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As someone who has called this thread an echo chamber in the past, I can understand the tone of your post.

But while I no longer support Trump, I do think many in this thread still disagree with many of my views including those on abortion and welfare reform.

There is also a rift between Bernie supporters and those who support more moderate Democratic candidates.

But the thread, undoubtedly, skews left.

If by left you mean:

- Opposed to people who agree with leaders who support white supremacy
- Opposed to dumb people who refuse to believe in science in the name of "freedom"
- Opposed to believe everyone starts from the same place and poor people are poor because they didnt' work hard

Then I guess this thread does skew left. That's not an "echo chamber", that's just being decent empathetic human beings who communicate in a thread in an online forum.
 
I certainly understand your perspective. The question becomes at what point does the protection of the child’s life become a compelling governmental interest sufficient to justify a restriction on the right to choose?

Based on your post, it seems you don’t believe that is until birth.

I just disagree with that. But I am okay with Roe.
The answer is never, which I don't understand conservatives supporting that, tells me that their conservatism isn't really about limited govt intervention.
 
I certainly understand your perspective. The question becomes at what point does the protection of the child’s life become a compelling governmental interest sufficient to justify a restriction on the right to choose?

Based on your post, it seems you don’t believe that is until birth.

I just disagree with that. But I am okay with Roe.
For late-term abortions and such, I'm ok with ethics committees at medical institutes weighing in. I just think those cases become so complex that any law to try to regulate is too blunt. For almost any other medical procedure, there's general guidelines but the details of the decision come down to the physicians, the patient, and an ethics committee (if needed) and they do it on a case-by-case basis.
 
If by left you mean:

- Opposed to people who agree with leaders who support white supremacy
- Opposed to dumb people who refuse to believe in science in the name of "freedom"
- Opposed to believe everyone starts from the same place and poor people are poor because they didnt' work hard

Then I guess this thread does skew left. That's not an "echo chamber", that's just being decent empathetic human beings who communicate in a thread in an online forum.

To be clear I’m not calling the thread an echo chamber. I said I did so in the past.

I was actually saying there are diverse opinions in this thread. But it certainly skews left as you said.
 
If by left you mean:

- Opposed to people who agree with leaders who support white supremacy
- Opposed to dumb people who refuse to believe in science in the name of "freedom"
- Opposed to believe everyone starts from the same place and poor people are poor because they didnt' work hard

Then I guess this thread does skew left. That's not an "echo chamber", that's just being decent empathetic human beings who communicate in a thread in an online forum.
Reality has a liberal bias. Plenty of folks in here who don't identify as democrat but are competent enough adults to know right from wrong.
 
I certainly understand your perspective. The question becomes at what point does the protection of the child’s life become a compelling governmental interest sufficient to justify a restriction on the right to choose?

Based on your post, it seems you don’t believe that is until birth.

I just disagree with that. But I am okay with Roe.

when republicans start actually protecting the lives of children then we can talk


Even something as simple as this is too much for those deplorables

 
For late-term abortions and such, I'm ok with ethics committees at medical institutes weighing in. I just think those cases become so complex that any law to try to regulate is too blunt. For almost any other medical procedure, there's general guidelines but the details of the decision come down to the physicians, the patient, and an ethics committee (if needed) and they do it on a case-by-case basis.

I don’t think our positions are too far apart.

In fact, when discussed sensibly, it seems most people end up near the same place. That’s why I said I’m okay with Roe. I think it does about as good a job as possible juggling complex and difficult issues.
 


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when republicans start actually protecting the lives of children then we can talk


Even something as simple as this is too much for those deplorables

Yeah don't tell me about the protection of life from the govt when it's a struggle from them to provide the born ones with proper assistance.
 
I’ called you out on this before and I’ll do it again here. “Pro-life” is about the narrow issue of abortion.

Your post is similar to the posts by white supremacists who write “Black Lives Matter” under posts about black people dying from something other than systematic or systemic injustices, like excessive force by police officers.

It is a red herring.
I think that you and I can agree that with the sudden unearthing of white supremacist bottom feeders storming the capitol, that abortion should indeed be legal.

Correct?
 
To be clear I’m not calling the thread an echo chamber. I said I did so in the past.

I was actually saying there are diverse opinions in this thread. But it certainly skews left as you said.
Skew left implies there's some sort of political stance with the statements I presented.

"White supremacy is bad" is not a left/right statement. Or should not be anyway. Somehow, we've politicized science and human decency. But people like you continue to use these labels on issues that should have absolutely no political rhetoric behind them.

Here's a legitimate left/right issue:
* How much should the tax rate be?

I have my thoughts on this, but I absolutely understand small business owners who want less taxes so they can earn a larger profit margin, and therefore vote Republican. That's 100% understandable.

But this notion that people who believe things like black people have not been treated fairly, are still being feeling the ramifications of slavery, Jim Crow and segregation are somehow "lefties" is perpetuated by people like you and fail to recognize it's simply a human issue, not a damn political one.
 
I certainly understand your perspective. The question becomes at what point does the protection of the child’s life become a compelling governmental interest sufficient to justify a restriction on the right to choose?

Based on your post, it seems you don’t believe that is until birth.

I just disagree with that. But I am okay with Roe.

It's really not the Government's business or anyone else's but the Mother and the Doctor.

Government has ZERO authority to involve itself in the reproduction of human beings.

Black folks ought to be the LAST people on Earth to support "Pro Life".

Black people have seen this movie (and all its sequels) before:

Well Grounded Fears
In the 1960s, many African Americans around the country deeply distrusted the motivations behind government funded birth control clinics, fearing it was an attempt to limit black population growth and stunt black political power. Their fears were well grounded in past experiences. In the South, black fertility had a long history of being controlled by whites. Under slavery, African American women were encouraged to have children to increase a plantation owner's wealth. After the Civil War, when African Americans were no longer valuable property, the view among white supremacists abruptly shifted. It became desirable to decrease the African American population in the South. Sterilization abuse of African American women by the white medical establishment reached its height in the 1950s and 1960s. Women who went into the hospital to deliver children often came out unable to have more.

 
I think that you and I can agree that with the sudden unearthing of white supremacist bottom feeders storming the capitol, that abortion should indeed be legal.

Correct?

Abortion is legal.

Not going to get into the “who deserved to get aborted” game, just not my thing.

But the idiotic white supremacists who stormed the Capitol certainly should be prosecuted for their crimes. I am very interested to hear the eventual sentences.
 
Skew left implies there's some sort of political stance with the statements I presented.

"White supremacy is bad" is not a left/right statement. Or should not be anyway. Somehow, we've politicized science and human decency. But people like you continue to use these labels on issues that should have absolutely no political rhetoric behind them.

Here's a legitimate left/right issue:
* How much should the tax rate be?

I have my thoughts on this, but I absolutely understand small business owners who want less taxes so they can earn a larger profit margin, and therefore vote Republican. That's 100% understandable.

But this notion that people who believe things like black people have not been treated fairly, are still being feeling the ramifications of slavery, Jim Crow and segregation are somehow "lefties" is perpetuated by people like you and fail to recognize it's simply a human issue, not a damn political one.

When I say the thread skews left I’m talking from the perspective of political issues and candidates.

The majority of people in this thread supported candidates from the Democratic Party. That’s what I mean by skews left.
 
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Yeah don't tell me about the protection of life from the govt when it's a struggle from them to provide the born ones with proper assistance.

dudes haven’t done shhhhh after the many many MANY school shootings

and this dude wanna talk about protecting the lives of children

would also think health care and higher minimum wage would have a significant impact on the lives of children.. and addressing the dangers of guns
 
dudes haven’t done shhhhh after the many many MANY school shootings

and this dude wanna talk about protecting the lives of children

would also think health care and higher minimum wage would have a significant impact on the lives of children.. and addressing the dangers of guns

careful now, you are getting dangerously close to sounding like the all lives matter crowd
 
dudes haven’t done shhhhh after the many many MANY school shootings

and this dude wanna talk about protecting the lives of children

would also think health care and higher minimum wage would have a significant impact on the lives of children.. and addressing the dangers of guns

And we aint even going to get into the fact that these white doctors are killing black mothers...




Black, American Indian, and Alaska Native (AI/AN) women are two to three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes than white women – and this disparity increases with age, researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report today in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR).

Most pregnancy-related deaths are preventable. Racial and ethnic disparities in pregnancy-related deaths have persisted over time.

Pregnancy-related deaths per 100,000 live births (the pregnancy-related mortality ratio or PRMR) for black and AI/AN women older than 30 was four to five times as high as it was for white women. Even in states with the lowest PRMRs and among women with higher levels of education, significant differences persist. These findings suggest that the disparity observed in pregnancy-related death for black and AI/AN women is a complex national problem.

“These disparities are devastating for families and communities and we must work to eliminate them,” said Emily Petersen, M.D., medical officer at CDC’s Division of Reproductive Health and lead author of the report. “There is an urgent need to identify and evaluate the complex factors contributing to these disparities and to design interventions that will reduce preventable pregnancy-related deaths.”

 
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