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Hornets have been healthy all season long. If the Lakers had half the health Hornets had then they'd be 3-4 games better off atleast. Kobe has kept thisteam afloat while Andrew and Pau and Trevor have been out.
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Originally Posted by LA Laker Devotee
Hornets have been healthy all season long. If the Lakers had half the health Hornets had then they'd be 3-4 games better off atleast. Kobe has kept this team afloat while Andrew and Pau and Trevor have been out.
I don't get the notion that Kobe isn't making his teammates better but everyone else is. I mean it just makes no sense. Let's look in the case of CP3 and Kobe. Both have the same teammates for the most part....both of their teams jumped to the top of the West. CP3 gets credit for making his team better but Kobe...oh his teammates just stepped up not him?Then let's not forget that the Hornets probably make the playoffs next year without injuries. The Lakers meanwhile have had an injury to pretty much every important piece to their puzzle yet have been in the top 4 pretty much all year. Also one of these players is playing with a mangled finger on his shooting hand. Some people have forgotten because his play is just as high as if he was at 100%. That will also factor in. So while I can see why CP3 would get it...I have a hard time believing that Kobe isn't the MVP. It has nothing to do with my fanhood either. Just the way I see it....if he doesn't get it, it's because people (writers) are still harboring feelings from an incident almost 5 years ago.
So franchise what you're saying is that assists= making teammates better and that because that Kobe isn't averaging a lot of assists, his teammates are just sepping up their game?
No, that's not what I'm saying.
Let's take ONE example, and break it down.
Andrew Bynum
Does Kobe make this kid better than he seems, or is it because Andrew's OWN game is progressing?
Keep in mind that Andrew dedicated himself to that big man's camp last summer to work on his game.
Andrew's numbers when he was healthy, is a product of Andrew stepping up, or Kobe setting dude up?
Keep in mind, that before the season even started, one of the reasons why Kobe wanted out (not saying Kobe was going to go anywhere) but he voiced hisdispleasure of the front office NOT trading away Bynum for a Kidd or a Jermaine O'Neal. This dude Kobe didn't even think Bynum had enough game to makea worthwhile impact on this Lakers team.
It's clear that Andrew stepped up his game coming into this season.
If it was the other way around, and Kobe was missing time, how many Lakers fan would think Andrew would then resort to 'eh' status? Sure, Bynum'snumbers might be down a bit, but he'd still be pretty good. And would still put up good numbers. Kobe or no Kobe. Bynum's game has progressed thatmuch, and it's still progressing.
You flip it around, and again, you'd have to watch Hornets games to 'get it.'
Tyson Chandler. Albeit it's 2 points more than last season, nevertheless, this is still the most points he's averaged in his career for Chandler.
CP3 and Tyson lead the league in alley oop plays. The duo behind them isn't even close. I think it's Turk and Dwight.
CP3 sets up this dude Tyson on a regular basis. Watch a Hornets game, and CP3 is lobbing it up to Tyson all game.
Without CP3, dude might go back to his Bulls days, offensive numberswise.
Hornets fans know better than me, and I'm pretty sure Tyson doesn't really have any offensive go to moves really. Nothing consistent anyway.
And again, outside of the Hornets big 3, Tyson, Peja and David (who's good, don't get me wrong) it's SLIM pickings for CP3. Go look at that team.
The numbers overall on a whole don't lie.
CP3 + MVP-like season = Tyson Chandler career best PPG
CP3 + MVP-like season = Peja shooting the best 3PT% in his career
CP3 + MVP-like season = David West - All-Star
CP3 + MVP-like season = Catapulted himself as the best PG in the game
Furthermore, I never disputed the fact that Kobe ISN'T a factor when it comes to the Lakers.
But A LOT of Lakers fans, or those chanting for Kobe to be MVP, IN MY OPINION, are basing it off three things:
1. Injuries. Lakers team has injuries, and they're still in contention for the #1 spot.
- This is true, and who knows how great this Lakers team would have been without the injuries. That doesn't take away the fact though that even WITH allthese injuries, AND the injury to Kobe himself, he's having the SAME season he had LAST season. Shot attempts, FG% FT% assists, almost points, you nameit. It's practically last season all over again. (Still solid numbers) My only point was, you're fooling yourself if you're thinking that somehow Kobe has stepped up his game this season in order FOR the Lakers to be in contention for #1 out West. The numbers shoot that logic down.
2. The 'due theory.'
- Yes, it's a SHAME that Kobe has never won the MVP award. But it seems to me that SINCE the Lakers are strong in the West, people are ready to name Kobethe MVP. The thing is, Kobe isn't doing anything different than he has in the past. OF COURSE KOBE IS A FACTOR IN THE LAKERS SUCCESS, but, you have tolook at it objectively, and know that he FINALLY has a supporting cast. He actually has help this year.
3. Kobe factor
- Lakers wouldn't be anywhere without Kobe, true. Same with the Hornets without CP3. Same the Cavs without Lebron. I don't take the 'factor'stuff too serious when dealing with who's the MVP.
Besides these 3 things, WHY should Kobe be MVP OVER CP3?
With CP3, I can point to his numbers. Offensively and defensively.
If you want to do that with Kobe, well then, you're basically saying he should have gotten the MVP last season as well.
With CP3, I can make the arguement that he's working with LESS on a WHOLE.
With CP3, I can make the arguement that in ONE season, he's catapulted himself into ELITE status. (Best PG in the game)
And, yeah. There's team success too.
Players that KG is guarding are shooting 13.1% below the league average at their position. So he's guarding power forwards, and they're shooting 52% league-wide, or whatever it is. Guys that he's guarding are shooting 39% all year. That's just KG, one on one, against his man, when he's on the court.
LeBron's guys are shooting 2% below the league average for their position. Kobe's are 3% below. Chris Paul's are 4% below. And KG is keeping people 13% below. In other words, he's snuffing them out.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-3/The-Numbers--Kevin-Garnett-is--Snuffing-Them-Out-.html
Originally Posted by the PGA tour
Players that KG is guarding are shooting 13.1% below the league average at their position. So he's guarding power forwards, and they're shooting 52% league-wide, or whatever it is. Guys that he's guarding are shooting 39% all year. That's just KG, one on one, against his man, when he's on the court.
LeBron's guys are shooting 2% below the league average for their position. Kobe's are 3% below. Chris Paul's are 4% below. And KG is keeping people 13% below. In other words, he's snuffing them out.
Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Originally Posted by the PGA tour
Players that KG is guarding are shooting 13.1% below the league average at their position. So he's guarding power forwards, and they're shooting 52% league-wide, or whatever it is. Guys that he's guarding are shooting 39% all year. That's just KG, one on one, against his man, when he's on the court.
LeBron's guys are shooting 2% below the league average for their position. Kobe's are 3% below. Chris Paul's are 4% below. And KG is keeping people 13% below. In other words, he's snuffing them out.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-3/The-Numbers--Kevin-Garnett-is--Snuffing-Them-Out-.html
Originally Posted by denni5themenace
im just curious,
can you attribute the emergence of guys like sasha vujajic, farmar, walton, ronny turiaf to kobe making his teammates better?
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i didn't even see noble's post, but that's what i was basically trying to get at.
Seems like every year people just keep finding a reason or an excuse to not name Kobe the MVP.
Originally Posted by NobleKane
Franchise your hate for Kobe is showing....
Kobe doesnt make his teammates better?
He only makes the game easier for them?
Hillarious
Michael Jordan's game wasnt like Chris Paul or Lebron James yet he made his teammates better.
How?
By making the game easier for them.