make that same mistake again, but I think he can be apt to some openings from a more technical striker (I'm not saying Kang's standup is elite level world class, but technically seems more sound than Hendo). Hopefully Kang can catch him early and finish with a flurry of his own and send Bisping back to gatekeeper status or worse.
Odds: -125 Kang Bet: $237.50 to win $190

The Swick vs. Hardy fight is an intriguing matchup for me as I haven't seen a lot of Dan Hardy. What I have seen thus far though has been less than impressive. My gut is telling me to max out every account I have and bet the house on Swick, but my better sense of judgment is stopping me from doing so. From what I've seen and read, it doesn't seem like Hardy really excels in any particular area, but is kinda just good overall (ie. Bisping). When you get a well overall rounded fighter who goes against a top level talent like Swick (arguable, but I think this guy deserves a chance to get his butt kicked by GSP) it usually doesn't end well for the "i kinda do everything above average" guy.
Odds: -250 Swick or +180 Hardy

NT let me know what you think. Should I make a 2u or bigger play on Swick or am I just uninformed about Hardy?

I have been looking forward for this particular event for 2 months it seems. And remember the live airing is at 3pm, and the reair taping is at10pm on Spike. I will probably watch the live airing that starts in a few hours...I cannot wait. That being said my predictions for the card is nearly theexact opposite.

Couture over Vera (Couture will take him to the clinch.)
Swick over Hardy
Bisping over Kang (Kang is the better overall fighter, but I think Bisping will pace it and win it by points in decision.)
Wilks over Brown
Pearson over Riley

I'm a little biased though as I am picking the fighters I like for a couple of them.

 

[d0nt w0rry about it]

UFC 105 is LIVE RIGHT NOW.. STREAMS:

sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/24267 - SOPCAST stream for UFC105..

http://atdhe.net/7583/watch-ufc-105 - ATDHE.net stream for UFC 105..

 

[d0nt w0rry about it]

DAMN..

Aaron Riley's face/nose got MESSED UP!

 

[warmachine]

meh I don't like Bisping but he did look damn impressive

 

[d0nt w0rry about it]

So far this has been an entertaining event despite the lack of name power..

All of the fights shown on the broadcast have seen a finish rather than going to the judges.. [only one fight so far has gone to a decision and it was a prelimfight]

 

[lakersfan1]

Originally Posted by d0nt w0rry about it

So far this has been an entertaining event despite the lack of name power..

All of the fights shown on the broadcast have seen a finish rather than going to the judges.. [only one fight so far has gone to a decision and it was a prelim fight]

ya its been entertaining but nothing to really go crazy about,luckily its free or it wouldn't be worth it so far. Hardy and Swick seem like neither of themhave a chance against GSP all he has to do is go for takedown (correct me if im wrong)

 

[clutchshooter]

Originally Posted by Clutchshooter


PREDICTIONS:


bisping vs. kang (tko, round 2) .

Originally Posted by Clutchshooter


bisping is going to be pretty motivated and he'll be heading out with that balls to the wall attitude he had early in his career.

kang on the other hand hasnt looked too impressive in the ufc yet. a defeat to belcher and a decision over foupa poukam who by all means he should have finished.

bisping is capable of setting a torrid pace and if he stays aggressive and keeps his attack varied, i can definitely see him overwhelming kang even through pure volume of strikes alone.

i know bisping isnt popular but the fact is the guy is a talented fighter. he's only got 2 defeats on his recored and they were both to guys that were or became world champions.

Sherdog fight description:

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As Dan Miragliotta warns Kang that he needs to defend himself, he gets to his feet, only to be pelted with more knees and punches that force him right back down to all fours. Miragliotta steps in to rescue the overwhelmed Kang at 4:24 of the second round, giving Bisping the emphatic win.

.

 

[brownin187]

Mike Swick's counter punching is impressive but Hardy looks to have a lot more power. He mixes it up more too.