OFFICIAL NBA 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

[second2nonee]

Imagine he had Teague and Jimmy. Knicks would've won 55 games. Hell Will Barton is better than any player we have now outside of KP.

KAT for as good as he is can't event cut it as the #2 option.

alright i gotta stop you there. this is pushing it

 

[BIG FISH]

Dude listed Teague like he’s an impact player or something

 

[BIG FISH]

We going at KAT and Jokic while Giannis is a supposed MVP candidate that can’t even get homecourt in the East

 

[ballinsam23]

KAT couldn't lead the Wolves past 20 wins as the #1 option so idk what you're saying.

Yes 5 rebounds. With 7 mother ******* blocks though

 

[ballinsam23]

Dude listed Teague like he’s an impact player or something

Better than any PG Knicks had since Kidd and Walt Clyde Frazier.

 

[addict4sneakers]

We going at KAT and Jokic while Giannis is a supposed MVP candidate that can’t even get homecourt in the East

Can’t slander a man that’s lead his team to consecutive playoff appearances at 23. Should they be better? Yes

 

[BIG FISH]

Bookmarking this page for a few years from now

 

[ballinsam23]

Point is unless you play both sides of the ball, and show flashes that you can dominate on both ends, I don't wanna hear KAT or Jokic being better than KP.

 

[amitt5504]

Better than any PG Knicks had since Kidd and Walt Clyde Frazier.

Tony Wroten slander is not tolerated lol

 

[Mr.Guy]

dis got me leanin

Which thread do you like better Frederick?

 

[addict4sneakers]

Point is unless you play both sides of the ball, and show flashes that you can dominate on both ends, I don't wanna hear KAT or Jokic being better than KP.

What if I told you KP had worse defensive numbers than both Jokic and KAT?

 

[BIG FISH]

KP isn’t better than KAT lmao and blocking shots doesn’t make you a good defender

 

[VARNELL HILL]

@ KP being "dominant" on defense

 

[Lizakers]

Can’t front Fultz looked good

 

[freddy fig]

Which thread do you like better Frederick?

im a barbashop cat ya herdme

 

[ballinsam23]

Not about to look through all the stats. But right before KP went down there were numerous stats pointing to him being the top in the league in post defense and defensive efficiency ratings.

 

[addict4sneakers]

Not about to look through all the stats. But right before KP went down there were numerous stats pointing to him being the top in the league in post defense and defensive efficiency ratings.

I got you homie

https://www.basketball-reference.co...okic&y3=2018&player_id3=jokicni01&idx=players

 

[carver]

I got you homie

https://www.basketball-reference.co...okic&y3=2018&player_id3=jokicni01&idx=players

Interesting

 

[gaiiige]

howling @ jokic being a better defender than kp

these defensive advanced analytics suck

 

[BIG FISH]

Those stats also show that KAT is superior to Jokic in literally everything except passing

 

[Clyde Frog]

I got you homie

https://www.basketball-reference.co...okic&y3=2018&player_id3=jokicni01&idx=players

Didnt know you could do this.

that website is special.

 

[ballinsam23]

Games played gotta be factored into that. Ain't no way you gonna tell me KAT is better defensively.

This is why I'm 50/50 on the analytics, because KAT got Taj Gibson covering his *** meanwhile KP gotta look at everyone that blows by Jarret Jack and Enes Kanter. KAT is well known to be a swinging door on defense.

Offensively? Sure I'm on board with the analytics most the time. How do they even measure certain defensive analytics. Watching the games will tell you a different story.

 

[hardens beard]

Didnt know you could do this.

that website is special.

Cleaning the glass > basketball reference

 

[B Sox]

I perfer the tysiny eye test for defense. But seriously, I don't think advanced defensive stats are nearly as useful as the offensive ones.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Jokic literally gets taken out the game in crucial stretches because he gets lit up on defense so much, IDC what those stats say He's Far worse than KAT & KP on defense. Not to mention that Kat has improved his defense this year, he isn't good but he's no longer a "turnstyle".

If we are going by these numbers Both Westbrook & Harden are above average defenders (which isn't true) but they aren't as bad as people make them out to be.