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Which Kobe was better

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In a sport where the draft is truly the bloodline of success, there's no question that what Hinkie did was ballsy, and IMO exposed what's wrong with talent acquisition in the NBA as far as the draft is concerned.

You could argue that the single most efficient way to get your hands on a Kobe Bryant, Anthony Davis, Lebron James level talent is through the draft and Hinkie made absolutely sure that he'd have the best chance to have as many high lotto talents as possible. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Sam did, and is probably a necessary evil if you want to make sure you end up with top tier talent on cost efficient deals.
 
pch roadwinder said:
In a sport where the draft is truly the bloodline of success, there's no question that what Hinkie did was ballsy, and IMO exposed what's wrong with talent acquisition in the NBA as far as the draft is concerned.

You could argue that the single most efficient way to get your hands on a Kobe Bryant, Anthony Davis, Lebron James level talent is through the draft and Hinkie made absolutely sure that he'd have the best chance to have as many high lotto talents as possible. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Sam did, and is probably a necessary evil if you want to make sure you end up with top tier talent on cost efficient deals.
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Exactly. The differences between even 5-10 wins in a season could put them several spots back which means you REALLY have to hit on the pick. However, he increased the likelihood of drafting a star by ensuring he was near the top.

Now eventually those guys will need to get paid and you’ll need to make tough decisions but that was the only way out. Look at how many teams stayed in the cellar for so long.
 
storm2006 said:
Exactly. The differences between even 5-10 wins in a season could put them several spots back which means you REALLY have to hit on the pick. However, he increased the likelihood of drafting a star by ensuring he was near the top.

Now eventually those guys will need to get paid and you’ll need to make tough decisions but that was the only way out. Look at how many teams stayed in the cellar for so long.
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Steph Curry was drafted. Tim Duncan was Drafted. Kawhi was essentially drafted. LBJ was drafted. Dwyane Wade was drafted. Orlando drafted Shaq and was in the finals by 94'. The Thunder drafted KD in 07' and Russ in 08' and Harden in 09 and by 2013 were in the finals.

Winning big in the NBA is all about hitting in the draft. It's the most valuable asset in the NBA. If you get it right it changes the next 15 years for your franchise. It's almost a prerequisite for winning. Because it's so important, it makes 100% sense to attack tanking the way Hinkie did. That's not to say that you have to approach it as blatantly as he did, but to maximize your chance(s) at winning big you probably should.
 
Look at all the teams that have actually won championships recently. Miami San Antonio golden state. Even also rans like okc Houston Boston etc. None of them have gone this route but the reasoning for the process is that this is how you build a dynasty? I guess
 
If tanking is now acceptable theres no integrity in the game

At least pretend like you tryna win every game

Cuz for all tanking if they dont make at least a finals together
 
leemelone said:
Look at all the teams that have actually won championships recently. Miami San Antonio golden state. Even also rans like okc Houston Boston etc. None of them have gone this route but the reasoning for the process is that this is how you build a dynasty? I guess
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Let’s break that down famb.

Miami - Had DWade who was tight with LBJ and the cap situation just worked out that Bosh and Lebby were FAs in the same offseason so it worked out they could team up.

San Antonio - Drafted Duncan, TP, Ginobili and Kawhi.

GS - Drafted Steph, Klay and Draymond.

Looking at where those guys got drafted, they weren’t all high but I think it’s safe to say they have exceptional scouts. If you do not then you are best suited making sure your picks are high as possible and that you have as many as possible.

I think it’s unfair to claim to we are saying it’s how you build a dynasty but if you’re a team that’s been in the middle of the road for a decade, at a franchise with no recent success allure, in a city that most players aren’t thrilled about and you want to build a contender with a mediocre scouting staff then this is a brilliant path.
 
What hinkie did isn't necessary to succeed in the NBA, but hitting in the draft is absolutely necessary to win.

Because of that fact, it's optimal that you give yourself the best chance to hit in the lotto. Turning your team into a D-League team does exactly that. So from that standpoint, "The process" is probably the most efficient way of giving yourself a chance to win the draft lottery.

You don't "have to" go the hinkie route to become a "dynasty" I don't think anyone would say that. But it unequivocally gives you the best chance to acquire cost efficient elite level talent. That part isn't up for the debate. The issue isn't hinkie's process, it's the process of getting high picks.
 
You're the Pelicans GM this summer, do you:

Max out Boogie, knowing he'll likely never be the same player and handcuffing the team.

or

Let Boogie go and trade AD to get what you can, but risk becoming the Magic for the foreseeable future.
 
pmatic said:
You're the Pelicans GM this summer, do you:

Max out Boogie, knowing he'll likely never be the same player and handcuffing the team.

or

Let Boogie go and trade AD to get what you can, but risk becoming the Magic for the foreseeable future.
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The second one makes more sense. **** being an 8th seed for another 5 years. I know they need to put butts in seats but that’s not the way to keep continued success.
 
pmatic said:
You're the Pelicans GM this summer, do you:

Max out Boogie, knowing he'll likely never be the same player and handcuffing the team.

or

Let Boogie go and trade AD to get what you can, but risk becoming the Magic for the foreseeable future.
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Trade AD.

They're ******. He's gone at the end of this deal. Should move him while they can still land a great package in return for him.
 
pmatic said:
You're the Pelicans GM this summer, do you:

Max out Boogie, knowing he'll likely never be the same player and handcuffing the team.

or

Let Boogie go and trade AD to get what you can, but risk becoming the Magic for the foreseeable future.
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We’re talking about Orlando when they Dwight walk? Cause they haven’t recovered from that and it was what 7 years ago

Maxing Cousins is a risk.

C) trade AD to Boston for everything
 
addict4sneakers said:
We’re talking about Orlando when they Dwight walk? Cause they haven’t recovered from that and it was what 7 years ago

Maxing Cousins is a risk.

C) trade AD to Boston for everything
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Yes, the Pelicans risk becoming what the Magic have become since 2012.

The Celtics would be my target team too. Only issue is the Pelicans would have to take back Horford to make the salaries match (doubt they trade away Hayward) or get another team involved.
 
pmatic said:
You're the Pelicans GM this summer, do you:

Max out Boogie, knowing he'll likely never be the same player and handcuffing the team.

or

Let Boogie go and trade AD to get what you can, but risk becoming the Magic for the foreseeable future.
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I don't think they can or will have to max Boogie this summer. Other than the Lakers nobody else really has room to offer him a max deal or close to it.

As far as AD, I think you have to play out next season at the very least (see how Boogie looks) and if things don't progress at all, trade him the following summer where he still has 2 years left on his current deal (ala Kyrie) and the market should still be robust.

The Tatum/Brown + pick package will still be there then. Just have to pray AD doesn't request a trade before next summer.
 
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