OFFICIAL NBA 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

[100027]

My eye test has a TS% of 101%.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

It doesn't make sense to stand out shooting a bunch 3's if it ain't falling. Make the game easier for yourself by moving in. How about pass the ball to dudes that are good 3pt shooters? You f'n up the offense and defense by shooting 30% throwing up 3's but the nerds say it's alright so yeah. Lol

 

[freeze]

He's eating a lifesaver

Lol @ the irony of eating one....and needing one..

 

[trynafeelmink]

Working in the midrange puts more pressure on the defense than being a three point threat, stretching the defense out, and opening up more space for everyone else? What kind of Byron Scott philosophy is this?

Clearly your comprehension is off or you didn't follow the context of the convo. BI isn't a great three point shooter yet, however people are demanding that he takes a much lower percentage shot for himself, rather then a shot he's more confident in & makes at a higher rate.

They also aren't taking into consideration that he puts much more pressure on the defense working from 20ft & under then he would running a iso 25+ feet away and hoisting a three when the entire floor knows that's not a good shot for him yet.

 

[nick.]

LEGENDS

A 1x MVP winner & a rapper

 

[geno90221]

A 1x MVP winner & a rapper

A Savage and a Beast

 

[geno90221]

F Kobe and that beard

 

[addict4sneakers]

They also aren't taking into consideration that he puts much more pressure on the defense working from 20ft & under then he would running a iso 25+ feet away and hoisting a three when the entire floor knows that's not a good shot for him yet.

But you’re shrinking the floor and adding a higher degree of difficulty shooting a contested mid range jumper. If he’s indeed isolating, either shoot the 3 or get to the rack. The step backs will be there but making a living off of stare down mid range jumpers is hard to do.

 

[Based Jesus]

From Frobe to Kobeard.

 

[yobyellav]

People take the number of mvp awards you have seriously?

 

[MVP]

People take the number of mvp awards you have seriously?

Depends on who the player is.

 

[firstclass]

My eye test has a TS% of 101%.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

It's not good basketball because of who he is as a player, not because the 3 is inherently worse than the 2. If his foot was on the line on all of them I doubt your opinion of his shot selection would be better.

Even at a 30% clip it's not a good shot. Can't really explain it to non hoopers

 

[ill steelo]

He avg 13 on 47% post all star break last year. This year so far 15 on 45% at 20 years old. Good thing you ain't a GM.

Last year, you're basically isolating the month of March. Every other month his shots and points were basically equal. Then you look at March and you see 30% from deep and 53% from the line on a low free throw rate. He shot 52% overall tho, without even looking at his heatmap you can tell that he was hitting at an unsustainable rate on two point jumpers, this is borne out when you look at literally every other month from that season where, again, his shots and points are basically identical.

All of this goes back to shoeking's point, his shot selection is not ideal.

This tells me that over an 82 game sample, he's shooting himself in the foot from a consistency point of view.

This season, they've played all of 10 games, so its a little early to comment on anything. At first glance, he's still taking too many 2s vs. 3s from a jumpshot perspective. But again, its early. Maybe this flips as we play more games.

 

[Bert.]

F Kobe and that beard

the beard is awesome

 

[Maximus Meridius]

But you’re shrinking the floor and adding a higher degree of difficulty shooting a contested mid range jumper. If he’s indeed isolating, either shoot the 3 or get to the rack. The step backs will be there but making a living off of stare mid range jumpers is hard to do.

The way the Lakers are moving the ball he's getting open mid range shots. Even his ones off the dribble with a defender on him have been good money cuz of his length. Again, nobody is saying don't shoot 3's but for now play to your strength.

Last year, you're basically isolating the month of March. Every other month his shots and points were basically equal. Then you look at March and you see 30% from deep and 53% from the line on a low free throw rate. He shot 52% overall tho, without even looking at his heatmap you can tell that he was hitting at an unsustainable rate on two point jumpers, this is borne out when you look at literally every other month from that season where, again, his shots and points are basically identical.

All of this goes back to shoeking's point, his shot selection is not ideal.

This tells me that over an 82 game sample, he's shooting himself in the foot from a consistency point of view.

This season, they've played all of 10 games, so its a little early to comment on anything. At first glance, he's still taking too many 2s vs. 3s from a jumpshot perspective. But again, its early. Maybe this flips as we play more games.

At the of the day he's a kid that's improving as time goes on.

 

[a-friend]

Those dudes look like they enjoy a good pegging.

0 reps on this post.
NT needs it's *** whipped, good.

 

[trynafeelmink]

But you’re shrinking the floor and adding a higher degree of difficulty shooting a contested mid range jumper. If he’s indeed isolating, either shoot the 3 or get to the rack. The step backs will be there but making a living off of stare mid range jumpers is hard to do.

if your a bad three point shooter & your hovering around the three point line A lot are you really expanding the floor or making it easier for the opposind defense to collapse on cutters & shooters?

Also all of his midrange jumpers aren't contested & many come as a result of him trying to attack the basket. he isn't going to get to the rim everytime, but he has a much easier chance of getting there if he catches it at 18-20 ft rather 25+

- Get it at 18-20 attempt to get to the basket, worse case scenario you take a contested mid range Jumper that your comfortable with & have shown that you could hit at a decent clip.
- Get it at 25+ and make it more difficult to get to the basket, worst case scenario you take a contested three that your not comfortable with & haven't proven to consistently hit yet.

Also the majority of his shots are coming at the basket, he's taken 25 shots from 15-19, compared to 18 3PA so far....

 

[Lovetohate3000]

0 reps on this post.
NT needs it's *** whipped, good.

i suspect most of nt has the same fashion sense and try and mimic these cute outfits in they day to day lives

 

[EddieDoyers]

0 reps on this post.
NT needs it's *** whipped, good.

i suspect most of nt has the same fashion sense and try and mimic these cute outfits in they everyday lives

Do you guys really need reps to justify your opinion? lol

 

[hardens beard]

Spoiler

 

[Lovetohate3000]

Do you guys really need reps to justify your opinion? lol

lol. Of course not. My opinion still stands.

 

[addict4sneakers]

if your a bad three point shooter & your hovering around the three point line A lot are you really expanding the floor or making it easier for the opposind defense to collapse on cutters & shooters?

Also all of his midrange jumpers aren't contested & many come as a result of him trying to attack the basket. he isn't going to get to the rim everytime, but he has a much easier chance of getting there if he catches it at 18-20 ft rather 25+

- Get it at 18-20 attempt to get to the basket, worse case scenario you take a contested mid range Jumper that your comfortable with & have shown that you could hit at a decent clip.
- Get it at 25+ and make it more difficult to get to the basket, worst case scenario you take a contested three that your not comfortable with & haven't proven to consistently hit yet.

Also the majority of his shots are coming at the basket, he's taken 25 shots from 15-19, compared to 18 3PA so far....

But if you’re standing behind the 3 point, you’re doing your teammates a service by maintaining spacing. Catching at 18 feet off the rip is terrible unless your a big and even then they’re getting away from that.

If he maintains spacing, he’s a poor close away from putting pressure on the defense due to where he’s standing on the floor. No one is closing out poorly to you if you’re inside the 3 pt line. Ever. It’s way easier to get to the basket out of a spot up situation when you’re behind the 3 point line.

Unless I’m reading what you’re saying incorrectly

 

[MVP]

"Several people have repped me" is still in the rafters.

 

[MVP]

But if you’re standing behind the 3 point, you’re doing your teammates a service by maintaining spacing. Catching at 18 feet off the rip is terrible unless your a big and even then they’re getting away from that.

If he maintains spacing, he’s a poor close away from putting pressure on the defense due to where he’s standing on the floor. No one is closing out poorly to you if you’re inside the 3 pt line. Ever. It’s way easier to get to the basket out of a spot up situation when you’re behind the 3 point line.

Unless I’m reading what you’re saying incorrectly

If you're not a threat from 3 they aren't going to guard you out there, so the spacing is actually compromised.