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In no particular order. Steph, Russ, CP3, Kyrie
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In no particular order. Steph, Russ, CP3, Kyrie
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People love calling Wall’s defense overrated (it is) as if the other top pg’s defense isn’t trash outside of CP3 
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At one time, Monta had it all, so I understand
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It IS a slight. He’s at worst top 2.
It’s like some people still cant accept the fact that a 190 pound 6 foot 3 inch lightskin guard dominates this era. Words and statements like “overall player” “defense” “two way player” get interjected as backhanded slights to some of Steph’s “deficiencies.”
They seem to apply only to him though for some reason because these same pundits will ignore Dray’s lack of offensive skill and say he’s better than Blake or Kevin Love based on IMPACT. Why can’t the same thing be applicable to Steph? All the numbers, wins the last three years, championships prove that his impact is greater than KD’s..
(Also, he’s a much better player than Draymond)
Pundits etc. are attached to old stereotypes, tropes and how a prototypical player looks with his level of greatness. Curry doesn’t fit any of those attributes so old NBA players, NFL players, etc., who used musty cliches, come up with all these “reasons” why he’s great such as “he has a great team” “it’s the players AROUND him” “incredible bench play, best ever!.” It’s rarely attributed solely to Steph’s greatness because they don’t understand what they are seeing.
Hence, the constant goal posts shifting.
I think also what people get caught up in is the hypethetical; dream up these scenarios if such and such played one on one they would lose blah blah.
Anyway, it’s annoying and some of these hypethetical scenarios have even been played out, like a 2K game but with the sliders turned up and he STILL proved y’all wrong. Then y’all move more goal posts.
For example, with a ailing knee, sprained ankle, and down 3-1, all favorable circumstances for a more talented team, KD lost. Yet, people still can’t rank him higher than KD.
Another example is now, KD, with the same “superior” core squad, has a large enough sample size to compare when leading the Warriors; the offense look ordinary.
The narrative has shifted to “well, the team was built around Steph” same dudes who said ANYBODY with that roster can get the same results were proven wrong again.
Funny to ya boi.
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People love calling Wall’s defense overrated (it is) as if the other top pg’s defense isn’t trash outside of CP3
That's true. But his "defense" is a big part of the argument why he's a top PG. Otherwise you got to start addressing his offense and that broke *** jumper
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In no particular order but Kyrie, Steph, Russ, Dame, CP3.
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Not tryna see the Wolves in the playoffs at all. Quick rebuild garbage they tried to pull after getting fleeced by the Bulls.
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Who cares about pg d. That ish is overrated af . Probably the position in which defense is of least importance. Just don't be Steve Nash or it and it's all good
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Don't know what Indy has to do with anything. And in case you forgot I'm rooting for an early OKC flame out.
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Russ needed more help, they seemingly fleeced Indy by exchanging someone in Vic that didn't help Russ at all for a perennial All Star in Black Paul
They had a now supposed "Super Team"
Today, somehow Indy has a worse record than Indy
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Referencing one series to make your point that Steph > KD doesn't make any sense. GSW was up 3-1 in the finals the SAME year and Steph came up lame. The previous year when they won against LeBron and the Cavs reserves, Curry didn't even win finals MVP. The year they won WITH KD, Curry didn't win finals MVP
So that argument can easily go both ways fam. But do you.
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They rank rock bands and discuss trips to micro breweries in that thread ...it’s a bbq in there n a cook out here
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Steph in his own tier.
Then Russ/CP3/Kyrie/Dame/Wall on the next.
Then Russ/CP3/Kyrie/Dame/Wall on the next.
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Explain how we got fleeced.
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Need to say this louder. Everyone always slanders this PG and that PG yet guys like IT and Nash have flourished on playoff teams
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We still not considering Harden a PG
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Who started the Russ got too much help? Or needs less help this season? I've said almost from the beginning that Melo coming was overkill.
Show me who predicted an all star season by Vic before the season, had Indy as a top 5 seed, or thought they won the trade at the time though.
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I was about to but I figured it wasn't essential to the overall spirit of the topic lol
We still not considering Harden a PG
I would do
Steph own tier
Harden own tier
CP3 own tier
Russ/Irving/Dame/Wall tier
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We still not considering Harden a PG
He's a primary ball handler at the 2
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You guys got rid of your 2nd best young player (Lavine), someone who you gave up on (Dunn), and arguably the next great white hope (Lauri). It was an ALL IN trade and you cant even make the playoffs.
Not sure anyone signs in Minnesota either. KAT has no impact outside the stat sheet, Jimmy is the goods, Teague on the downfall of his career, and Wiggins i'm not sure is better than Wilson Chandler. Threw your future out for what? To be a border line playoff team?
Also, who the **** is Justin Patton
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I just think it’s funny that people try to put Kyrie on a higher level than Dame and Wall purely because he won a title as a second option lol
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Minny essentially banked on Wiggins being a legit all-star talent that can complement KAT and Butler to be a potential contender. Traded 2 young prospects on rookie deals as well as the 7th pick in a loaded draft. Jimmy only under contract for one more year. You think this is going to end well?
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This is all irrelevant because you’re conveniently forgetting we were the 3rd seed before Jimmy went down
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