***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[RustyShackleford]

Mehdi Hassan's beef will Maher date's back to another issue though

In the run-up to the 2016 election, Maher was adamant that the left being soft of Islamic Extremism was the thing that would cost them the election. He even complained that Obama and Hillary using the suggested US Intelligence rhetoric on ISIS was alienating people and they would lose and a winnable election because of this

He then brought on a ton of guesses that took shots at Hassan. All the while complaining about Hassan taking shots at him and wanting to police his speech. All while Maher tried to police other liberals' speech.

Maher then repackaged this into complaints of identity politics. Again, Trump and his supporters are so loony, it was kinda lost that Maher was proven to be wrong. Maher again was allowed to repackage himself.

Hassan has and is correctly pointing out that Bill Maher has been at the forefront of airing centrist grievances with progressive over and over again. And he always he rolls out this Ronald Reagan "I didn't change they change" talking point every single time

So again, Bill Maher is not a good-faith actor. I have listened to Hassan in interviews, he is not as rigid as his critics make him out to be. And in all, he engages with the subject more honestly than Bill Maher

 

[IATT]

I just wanna know what I said that got this dude talking about cultural changes

 

[IATT]

 

[wavycrocket]

osh kosh bosh Bill Maher was whining about the same **** in the 90s & early 00s . All the while, being a racist on HBO too. ***** was talking about being “anti-pc”…all while being one of the biggest names and constantly getting leveled up for being a mediocre white dude



Cube called him out on it. Even in real time, this looked funny in the light. It’s who he is. He in his mind always fancied himself as some cool, liberal, white dude…who was fearless and not constrained by societal

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Bill Maher spent the 90s hosting another show where he ranted about 90s liberals being too sensitive and too far left, to hostile to free speech, and them being so out of touch was hurting the Democratic Party. Bush and Iraq War allowed him to repackage himself.

He complaints about wokeness now don't sound too far off about his Anti-PC stuff from the 90s

His 90s show was literally called Politically Incorrect

Bill Maher is definitely not the most good-faith actor on this subject

I don't think his complaints are different,
it's just the political valence of those anti-pc arguments of the 90s is different than it is today.


being anti-woke today is generally seen today as a uniformly anti left position.

the anti-pc 90's and 00's it was more mixed.

you could be an anti-PC person and be;
pro gay marriage, anti violent video game censorships, and anti hip hop obscenity lawsuits ect

and have lots of support in liberal cultural spaces.


and over time this has changed, where a Bill Maher has seen that constituency on the left change.

and so I can understand how a person could have a reactionary response to that.

I don't know whats in Mahers head, so maybe you're right.
but I like I said Im closer to maher than mehdi hassan, so its easier for my to empathize.

 

[wavycrocket]

This dude always been a crying, whining and ridiculously privileged piece of ****

 

[osh kosh bosh]

osh kosh bosh Bill Maher was whining about the same **** in the 90s & early 00s . All the while, being a racist on HBO too. ***** was talking about being “anti-pc”…all while being one of the biggest names and constantly getting leveled up for being a mediocre white dude



Cube called him out on it. Even in real time, this looked funny in the light. It’s who he is. He in his mind always fancied himself as some cool, liberal, white dude…who was fearless and not constrained by societal

I didn't say "Bill Maher has changed"

my point was literally the opposite. Bill Maher hasn't changed,
he's the same guy and he watched the culture change around him in ways he found objectionable,

thus leading him to become more reactionary.

 

[IATT]

 

[wavycrocket]

I don't think his complaints are different,
it's just the political valence of those anti-pc arguments of the 90s is different than it is today.


being anti-woke today is generally seen today as a uniformly anti left position.

the anti-pc 90's and 00's it was more mixed.

you could be an anti-PC person and be;
pro gay marriage, anti violent video game censorships, and anti hip hop obscenity lawsuits ect

and have lots of support in liberal cultural spaces.


and over time this has changed, where a Bill Maher has seen that constituency on the left change.

and so I can saying I can understand how a person could have a reactionary response to that.

I don't know whats in Mahers head, so maybe you're right.
but I like I said Im clsoer to maher than mehdi hassan, so its easier for my to empathize.

In the 90s and 00s….people had to put up with bs, because they didn’t have an outlet to express how they truly felt.

You talk crazy about certain segments of society today, and they will for real tell you how they really feel. No cut cards.

That’s a lot of what it is. It’s like telling a racist in the 70s…”don’t call me BOY” anymore.

They are offended that they can’t treat you any type of way, and expect you to be happy go lucky and accept the status quo. That’s a lot of what this is,

 

[osh kosh bosh]

In the 90s and 00s….people had to put up with bs, because they didn’t have an outlet to express how they truly felt.

You talk crazy about certain segments of society today, and they will for real tell you how they really feel. No cut cards.

That’s a lot of what it is. It’s like telling a racist in the 70s…”don’t call me BOY” anymore.

They are offended that they can’t treat you any type of way, and expect you to be happy go lucky and accept the status quo. That’s a lot of what this is,

again, you think the changes are good and bill maher is wrong.
that's cool,

I agree with Bill on some stuff, and on other things he takes it too far.

like I said minds can differ on the subject.


my only complaint is people acting like things haven't changed,
or people are just crazy and just making it up.
which is the way I read that second Mehdi Hassan tweet.

 

[IATT]

 

[dmbrhs]

Puck literally hocked a loogie into a black guy's face on the Challenge, basically because the guy was black. Feel like he still holds the crown.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I don't think his complaints are different,
it's just the political valence of those anti-pc arguments of the 90s is different than it is today.


being anti-woke today is generally seen today as a uniformly anti left position.

the anti-pc 90's and 00's it was more mixed.

you could be an anti-PC person and be;
pro gay marriage, anti violent video game censorships, and anti hip hop obscenity lawsuits ect

and have lots of support in liberal cultural spaces.


and over time this has changed, where a Bill Maher has seen that constituency on the left change.

and so I can saying I can understand how a person could have a reactionary response to that.

I don't know whats in Mahers head, so maybe you're right.
but I like I said Im clsoer to maher than mehdi hassan, so its easier for my to empathize.

I have listened to Maher for a while

His positions on a bunch of things have changed though

One of his major social grievances in the 90s was white people not being able to use the n-word. Years later he apologized for using it.

He was way more sexist and skeptical of women's claims on sexual harassment

He basically was on the wrong side of a lot of left-wing cultural disagreements in the 90s. Years later claimed what he was for stuff he was previously against. This is not abnormal, the 90s was a really conservative time and a lot of conservative liberals shifted on a bunch of social issues.

But like before, he always looks left and claims this new thing is the thing that is unreasonable. The dude was always a self-centered privileged a-hole that lacked empathy to the people left of him. But he has gotten so damn reactionary these days that he is becoming a parody of himself

I mean he is in front of Ben Shiprio complaining about destructive cultural warring. The lack of self-awareness is next level

 

[Nike Jordan]

The Real World was a mistake.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This stuff I find annoying.

Disagree with Maher, cool but the undercurrent of these type of post,

is that learning and growing inevitably leads you to adopt the positions of the cultural left.

again we can all measure these things differently and come to our own conclusions.
but I promise you it's possible to in good faith, to learn and grow and still just simply disagree.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I have listened to Maher for a while

His positions on a bunch of things have changed though

One of his major social grievances in the 90s was white people not being able to use the n-word. Years later he apologized for using it.

He was way more sexist and skeptical of women's claims on sexual harassment

He basically was on the wrong side of a lot of left-wing cultural disagreements in the 90s. Years later claimed what he was for stuff he was previously against. This is not abnormal, the 90s was a really conservative time and a lot of conservative liberals shifted on a bunch of social issues.

But like before, he always looks left and claims this new thing is the thing that is unreasonable. The dude was always a self-centered privileged a-hole that lacked empathy to the people left of him. But he has gotten so damn reactionary these days that he is becoming a parody of himself

I mean he is in front of Ben Shiprio complaining about destructive cultural warring. The lack of self-awareness is next level

im not maher watcher or listener really, so you would know better than I.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I always judges Maher on aggregate

A dude with a mix of great takes, and trash takes.

Even now I think he more on point when he brings up dangerous the right is, and how much Dems doing nothing hurt them.

But dude has become a reactionary curmudgeon in his old age.

When Teanna said he paid thousands so he could make love to an escort, I should have known mans was losing it.

 

[dmbrhs]

The Real World was a mistake.

Hot take.

 

[IATT]

This stuff I find annoying.

you ready to tell me what I said got you talking about “cultural changes”?

 

[biggie62]

I would watch hill Maher in the past on HBO because he at least had interesting guests. However that went downhill during the pandemic and even when they got back in the studio so I stopped. He’s definitely a type of person you can’t consume fully. He has some really bad takes. The only take I really agree with him is his take on comedians. Comedians are there to make you feel uncomfortable by making fun of topics which maybe sensitive and stereotypical. The way they are canceled for dumb stuff at times is a step too far. I’m not defending if they say some blatantly racist **** but at the same time by todays standards we probably wouldn’t allow Chris rocks’s bigger and blacker special because people would feel it’s demeaning to some. But that’s how comedy should be to me at least.

 

[IATT]

I would watch hill Maher in the past on HBO because he at least had interesting guests. However that went downhill during the pandemic and even when they got back in the studio so I stopped. He’s definitely a type of person you can’t consume fully. He has some really bad takes. The only take I really agree with him is his take on comedians. Comedians are there to make you feel uncomfortable by making fun of topics which maybe sensitive and stereotypical. The way they are canceled for dumb stuff at times is a step too far. I’m not defending if they say some blatantly racist **** but at the same time by todays standards we probably wouldn’t allow Chris rocks’s bigger and blacker special because people would feel it’s demeaning to some. But that’s how comedy should be to me at least.

what comedian has actually unjustly gotten canceled?

my issues with Chris rock is sitting there with his friends for this shh, I’ll never look at dude the same

 

[biggie62]

what comedian has actually unjustly gotten canceled?

my issues with Chris rock is sitting there with his friends for this shh, I’ll never look at dude the same

They have been canceled in college tours which were a huge revenue stream for many comedians. Some colleges don’t even bother booking them. But that’s an issue with colleges too.

 

[IATT]

They have been canceled in college tours which were a huge revenue stream for many comedians. Some colleges don’t even bother booking them. But that’s an issue with colleges too.

who is they?

and what did they do?

who is this great example of the person who was unjustly canceled?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I just wanna know what I said that got this dude talking about cultural changes

Ive said this countless time, but the short-ish version;

An initially positive push for greater sensitivity around speech, identity and harm
has mutated into an absurd self reinforcing panopticon of self censorship, elite status signaling,
and disingenuous pile ons.

This regime has been weaponized by the worst people in our socitey,

as a way to signal a class status, and avoid the responsibility of making material changes.
it makes it really difficult to create good art, to think critically or make rational political calculations

and many people of good faith who sincerely want to be committed to social justice.
are unwittingly being manipulated into a never ending culture war, that accomplishes very little

is it the worst thing in the world? no
have there been some good things to come out of this, yah.
are republicans are worse in every way? definitely


I get that no one agrees with me on this and that's fine.
but I think we can all agree that things have changed,

and we can all make our own judgements on how good or bad we think the change is.

 

[tomdiginson]

When Teanna said he paid thousands so he could make love to an escort, I should have known mans was losing it.

Which escort is this?