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100027 said:
Y'know I've answered every one of those 'points' so many times on this forum and in the end all they are is excuses for a player who isn't smart enough and isn't a leader.  I don't have anything more to say about it.
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So know he's not smart enough? Oh okay......:smh: .
 
100027 said:
Y'know I've answered every one of those 'points' so many times on this forum and in the end all they are is excuses for a player who isn't smart enough and isn't a leader.  I don't have anything more to say about it.
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I'll give you leadership, but not smart enough?

Jesus.
 
Melo isnt smart and isnt a leader bc his efficiency numbers arent as good as Lebron or Durant guise. Give it up.
 
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AllenIversonFan01 said:
Im not gonna get into switching players between teams and arguing if they would make the team better or worse. But I will say Lebron (and even Durant for that matter) benefits much more from their teammates abilities than Melo does. You rarely ever see those guys get doubled because they have another all star on their team to pass the ball to that can take over. JR is good. But im sure if a team had the choice of JR or Melo shooting they take JR 90% of the time. Where as the other teams you have to gameplan for the other stars on the team just as much as Bron and KD.

Melo gets double and triple teams thrown at him on a nightly basis and he passes out of them fairly well when he has to. Sure lets bring up him touching the ball 26 times in a half and only passing 3 when 18 or so of those touches were with 6 or less seconds on the shot clock. What else is he supposed to do besides look for his shot at that point. 

Does that mean Melo gets the trophy? I doubt it. Most of the public voters have made it pretty clear they are just riding the Bron wave (and I cant necessarily blame them) But take each guy off his respective team and the Knicks are in a much worse position than the Heat and the Thunder
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that would possibly make sense if we hadnt seen lebron year in and year out with the cavs...lead the east. And even get to the finals. I hope you arent saying those cavs teams were better then the current knicks team? Please dont tell me you really think lebron wasnt doubled and tripled team? Who was the other allstar (mo williams one year...but that was by default) great players...hell good players lebron defered to alll those years? Like someone else mentioned...to sum it up melo is a one trick pony. He is a more polished, more effiecient, more offensively sound version of a...jr smith, monte ellis etc.... He at best could be a part of a dynamic duo of some sort to a leader and superstar and win a chip. but a team lead by melo, in which he is the main focal point/the brains/leader of the team will not win. History, not just with him...but players of his statue, and similiar approach to the game has never won, and thats not gonna change with him, At best your gonna get highlights, exciting fun to watch seasons, with early to second round departure into the playoffs year after year with him.
 
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crazy talk in here man.

Melo for MVP? dribble, dribble, dribble, contested jumpshot Melo?

never made anyone that he's played with better Melo?

don't let Carmelo's ability to hit bad shots fool you lol.

that trophy already has Lebron's name engraved on it, and rightfully so.

26, 10, 8 with such comfort that you ain't 'eem know it.

it takes a certain kind of individual to dispute/hate blatant greatness.
 
Buddy...Durant isn't in the stratosphere of lebron

The only person who can make lebron suck has always been lebron.
 
Its pretty easy to say Melo will never get the finals when he has to go through a super team to get there. I mean if he gets through the Heat does that make him "Smarter" or "Better" to some of you?


GirthBrooks said:
it takes a certain kind of individual to dispute/hate blatant greatness.
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Who in here has said they hate/dispute Lebrons Greatness tho? Dude is the best player in the league hands down and its not even close. But if we are voting on MVP it isnt Bron on a super team. Just saying.
 
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RipC said:
Carmelo isn't even in the same stratosphere as Bron and KD. C'mon y'all.
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By who's standard? Because people in here say hes not a superstar but legends of the game and his peers call him one....so who's perception of his skills have more weight? Players who have been on that level and know what he goes thru or those who sit on the couch with their laptops who play pickup ball at best. Regardless at the end of the day its all opinions and nobody is gonna change anybody elses their mind just off what they type.
 
GirthBrooks said:
crazy talk in here man.

Melo for MVP? dribble, dribble, dribble, contested jumpshot Melo?

never made anyone that he's played with better Melo?

don't let Carmelo's ability to hit bad shots fool you lol.

that trophy already has Lebron's name engraved on it, and rightfully so.

26, 10, 8 with such comfort that you ain't 'eem know it.

it takes a certain kind of individual to dispute/hate blatant greatness.
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exactly and not to mention he does it effortlessly...he controls the tempo and game...and at the same time plays and does what he does in the flow of the game. Melo whole game is forced.... KD gets 50 points in a night is him just being hot...and taking what the defense gives him...and he would do it effortless and it would actually mean something. Melo gets 50, its him basically going against the flow of the game, forcing shots, not including others...neglecting the other side of the court, and making it his mission to get 50. Thats cool for a scoring title, and sportcenter highlights, but that just wont cut it, in terms of winning a chip.
 
AllenIversonFan01 said:
Its pretty easy to say Melo will never get the finals when he has to go through a super team to get there. I mean if he gets through the Heat does that make him "Smarter" or "Better" to some of you?
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It would mean he is a player who can be a real winner. Which is the whole point. My contention has always been that he is a player who will get his stats and look good with heroball but prevents your squad from reaching truly elite status.
 
jumpman91023 said:
By who's standard? Because people in here say hes not a superstar but legends of the game and his peers call him one....so who's perception of his skills have more weight? Players who have been on that level and know what he goes thru or those who sit on the couch with their laptops who play pickup ball at best. Regardless at the end of the day its all opinions and nobody is gonna change anybody elses their mind just off what they type.
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I mean his last two coaches hated him.
 
Haha in the interview they just had on nba tv with JR SMITH, dude was questioning him on his shoe game

Where they do that at
 
LeBron is the best player on the planet but he has the best supporting group and set off all-stars in the league.

Melo is not on LeBrons level, nor is KD.

Those are the facts, so lets stop arguing. Even tho a bunch of people are just running around in here putting words in people's mouth and getting everything twisted.
 
You can tell who watches the games and who watches First Take...now Melo forces his way to get 50 now :lol:

Those 40-50 point games where he shoots well over 60% while playing the PF position and grabbing double digit rebounds is certainly forcing the issue.

and nobody is on Lebrons level, wtf would you compare Melo to him.
 
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jumpman91023 said:
By who's standard? Because people in here say hes not a superstar but legends of the game and his peers call him one....so who's perception of his skills have more weight? Players who have been on that level and know what he goes thru or those who sit on the couch with their laptops who play pickup ball at best. Regardless at the end of the day its all opinions and nobody is gonna change anybody elses their mind just off what they type.
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I mean his last two coaches hated him.
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That would be because both coaches like to run a fast break centered offense. How many times do you see Melo running the break (my bad you dont watch Knicks games anyways you just look at stats). Ill give you a hint. Its fairly close to 0.

Boeheim and Woody both love him because they run a half court style offense. Its all relative. 
 
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jumpman91023 said:
By who's standard? Because people in here say hes not a superstar but legends of the game and his peers call him one....so who's perception of his skills have more weight? Players who have been on that level and know what he goes thru or those who sit on the couch with their laptops who play pickup ball at best. Regardless at the end of the day its all opinions and nobody is gonna change anybody elses their mind just off what they type.
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by the standards of wins, accolades, accomplishments, chips etc... all to which melo hasnt done much of anything. Melo so called superstar status has more to do with the current stae of commercialism, popularity...and flash highlights...hell a year ago ppl were saying jeremy lin, nba players past and present..saying he was a great player...superstar potential. Now we see he is at best a starting pg on a team with no ther options, and a servicable...decent backup at best on a winning/championship team.

What has melo shown/displayed outside having a natural ability to score? Name something that separates melo from any other good/great player...that doesnt include his natural ability to score...and he isnt even the best at that anymore..cough cough durant for one. I get the if you can only do one thing be the best at it, but now he isnt even the best at the one thing he could do.
 
AllenIversonFan01 said:
That would be because both coaches like to run a fast break centered offense. How many times do you see Melo running the break (my bad you dont watch Knicks games anyways you just look at stats). Ill give you a hint. Its fairly close to 0.

Boeheim and Woody both love him because they run a half court style offense. Its all relative. 
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I live in NY and watch MSG. I also know a million Knick fans and none of them are as ardently pro-Melo as the people on here.

I'm going to check out of this never ending debate now and let the results speak for themselves.
 
100027 said:
It would mean he is a player who can be a real winner. Which is the whole point. My contention has always been that he is a player who will get his stats and look good with heroball but prevents your squad from reaching truly elite status.
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Word. The only way melo becomes a winner is if he quits on his team and colluded with a former finals MVP winner and another star. And then recruits amazing role players


Only then will you be called a "winner"


I mean think about what you said. Lebron wasntt a winner until he formed a super team and won

But if melo who doesnt have anywhere near the same talent on his team, doesn't beat that respective super team, he can never be a "winner"
 
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