***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[sneeker]

It’s kind of a pointless discussion since Bernie didn’t win the nomination, but he would have had trouble with being labeled a socialist.

regardless of that, Bernie was still ahead of Hillary. Hillary never gained any traction even if she won the nomination. Sanders supporters simply went to Trump as they distrusted Hillary. I don't believe that Hillary supporters would jump ship to Trump as they are pretty much solid Democrat supporters.

 

[Coupé It]

I guess one good thing that could end up happening is that the moderates start voting for Dems more.

I think it’s possible. I know moderates like that.

But I’m not sure those Moderates are in places that matter.

But they are in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida.

 

[Wargames]

You guys are going back and forth on Hilary and Bernie, but what we’re seeing is the culmination of 20+ years of habitual line stepping from conservatives that began with the theft of the 2000 presidential election. It is not a coincidence that multiple SC judges who voted for this were part of the team collected by republicans to steal that election. These are some of the most brazen and vulgar conservative legal minds around. I think this is only the beginning for these guys and they are going to keep pushing until they break the system or someone breaks them.

Specifically justice term limits and potentially a decentralization of the court itself.

 

[noskey]

So I have seen George Carlin praised in here a few times today…. And given that there have been a few who love to bash the “both sides takes” it made me remember this quote from Carlin. He seemed to have a very “both sides” belief. Sure he talked down more so on conservative beliefs, but at the end of the day, it was very clear he thought the entire thing was a sham. Ironic that when a few of us NTers have the same sentiment, we are shamed

You should read Dark Money by Jane Mayer. I think you'd enjoy it. And it highlights why money needs to be removed (ideally) from politics.

Pro tip: Pay attention to campaign spending and political action groups. Democrats don't get nearly the spending-per-candidate that Republicans get.

 

[1995]

it’s like believing professional wrestling is real.

Glenn sells himself as a libertarian btw

 

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[Deleted member 42060]

It's crazy to think antifa or the proud boys would like to participate in these marches or protests just to start a ruckus or something. They have their agendas.

 

[frink85]

Glenn sells himself as a libertarian btw

I was hoping for some shots at her vis a vis Vince and his recent controversies and this was the best

 

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[Wargames]

 

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[noskey]

It's crazy to think antifa or the proud boys would like to participate in these marches or protests just to start a ruckus or something. They have their agendas.

Sounds like a poorly worded slant to scare low-info viewers. Antifa isn't black bloc and they aren't anarchists.

 

[IATT]

the dumbest timeline…

 

[Deleted member 42060]

Sounds like a poorly worded slant to scare low-info viewers. Antifa isn't black bloc and they aren't anarchists.

True.

 

[aepps20]

Glenn sells himself as a libertarian btw

-foe

 

[moe200069]

I've seen it time and time again. People have to feel like they're being targeted in order to get them to the polls in massive numbers. I live in New Orleans, so I can speak with some experience. This is a majority black city. And after hurricane Katrina there was feeling that this city was going to be taken over (gentrified) by white elites. Then mayor Ray Nagin made a controversial speech about this city " remaining chocolate at the end of the day".


He caught a lot of flack for it nationally. But it worked! People who were displaced all over the country came back to New Orleans just to vote for him. And he ended up getting reelected. All i'm saying is when it comes to politics: fear works! You need something to shake people out of their apathy. The status quo isn't working.

2020 is a strong example that fear works in terms of getting people to the polls. not only did a record number of folks vote, but georgia, arizona, penn, michigan and wisconsin flipped. im assuming it’s because folks were afraid of 4 more years of trump. like you said, fear can break apathy.

 

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[Zainjal26]

Just saw the video

She jumped on his truck. She was being a moron.

 

[Quincy McCall]

It's gotta be expand the courts or die, for Dems and institutional democracy, right?

 

[noskey]

It's gotta be expand the courts or die, for Dems and institutional democracy, right?

Pretty much. We aren't getting the filibuster dropped to expand the court tho. So death it is.

 

[dinyc3st]

It really shows how they just want control. ***** out there spewing bs

 

[fluid hips]

Not saying he is correct

Just saying that some in the GOP just believe it will help them

Moving cost in America is really high, you are right, I don't think this will happen. The only issue is that college-aged affluent young white people are probably the most mobile demographic, and they are becoming a reliable Democratic voting bloc. But I think job opportunities motivate those decision more than anything else

Reliable for whom exactly? Their boomer parents are conservatives who want to keep the status quo intact because it benefits them and their children. This is how they maintain their generational wealth. Their affluence comes at the expense of the exclusion of others.

Kids dressing up and playing pretend liberals. It's a facade.

They are not your allies no matter how badly you want to pretend they are. They just smile in your face and stab you in the back. Secretly sabotaging you

 

[fluid hips]

And just like clockwork, people are going to die this weekend at protests/rallies.

Predictable yearly patterns during the summer months with these upheavals. It's like a bad TV show with a predictable storyline

 

[RustyShackleford]

Reliable for whom exactly? Their boomer parents are conservatives who want to keep the status quo intact because it benefits them and their children. This is how they maintain their generational wealth. Their affluence comes at the expense of the exclusion of others.

Kids dressing up and playing pretend liberals. It's a facade.

They are not your allies no matter how badly you want to pretend they are. They just smile in your face and stab you in the back. Secretly sabotaging you

Dude from exit polling.

Younger college-educated white people have been trending toward the Democratic Party.

Exit polls show both familiar and new voting blocs sealed Biden’s win

While whites continue to favor the Republican candidate—as they have in every presidential election since 1968—it is notable that this margin has been reduced from 20% to 15% nationally.

www.brookings.edu

It is no secret that education polarization, especially among white people has been happening for the last few cycles. Tons of people have said the same thing. The person I was responding to knew the point I was making. Mixed with a point about which groups are more likely to migrate within the Democratic coalition.

Y'all stay pulling out this ******* tired argument like I am talking about what in the hearts and minds of white people, and advocating people to trust them no matter waht. I am not.

I am talking about observable reality and observable trends, and y'all just want to strawman because that is seemingly easier to address my actual point in its actual context

 

[osh kosh bosh]

People seemed to be confused about the ideological composition of the democratic party.

Richer college educated democrats are more progressive than the black working class base of the part.

It's why Bernie lost to Hilary
Why Biden won the 2020 primary.

In (overly) simple terms.

It's a black working class more moderate base,
with an white progressive doner class.