***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[dwalk31]

If you cannot carry a child, why should your opinion matter in regard to the rights of the unborn?

If I can’t drive, should I not have an opinion on seatbelts?

This is a pretty weak argument because laws, in the US, often deal with issues that don’t directly impact everyone.

That said, many men become fathers and have an interest in the life of their children.

 

[dwalk31]

You sound like the type of person dumb people would think is smart. Maybe you should run for President, you might win .Serious

Thanks

 

[IATT]

This man hasn’t addressed a single other issue that significantly affects the life of a child

 

[junglejim]

He’s using it to mock “pro-lifers” and to highlight alleged hypocrisy.

It’s the exact same nonsensical red herring that the white supremacists use.

I guess you would know what typical red herring white supremacists use since you supported them and voted for them twice so I guess I’ll defer to your judgement on white supremacy since you are this threads expert in the field

 

[Mark Antony]

They want a strongman/authoritarian daddy to tell them what to do, tell them how special they are and how unfair they're being treated while blaming all their problems in life on the evil others. Self-accountability be damned.

Basically they want a cult leader

I don't get the fanfare, it's so weird. You're voting for a politician to get a job done, can they do it or not? Could anyone honestly, objectively say Donald Trump was a good choice for top politician?

 

[KHUFU]

If I can’t drive, should I not have an opinion on seatbelts?

This is a pretty weak argument because laws, in the US, often deal with issues that don’t directly impact everyone.

That said, many men become fathers and have an interest in the life of their children.

My man, and you know that I mean you no harm, but did you just equate seatbelts/safety with carrying and then giving birth to a child?

As a Man, I do not have a right to tell any woman what she should, or should not do, with her own body. If she wishes to carry and then risk her life to give birth to a child that may be my descendant? Then I will be honored, and privileged.

A Man's choice in the matter began before he LAID with the woman. That is where your opinion lies, and then ends.

 

[boris]

He’s using it to mock “pro-lifers” and to highlight alleged hypocrisy.

It’s the exact same nonsensical red herring that the white supremacists use.

Interesting. Did he tell you that he intended to mock pro-lifers? Does intent just not matter in this scenario?

If I remember correctly, you can't determine that Donald Trump is a racist unless he explicitly tells you he is a racist. However, you're very comfortable making assumptions about people's intentions on NT.

 

[rolaholic]

I don't get the fanfare, it's so weird. You're voting for a politician to get a job done, can they do it or not? Could anyone honestly, objectively say Donald Trump was a good choice for top politician?

He's been elevated into a conduit for all their insecurities and WS leanings so his competence, or lackthereof, has been rendered basically irrelevant for them it feels like.

The wildest part is that I'm almost certain that the majority of those folks would've considered him to be part of the 'coastal lib elite' that they despise a decade ago . Yet with some basic rebranding, co-opting of GOP talking points mixed with far right populist tinted grievence politics and he's become deity status to the same folks

Shouldn't be surprised though when the last person to ascend to that level for them was a former Hollywood libbie in Reagan . They've got a particular deep rooted affinity for chest thumping and try hard macho posturing snake oil salesmen

 

[dwalk31]

My man, and you know that I mean you no harm, but did you just equate seatbelts/safety with carrying and then giving birth to a child?

As a Man, I do not have a right to tell any woman what she should, or should not do, with her own body. If she wishes to carry and then risk her life to give birth to a child that may be my descendant? Then I will be honored, and privileged.

A Man's choice in the matter began before he LAID with the woman. That is where your opinion lies, and then ends.

No, I didn’t equate them. I highlighted the issue with your premise that you don’t have a right to speak on issues that don’t directly impact you.

The government, as you know, tells men and women what they can legally do with their own bodies all of the time. Especially when those decisions impact others. I’m not saying that I should be able to tell anyone anything. I’m saying the law should.

For instance: speeding, doing certain drugs, prostitution, murder, using seatbelts, rape, etc are all restrictions on what people can do with their bodies.

The argument for restrictions on abortions is at what point does the abortion become more like murder and less like the removal of a parasite.

So murder/feticide is the comparison. Not seatbelts.

As you know, all murder isn’t unjustified. There’s self-defense, heat of the moment, etc.

Same concept with abortion: there’s medical concerns, rape victims, incest, etc.

I don’t think abortion should be illegal generally. But I do think there is a certain point where considerations should be made as it relates to the life of the child. You and I may disagree on that point.

 

[dwalk31]

Interesting. Did he tell you that he intended to mock pro-lifers? Does intent just not matter in this scenario?

If I remember correctly, you can't determine that Donald Trump is a racist unless he explicitly tells you he is a racist. However, you're very comfortable making assumptions about people's intentions on NT.

He stated that he intended to point out hypocrisy.

 

[junglejim]

No, I didn’t equate them. I highlighted the issue with your premise that you don’t have a right to speak on issues that don’t directly impact you.

The government, as you know, tells men and women what they can legally do with their own bodies all of the time. Especially when those decisions impact others. I’m not saying that I should be able to tell anyone anything. I’m saying the law should.

For instance: speeding, doing certain drugs, prostitution, murder, using seatbelts, rape, etc are all restrictions on what people can do with their bodies.

The argument for restrictions on abortions is at what point does the abortion become more like murder and less like the removal of a parasite.

So murder/feticide is the comparison. Not seatbelts.

As you know, all murder isn’t unjustified. There’s self-defense, heat of the moment, etc.

Same concept with abortion: there’s medical concerns, rape victims, incest, etc.

I don’t think abortion should be illegal generally. But I do think there is a certain point where considerations should be made as it relates to the life of the child. You and I may disagree on that point.

This is a very pro-birth post that does nothing to address issues related to the child post birth.

But you have in many instances advocated for term limits for these types of kids if their parents have been on welfare too long

 

[Belgium]

But he has wrongly stated that the issue of pro-life only applies to abortion. It’s been applied to the death penalty and euthanasia for as long as I can remember as well

Fun fact: Belgium is one of the two only countries with a law allowing child euthanasia. Its passing really wasn't all that controversial, most of the outrage was in foreign media.

 

[IATT]

 

[boris]

He stated that he intended to point out hypocrisy.

So, no, he didn't state that he intended to mock pro-lifers. Did you ask him if he was mocking you?

 

[wayniac211]

 

[junglejim]

He stated that he intended to point out hypocrisy.

No I didnt

 

[KHUFU]

No, I didn’t equate them. I highlighted the issue with your premise that you don’t have a right to speak on issues that don’t directly impact you.

The government, as you know, tells men and women what they can legally do with their own bodies all of the time. Especially when those decisions impact others. I’m not saying that I should be able to tell anyone anything. I’m saying the law should.

For instance: speeding, doing certain drugs, prostitution, murder, using seatbelts, rape, etc are all restrictions on what people can do with their bodies.

The argument for restrictions on abortions is at what point does the abortion become more like murder and less like the removal of a parasite.

So murder/feticide is the comparison. Not seatbelts.

As you know, all murder isn’t unjustified. There’s self-defense, heat of the moment, etc.

Same concept with abortion: there’s medical concerns, rape victims, incest, etc.

I don’t think abortion should be illegal generally. But I do think there is a certain point where considerations should be made as it relates to the life of the child. You and I may disagree on that point.

Yes, we do disagree because the government does not consider women to be capable of managing their own best interests. If the government did respect the rights of women, then they'd realize that they have no legal position in the matter, especially since the government is being run by MEN, those who cannot get pregnant, carry, and then giving birth to a child.

The government still sees, and then treats women as property.

If Men were taught to understand the decision to control yourself is how all of this confusion could be handled, then we would not be having this discussion.

However, that is what Patriarchy teaches, pass the blame.

Considering that this is indeed a christian influenced nation, the laws that surround women and their rights, will always be skewed toward men being more capable and more competent decision makers.

 

[Upptempo]

If you need clarification on how dumb Americans are and how brainwashed some of them are by politicians, just look at the minimum wage topic. Anytime the topic of a federal minimum wage comes up, people who make a few dollars over minimum wage are vehemently opposed to the idea. $15???!!! Hell no!!! The cost of my latte is gonna go up at Dunkin Donuts!!! A Big Mac is gonna be $20!!! Americans have no concept of basic economics and just regurgitate the nonsense they read on Twitter

 

[junglejim]

If you need clarification on how dumb Americans are and how brainwashed some of them are by politicians, just look at the minimum wage topic. Anytime the topic of a federal minimum wage comes up, people who make a few dollars over minimum wage are vehemently opposed to the idea. $15???!!! Hell no!!! The cost of my latte is gonna go up at Dunkin Donuts!!! A Big Mac is gonna be $20!!! Americans have no concept of basic economics and just regurgitate the nonsense they read on Twitter

Or “small businesses will die” like you can’t just reduce the tax rate for small businesses to offset the cost like we have done with the tax code for just about every single year in its existence up until 2017.

 

[kdawg]

It's really not the Government's business or anyone else's but the Mother and the Doctor.

Government has ZERO authority to involve itself in the reproduction of human beings.

Black folks ought to be the LAST people on Earth to support "Pro Life".

Black people have seen this movie (and all its sequels) before:

Well Grounded Fears
In the 1960s, many African Americans around the country deeply distrusted the motivations behind government funded birth control clinics, fearing it was an attempt to limit black population growth and stunt black political power. Their fears were well grounded in past experiences. In the South, black fertility had a long history of being controlled by whites. Under slavery, African American women were encouraged to have children to increase a plantation owner's wealth. After the Civil War, when African Americans were no longer valuable property, the view among white supremacists abruptly shifted. It became desirable to decrease the African American population in the South. Sterilization abuse of African American women by the white medical establishment reached its height in the 1950s and 1960s. Women who went into the hospital to deliver children often came out unable to have more.

Black Genocide | American Experience | PBS

Sterilization abuse of African American women by the white medical establishment reached its height in the 1950s and 1960s.

www.pbs.org

That’s a really interesting component of the abortion issue in the US - so you’ve got historical mistrust and also right wingers trying to restrict access. Classic double whammy.

 

[Belgium]

Somehow this LAWYER decided to come up with this big brain plan

 

[kdawg]

Let's just be blunt. "Pro-life" is anti-woman and anti-human rights. It's dressed up with misleading language and dog whistles just like people say slavery was somehow a net good for blacks because it gave them "jobs", or the confederate flag is about "heritage", or going into Iraq was about "democracy", or voting for trump was about "economic anxiety", or that guy the police killed had a history of "drug use", so on and so forth.

If you really care about minimizing abortion, the only humane answer is expanding birth control, education, and access.

And I'm speaking from the perspective of a public health issue and politics. It may be different if you want to judge your pregnant sister or the parishioner at your church. Go crazy there.

It is an absolute travesty that a lot of these issues are caused either by lack of access to healthcare or intentional teaching of nonsense instead of actually teaching young people scientific facts.

And guess who has been responsible for that over the last few decades?

 

[dwalk31]

So, no, he didn't state that he intended to mock pro-lifers. Did you ask him if he was mocking you?

His avy is, quite literally, a picture of my legs.

But fair enough.

He did state that he was attempting to highlight supposed hypocrisy which is the exact energy that the white supremacists use with Black Lives Matter comments under posts about unrelated issues.

But I will retract the intent to mock comment. You’re absolutely right, I don’t know what his intent was.

 

[junglejim]

His avy is, quite literally, a picture of my legs.

But fair enough.

He did state that he was attempting to highlight supposed hypocrisy which is the exact energy that the white supremacists use with Black Lives Matter comments under posts about unrelated issues.

But I will retract the intent to mock comment. You’re absolutely right, I don’t know what his intent was.

I didn’t state any of this as my intent because I didn’t state my intent. Do words only matter when it comes to interpreting your posts or are all words ignored when as pick and choose like your support for Trump?

Do I think there is hypocrisy in your pro-birth view? Yes, because in all of this you havent spoken a single word about the cause of the majority of child abortions which is the cost of having and raising a child in this country which would require government assistance which you have openly advocated against

 

[Belgium]

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