***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[fluid hips]

Dude from exit polling.

Younger college-educated white people have been trending toward the Democratic Party.

Exit polls show both familiar and new voting blocs sealed Biden’s win | Brookings

While whites continue to favor the Republican candidate—as they have in every presidential election since 1968—it is notable that this margin has been reduced from 20% to 15% nationally.

www.brookings.edu

It is no secret that education polarization, especially among white people has been happening for the last few cycles. Tons of people have said the same thing. The person I was responding to knew the point I was making. Mixed with a point about which groups are more likely to migrate within the Democratic coalition.

Y'all stay pulling out this ****ing tired argument like I am talking about what in the hearts and minds of white people, and advocating people to trust them no matter waht. I am not.

I am talking about observable reality and observable trends, and y'all just want to strawman because that is seemingly easier to address my actual point in its actual context

Sorry but that is meaningless without showing the incomes of the people being polled. A white person with an art degree working at starbucks is not the same as a white person with an MBA from an ivy league school. They both have different motives when voting.

 

[RustyShackleford]

People seemed to be confused about the ideological composition of the democratic party.

Richer college educated democrats are more progressive than the black working class base of the part.

It's why Bernie lost to Hilary
Why Biden won the 2020 primary.

In (overly) simple terms.

It's a black working class more moderate base,
with an white progressive doner class.

Is this in reference to my post?

All I said was younger college-educated people are trending toward the Democratic party, and this group is one of the few demographic is also a demographic that tends to migrate the most compared to other Democrats. I think these are pretty innocuous points

I dunno how this turned into a discussion about the trustworthiness or political ideology of the young college-educated white people

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Sorry but that is meaningless without showing the incomes of the people being polled. A white person with an art degree working at starbucks is not the same as a white person with an MBA from an ivy league school. They both have different motives when voting.

I can promise you both those people are almost certainly going to be more progressive than any non college educated democrat.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Is this in reference to my post?

All I said was younger college-educated people are trending toward the Democratic party, and this group is one of the few demographic is also a demographic that tends to migrate the most compared to other Democrats. I think these are pretty innocuous points

I dunno how this turned into a discussion about the trustworthiness or political ideology of the young college-educated white people

Nah I'm talking to fluid hips

I'm just observing how often I encounter liberals who don't understand education polarization

 

[fluid hips]

People seemed to be confused about the ideological composition of the democratic party.

Richer college educated democrats are more progressive than the black working class base of the part.

It's why Bernie lost to Hilary
Why Biden won the 2020 primary.

In (overly) simple terms.

It's a black working class more moderate base,
with an white progressive doner class.

That is a misconception that people love to spew. They aren't.

These are the same NIMBY people that throw a fit when new affordable housing is proposed in their neighborhoods because it will bring property values down.

Just like all these fake religious people. They don't practice what they preach if it doesn't benefit them.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Sorry but that is meaningless without showing the incomes of the people being polled. A white person with an art degree working at starbucks is not the same as a white person with an MBA from an ivy league school. They both have different motives when voting.

Famb, I am not talking about what is in the hearts and minds of white people

Just observing voting trends

I can't read people's minds

 

[osh kosh bosh]

That is a misconception that people love to spew. They aren't.

These are the same NIMBY people that throw a fit when new affordable housing is proposed in their neighborhoods because it will bring property values down.

Just like all these fake religious people. They don't practice what they preach if it doesn't benefit them.

NIMBYism unfortunately is a scourge that afflicts every voting demographic.

People are self interested and selfish.

It's more hypocritical coming from highly ideological but it's not unique.


I can assure you education is the big dividing line, rich college educated Democrats are to the left of the working class base.on most issues.

Especially younger ones.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Me and Osh in the Chapelle trends...

Me and Osh today in this thread...

 

[RustyShackleford]

Y'all have fun though, I am done for the day

 

[fluid hips]

College educated is such a blanket term that means nothing without going into specifics.

College degrees are given out like candy. Did they major in underwater basket weaving or do they have a degree in a specialized field that is actually worth something. There are people working at starbucks with degrees. An accountant and a person with an art degree are going to vote differently due to the difference in income.

That art degree person is probably going to vote in favor of new affordable housing while that accountant probably isn't

 

[osh kosh bosh]

College educated is such a blanket term that means nothing without going into specifics.

College degrees are given out like candy. Did they major in underwater basket weaving or do they have a degree in a specialized field that is actually worth something. There are people working at starbucks with degrees. An accountant and a person with an art degree are going to vote differently due to the difference in income.

That art degree person is probably going to vote in favor of new affordable housing while that accountant probably isn't

Nah not really.

If they are a self identified Democrat and they have a college degree, art or accounting they are both incredibly likely to be to the left of a non college educated democrat.

The person with the art degree will make up some reason about "capitalism" or "gentrification" to justify vote against the housing.

But you can look at all the issue polling
the richest Democrats are generally to the left of their base.

 

[fluid hips]

Nah not really.

If they are a self identified Democrat and they have a college degree, art or accounting they are both incredibly likely to be to the left of a non college educated democrat.

The person with the art degree will make up some reason about "capitalism" or "gentrification" to justify vote against the housing.

But you can look at all the issue polling
the richest Democrats are generally to the left of their base.

Bro you just proved my point. It's a predictable pattern. They are basically following the same path as the older boomer democrats now.They lean left in their youth when they haven't acquired much capital capital/starting out in life. As they get older and acquire capital and inheritance from deceased parents, they abandon the left and its policies. Now they want to preserve their wealth. Then this same pattern repeats with their offspring.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Bro you just proved my point. It's a predictable pattern. They are basically following the same path as the older boomer democrats now.They lean left in their youth when they haven't acquired much capital capital/starting out in life. As they get older and acquire capital and inheritance from deceased parents, they abandon the left and its policies. Now they want to preserve their wealth. Then this same pattern repeats with their offspring.

They literally aren't
they are getting more progressive than the working class base.

The nimby thing is the same across all demographics
it's not unique to rich Democrats
rich Democrats just choose different words.

Rich Democrats get more money a donate to left wing candidates that are to the left of the democratic base.

It's not like my opinion, all the political science bare this out.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

If anything the biggest YIMBYS are hyper educated neo liberal center left types

It's just not true that rich college educated Dems are nimbys and working class are not.

 

[kdawg]

the dumbest timeline…

That’s a great example of multiple decades of failed education. Just insane.

 

[cragmatic]

That Carlin bit about people not critically thinking, reminds me of some Republicans and conservatives believing more in religious ideas than actual science and logic.

But his context was more towards big corps. Wall Street types.

But he’s basically saying, the rich and wealthy run the government, and that the parties are there to give us the illusion of choice, and then goes on to say we have no choice. Which can fall back to people not critical thinking as well when they fall into the two party paradigm. I mean it’s pretty s***** that it is almost always choosing for the lesser of two evils. Heck, I remember in 2004 the John Kerry nominee for the Dems, nobody liked him or was excited about him at all, I wasn’t old enough to vote but from what I can remember, nobody was happy about voting for John Kerry at all.

It’s a pretty bleak way of thinking, but I feel it’s most likely pretty spot on.

 

[cragmatic]

And for all the folks who believe Biden actually cares about protecting abortions rights, here’s a nice video for you from an interview from the mid 2000’s. Fast forward to 16:40. Figured it would be a better look to post the original video that was posted 13 years ago verse the one posted recently by NewsMa which just shows the abortion portion lol.

Straight from Biden’s mouth “I do not view abortion as a choice or a right, I think it’s always a tragedy.”

Or was he just pandering to Texas voters since it was on a Texas talk show? Or just another typical fake, two faced politician who is now POTUS.

 

[IATT]

That’s a great example of multiple decades of failed education. Just insane.

Never forget, from a republican

 

[IATT]

Saying the quiet part out loud, again

the white women who don’t go along...

 

[gry60]

Which can fall back to people not critical thinking as well when they fall into the two party paradigm

The two-party paradigm is built-in our electoral system by way of first-past-the-post voting.

If you change the way people are elected, there will be more political diversity in our legislative body.

To make those changes you have to be elected; to be elected, you have to be attached to either party. Hence, for example, Bernie Sanders (I) caucusing with Democrats and running as one.

It's ludicrous to think that people take part in this imperfect political system due to blind allegiance when unrepresented parties (independent, socialists) have recognized the situation above and are acting accordingly.

 

[IATT]

Where are all these hardcore religious nuts when when these rich white dudes are on their 3rd or 4th marriage?

 

[Deleted member 42060]

But he’s basically saying, the rich and wealthy run the government, and that the parties are there to give us the illusion of choice, and then goes on to say we have no choice. Which can fall back to people not critical thinking as well when they fall into the two party paradigm. I mean it’s pretty s***** that it is almost always choosing for the lesser of two evils. Heck, I remember in 2004 the John Kerry nominee for the Dems, nobody liked him or was excited about him at all, I wasn’t old enough to vote but from what I can remember, nobody was happy about voting for John Kerry at all.

It’s a pretty bleak way of thinking, but I feel it’s most likely pretty spot on.

Yeah I voted for Kerry and Edwards. At the time people were sick of Bush, and people believed he stole the 2000 election with Florida's help. Not to mention the Iraqi war they wanted to end. Weapons of mass destruction bs.

2016 to now, the Republican party has been wilding more than ever and I hold them responsible more than the Democrats for the issues America is facing.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

people believed he stole the 2000 election with Florida's help.

they did steal the election

 

[dwalk31]