***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

I think American gun laws are beyond insane, but

being the pro gun democratic governor of Texas won't change gun laws.
but NOT being governor of Texas won't change gun laws or ANY laws.


like i disagree with John Bel Edwards pro life politics,
but it seems pretty clear to me Louisiana's are still better off with him as governor. than insert republican.

-Now people need to suspend ignore the Texas state legislature and courts to be upset at Beto?

A Democratic governor is at best gonna reverse some executive orders and serve as a veto point for more bad laws being signed.

Even if a Dem won, we would see the same thing we saw in Wisconsin and NC, wherein the lame-duck session the GOP systematically strips the governor of power. Then the Dems hope the courts will restore some of them. But unlike in those states, Texas courts are fully reactionary.

-Yes, IMO, Beto is making a mistake. Yes Texas would be better off with a Democratic Governor.

But I feel you really inflate the magnitude of the real-world fallout to people like Beto making these decisions to try to make them on par with the actions taken by the people actively and passively doing more harm to the Dems political fortunes

 

[gry60]

RustyShackleford

I think you underestimate the issue of gun control and the negative impact it has on the appeal Democrats must generate to maintain control of the house/senate, as well as to retake some of those governor's mansions.

Left-leaning voters bought guns in record numbers in the lead up to the 2020 election, and that is a direct response to the fact that the GOP has been open about using violence to accomplish their political objectives.

This is the worst moment to run on major gun control legislation such as mandatory buybacks. And like I said before, just because you don't run on it doesn't mean that you can't work behind the scenes with reasonable actors to implement better regulations on gun ownership.

Finally, I think gun control is the policy issue that is the easiest to compromise on for Democrats, and if doing so denies the GOP access to voters whose only issue is guns, they should go for it.

 

[IATT]

dwalk31

 

[RustyShackleford]

RustyShackleford

I think you underestimate the issue of gun control and the negative impact it has on the appeal Democrats must generate to maintain control of the house/senate, as well as to retake some of those governor's mansions.

Left-leaning voters bought guns in record numbers in the lead up to the 2020 election, and that is a direct response to the fact that the GOP has been open about using violence to accomplish their political objectives.

This is the worst moment to run on major gun control legislation such as mandatory buybacks. And like I said before, just because you don't run on it doesn't mean that you can't work behind the scenes with reasonable actors to implement better regulations on gun ownership.

Finally, I think gun control is the policy issue that is the easiest to compromise on for Democrats, and if doing so denies the GOP access to voters whose only issue is guns, they should go for it.

I don't think I am underestimating anything. I am fully aware of the politics around gun control

I just don't think it is a reach to call Beto unserious or not making the moral choice just because of this decision given everything else he does

He announced his candidacy, that is it. There is a primary, Democratic voters have a chance to pass judgment on the strategy. It is like one second we trust Dem primary voters in the South to make the prudent decisions, the next second we don't.

Also, the race is not a swing race, it is gonna be run in a political environment that even a unicorn perfect candidate couldn't win.

So to frame it like Beto doing this is (given that he is only doing it because his town got shot up and people he knew got affected) has some dire consequences to me is dumb to me. What Beto is doing is not wise, but not as serious as Osh makes it out to be.

If the electoral circumstances were different I would have a stronger reaction. But Osh is using this to push back on fair criticisms he has taken in here.

I'm just considering the full context of what Beto is doing

If you tell me the Democrats should not run on a strong gun control message in 2022 against the GOP, I would say that's true, I agree. But that is not what is happening right now.

 

[had pants]

 

[dinyc3st]

 

[cragmatic]

Bruh…

How are we even locked down? Sporting events and concerts are happening. A bunch of us got tickets for Spiderman yesterday. Life is pretty much going on as normal, what is this “lock down” she speaks of …

 

[RustyShackleford]

RustyShackleford

I think you underestimate the issue of gun control and the negative impact it has on the appeal Democrats must generate to maintain control of the house/senate, as well as to retake some of those governor's mansions.

Left-leaning voters bought guns in record numbers in the lead up to the 2020 election, and that is a direct response to the fact that the GOP has been open about using violence to accomplish their political objectives.

This is the worst moment to run on major gun control legislation such as mandatory buybacks. And like I said before, just because you don't run on it doesn't mean that you can't work behind the scenes with reasonable actors to implement better regulations on gun ownership.

Finally, I think gun control is the policy issue that is the easiest to compromise on for Democrats, and if doing so denies the GOP access to voters whose only issue is guns, they should go for it.

This is not gonna happen

With all due respect, this seems like some Manchin level wishful thinking (and I am using Manchin because his first big appeal to this framework was around guns after Sandy Hook)

Do you really want me to believe that a Democrat in a red state can cut deals behind the scenes to improve gun ownership? In 2021?

This just seems to ignore the state of right-wing politics right now

 

[dinyc3st]

How are we even locked down? Sporting events and concerts are happening. A bunch of us got tickets for Spiderman yesterday. Life is pretty much going on as normal, what is this “lock down” she speaks of …

We all have COVID in our bones apparently. We’re Mutants

 

[RustyShackleford]

This is the sort of nastiness that is about to get normalized in the coming years...

 

[dinyc3st]

 

[RustyShackleford]

The way they are talking they are trying to get Omar assassinated

 

[RustyShackleford]

Get your glutathione IVs, and coffee ground colonic bags ready brahs. ****'s bout to go down in PA...


I love my girl's description of dude. "He is just like Dr. Sebi, but can do heart surgery"

 

[gry60]

This is not gonna happen

With all due respect, this seems like some Manchin level wishful thinking

Do you really want me to believe that a Democrat in a red state can cut deals behind the scenes to improve gun ownership? In 2021?

This just seems like willfully ignoring the state of right-wing politics right now

I'm not talking about breaking bread with the likes of the NRA. They're far too gone.

However, there are left-leaning and minority gun groups that exist and getting them involved could reduce the effect of the right-wing messaging on Democrats and guns.

It's among the members of those orgs that the party is more likely to find allies IMO. Now if you tell me reaching out to those groups won't work, I'll ask if that has been tried before.

Now, speaking of Beto, I will give him a pass on his position because gun ownership is not that important to me and it's an overall negative in society. Also, it's a statewide race, he knows TX better than most of us, and there maybe a silent majority down there that places a higher priority on a warm home and steady electric bills than on gun ownership, so we'll see.

 

[Nike Jordan]

"Both sides are the same"

 

[wavycrocket]

This chick is also one of the worst.



Get your baby moms RustyShackleford

 

[gry60]

The way they are talking they are trying to get Omar assassinated

And some will say that speech can't be violent.

 

[Comparison Ford]

Get your glutathione IVs, and coffee ground colonic bags ready brahs. ****'s bout to go down in PA...


I love my girl's description of dude. "He is just like Dr. Sebi, but can do heart surgery"

My brother, an interventional cardiologist, went on a short rant at the dinner table on Thanksgiving about how he likes Dr. Oz and thinks "he's right, but people just don't wanna hear it."

My brother is also the same person that thinks the #MeToo movement is "all gossip and hearsay" and tries to send me Sam Hyde videos thinking I will enjoy them.

He then went on to tell me about the diet he's created for himself that is "the correct heart-healthy diet," but he won't recommend it to any of his patients.

This Thanksgiving was the moment when I made the commitment to completely write off anything my brother says moving forward.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This chick is also one of the worst.



Get your baby moms RustyShackleford

Not a fan of hers, but to be fair, Joy Gray wasn't the one saying dumb **** in this interview

And she did push back on ole girl's talking points

 

[dacomeup]

And in 2021…they banned the book about her in some states/districts….because of “ CRT”

She spoke at my college 10ish years ago. She’s about the same age of my father. These people are despicable.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm not talking about breaking bread with the likes of the NRA. They're far too gone.

However, there are left-leaning and minority gun groups that exist and getting them involved could reduce the effect of the right-wing messaging on Democrats and guns.

It's among the members of those orgs that the party is more likely to find allies IMO. Now if you tell me reaching out to those groups won't work, I'll ask if that has been tried before.

Now, speaking of Beto, I will give him a pass on his position because gun ownership is not that important to me and it's an overall negative in society. Also, it's a statewide race, he knows TX better than most of us, and there maybe a silent majority down there that places a higher priority on a warm home and steady electric bills than on gun ownership, so we'll see.

Honestly, with Beto, the way I read it is that he is a dude that had a generic position on guns. Then his town got shot up, his friends got affected, and he can't move past that

The first time they tried to interview him after it happened he broke down crying and couldn't get words out. The first time he went on TV he started crying again

So you have a dude whose heart is in the right place, who has never been able to be controlled by the party establishment, and a life event shifted his politics in a way he can't easily come back from.

So it is less about me thinking that Beto knows Texas more than most, and him just thinking that dude is a human being having a human reaction to a horrible event.

And sometimes in politics that happens.

 

[RustyShackleford]

My brother, an interventional cardiologist, went on a short rant at the dinner table on Thanksgiving about how he likes Dr. Oz and thinks "he's right, but people just don't wanna hear it."

My brother is also the same person that thinks the #MeToo movement is "all gossip and hearsay" and tries to send me Sam Hyde videos thinking I will enjoy them.

He then went on to tell me about the diet he's created for himself that is "the correct heart-healthy diet," but he won't recommend it to any of his patients.

This Thanksgiving was the moment when I made the commitment to completely write off anything my brother says moving forward.

Not my brother but my cousin is 6 months older than me and moved to the states a year after me

He lived in a prominently black neighborhood in Brooklyn.

He turned out to be a Trump-loving reactionary that got nothing but nonsense to say on every topic known to man. Dude makes Ninja look progressive

Strangely enough, his rightward turn happened in college.

Sometimes I just sit back in amazement at how some people can go off the rails

 

[RustyShackleford]

And yes, my cousin's marks "other" on census forms and fills in "Mixed West Indian"

And yes, he does this because he says his ancestors were also French colonizers and Carib and Arawak indigenous people (I know sounds familiar )

Mans won't even let his kids see Black Panther because it in his word "misrepresents" Africa

Mans darker than Daniel Kaluuya saying this nonsense

His nickname in St. Lucia is literally "black".

Last time we had a blow-up (which was a few days ago) I told him he is so buttery that if we were in times of slavery if Harriet Tubman should up to the plantation he would be alerting the slavers like...

 

[Nike Jordan]

Chris Rock said it best...

 

[Fozz]

We all have COVID in our bones apparently. We’re Mutants