***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Brownstone]

Easily the toughest Republican Candidate for Joe Biden to face.
This clip is absolutely appealing to normal people.

Too bad the for the Republicans he can't win a primary
republican primary voters are not normal people.

This clip is absolute nonsense though

There are few things I hate more than successful blacks who get where they at and then proceed to say look at what I did, Ben Carson did this too to a humiliating degree.

His comment "Good people — teachers, Chick-fil-A owners — came together to help me understand that if I took individual responsibility for myself, amazing things could happen.”

Not only is his statement contradictory, why did he need people to tell him to take responsibility for himself? It insinuates that Democrats do not believe that blacks are capable of individual responsibility (False) I also assure you that Fox watchers read that quote and assume these good people had to be white.

Tim Scott is a lame, and a non starter candidate

 

[Brownstone]

It's a totally accurate take.

Luckily the Democrats probably won't have to face him. But if he can become VP there's a chance, low but a chance. Becoming president is a pretty low probability outcome.

Tim Scott has a path, maybe not this cycle but if he can get the VP spot, he'd be formidable in the future.

And the take is not exactly a burning hot one either, has dem strategist have echoed similar sentiments.

Few Americans know Sen. Tim Scott, but some Democrats see him as a tough general election opponent

Donald Trump still leads the Republican field in the polls, but Democrats are eyeing the rest of the candidates.

www.google.com

Empty claims in the article of he would be tough, with no data or evidence to suggest any segments he would capture from Biden, much less Trump.

“Tim Scott [would] get more Black votes than Donald Trump did running against Joe Biden,” a Biden fundraiser said, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk freely. “It’s going to happen.”

Ok, based on what? The assumption that blacks are morons? no follow-up statement is provided to suggest he has any chance in the general other than broad claims of his appeal and more centrist values

 

[Wargames]

Going to be amazing when it eventually happens.

Honestly I hate to say this but not only should he sue them, legally he will have to to protect the use of his name and likeness. This would actually be a lawsuit he would be fully justified to do and would win it anywhere in the country.

 

[Wargames]

It's a totally accurate take.

Luckily the Democrats probably won't have to face him. But if he can become VP there's a chance, low but a chance. Becoming president is a pretty low probability outcome.

Tim Scott has a path, maybe not this cycle but if he can get the VP spot, he'd be formidable in the future.

And the take is not exactly a burning hot one either, has dem strategist have echoed similar sentiments.

Few Americans know Sen. Tim Scott, but some Democrats see him as a tough general election opponent

Donald Trump still leads the Republican field in the polls, but Democrats are eyeing the rest of the candidates.

www.google.com

No way on God’s free earth is Tim Scott either nominees VP.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This clip is absolute nonsense though

There are few things I hate more than successful blacks who get where they at and then proceed to say look at what I did, Ben Carson did this too to a humiliating degree.

His comment "Good people — teachers, Chick-fil-A owners — came together to help me understand that if I took individual responsibility for myself, amazing things could happen.”

Not only is his statement contradictory, why did he need people to tell him to take responsibility for himself? It insinuates that Democrats do not believe that blacks are capable of individual responsibility (False) I also assure you that Fox watchers read that quote and assume these good people had to be white.

Tim Scott is a lame, and a non starter candidate

I'm not commenting on the accuracy of what he says in the clip. I just said it's appealing to normal non hyper poltical people.

Imo there are definitely consertive black male voters who take a more jaundice view of the democratic party, and vote democrat because of lack of options, not because they love Democrats.

And Hard work narratives are generally popular.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

No way on God’s free earth is Tim Scott either nominees VP.

I think he will def be in the mix, provided he doesn't burn any bridges.

But we'll see I guess.

 

[elpablo21]

The party will burn the bridge before he does

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

Honestly I hate to say this but not only should he sue them, legally he will have to to protect the use of his name and likeness. This would actually be a lawsuit he would be fully justified to do and would win it anywhere in the country.

The win-win is if he offers a licensing agreement at a reasonable cost along with the C&D. The goodwill the restaurant generates for him would be better than whatever nonsense he thinks his name is worth.

But we all know he won’t do that.

 

[05fordgt]

My favorite analogy I've seen (multiple times on different sites) of Bannon has and will always be "if the smell of cat piss has a face"

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Empty claims in the article of he would be tough, with no data or evidence to suggest any segments he would capture from Biden, much less Trump.

“Tim Scott [would] get more Black votes than Donald Trump did running against Joe Biden,” a Biden fundraiser said, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk freely. “It’s going to happen.”

Ok, based on what? The assumption that blacks are morons? no follow-up statement is provided to suggest he has any chance in the general other than broad claims of his appeal and more centrist values

1. He wouldn't even necessarily have to top Trump's performance with black voters, if he can simply repeat it,
while reclaiming suburban woman, and suburban republicans in general, he'd be a super tough out in the general.

and if he manages to do better, well then they are really cooking with gas.

2. TBH I don't know if he would do better, Trump has unique appeal. thats hard to model but I think he'd have a shot to do it, and Democrats can't afford to lose any black voters.
he's the only Republican with a positive favorability rating.

Republican primary voters seem to be warming to him,
if Desantis continues to falter, he could emerge as the top #2 choice.

his chance this cycle is low, but you squint and theres a chance imo.

 

[dacomeup]

It's a totally accurate take.

Luckily the Democrats probably won't have to face him. But if he can become VP there's a chance, low but a chance. Becoming president is a pretty low probability outcome.

Tim Scott has a path, maybe not this cycle but if he can get the VP spot, he'd be formidable in the future.

And the take is not exactly a burning hot one either, has dem strategist have echoed similar sentiments.

Few Americans know Sen. Tim Scott, but some Democrats see him as a tough general election opponent

Donald Trump still leads the Republican field in the polls, but Democrats are eyeing the rest of the candidates.

www.google.com

Yea, the rationale of that article is pretty much he’ll make people think about how old Biden is and he can peel off the Black vote. That seems pretty lazy . Peel off the Black vote while refusing to even talk about race, address structural inequality or systemic racism.

The entire path is a pie in the sky fantasy given how racist the Republican Party is. They aren’t electing a Black dude as the Presidential candidate. Their base is not doing that. “Anonymous dem strategist” with no backing poll wise is not strong proof either you know this

 

[chao7]

So the Tennessee AG is forcing Vanderbilt university to hand over private medical records of Trans people as well as those of...people who even sent in questions regarding the care those individuals might receive?

I'm sure ignored content will come in to discuss this breach of privacy

 

[RustyShackleford]

The case for Tim Scott is mainly an innocuous political take of a more mainstream non-Trumpy conservative with more moderate rhetoric being a tougher opponent to beat than Trump. Mainly because of them being better at winning swing voters.

But Osh's Tim Scott-specific argument relies on some significant assumptions.

-First, the argument for Scott in a general election seems to be based on the assumption that he replicates Trump's numbers and trends and does better with swing conservative-leaning voters.

So white rural voters are going to be as excited for Scott as Trump? Will Scott replicate the splits in educated vs. non-educated,? Will he be able to replicate Trump's numbers with Latinos?

Even if he makes inroads with black men, are they gonna be in the right places? He needs to flip the black men In WI, PA, MI (we have a recent example of a black moderate not being enough to flip a Senate seat), and GA.

Hillary Clinton thought she could replicate the Obama coalition, and her slipping in a few places cost her big.

I think the same worries should apply to Tim Scott. That him not being Trump will help in some areas, and hurt in others, and it is hard to say how things shake out given the margins for victory are razor thin.

I think a more normie conservative without the baggage of Trump would claw back some Trump-hating moderate conservatives. But that might not be enough on aggregate.

-This whole VP angel seems like even more of a reach. Who is he going to be VP to, Trump? If so that will make him a well-known far-right conservative reactionary. He has a positive net rating right now mainly because he is unknown.

Trump will be his identity after four years of trying to sugarcoat his ********.

The 2028 Republican primary will be tough on him because he can either run under the Trump banner to protect his right flank which makes him toxic for the general.

Or try to moderate which hurts him with far-right primary voters.

Also, he is not gonna be facing Joe Biden in 2028. That article osh kosh bosh posted specifically talked about his prospect vs. 2024 Biden.

In 2028 after four more years of Trump, he will be facing a fresh face on the Dem ticket that will be younger, more dynamic, with an activated Dem base behind them. All the on-paper positives with his identity get washed away if he has to face some like Warnock. Someone younger, also from the deep South, and seemingly a better political talent.

One of my Econometric professors said that a good economics paper depends on the assumptions made at the beginning. How plausible they are, and how to set the framework for what is coming. A good economist that writes good papers knows how to do the right amount of world-building with the right assumptions.

But if you make too many assumptions, and have to do too much world-building, you become a fiction writer.

At this point, the case for Tim Scott seems based on too many stars aligning, and too much hand waving. If things change, my opinion will change.

But to me, it seems like Tim Scott needs to start praying to Ronald Regan and the white God he worships on some Uncle Ruckus steez if he wants to be president

He gonna be all the help he can get

 

[RustyShackleford]

Also, if abortion is a salient issue for voters next year. That is a major problem for Scott in a general election

 

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Tim Scott

 

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[wavycrocket]

it is beyond predictable at this point. I wish the Putin puppets in the West would get a little bit more creative



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[IATT]

The case for Tim Scott is mainly an innocuous political take of a more mainstream non-Trumpy conservative with more moderate rhetoric being a tougher opponent to beat than Trump. Mainly because of them being better at winning swing voters.

But Osh's Tim Scott-specific argument relies on some significant assumptions.

-First, the argument for Scott in a general election seems to be based on the assumption that he replicates Trump's numbers and trends and does better with swing conservative-leaning voters.

So white rural voters are going to be as excited for Scott as Trump? Will Scott replicate the splits in educated vs. non-educated,? Will he be able to replicate Trump's numbers with Latinos?

Even if he makes inroads with black men, are they gonna be in the right places? He needs to flip the black men In WI, PA, MI (we have a recent example of a black moderate not being enough to flip a Senate seat), and GA.

Hillary Clinton thought she could replicate the Obama coalition, and her slipping in a few places cost her big.

I think the same worries should apply to Tim Scott. That him not being Trump will help in some areas, and hurt in others, and it is hard to say how things shake out given the margins for victory are razor thin.

I think a more normie conservative without the baggage of Trump would claw back some Trump-hating moderate conservatives. But that might not be enough on aggregate.

-This whole VP angel seems like even more of a reach. Who is he going to be VP to, Trump? If so that will make him a well-known far-right conservative reactionary. He has a positive net rating right now mainly because he is unknown.

Trump will be his identity after four years of trying to sugarcoat his bull****.

The 2028 Republican primary will be tough on him because he can either run under the Trump banner to protect his right flank which makes him toxic for the general.

Or try to moderate which hurts him with far-right primary voters.

Also, he is not gonna be facing Joe Biden in 2028. That article osh kosh bosh posted specifically talked about his prospect vs. 2024 Biden.

In 2028 after four more years of Trump, he will be facing a fresh face on the Dem ticket that will be younger, more dynamic, with an activated Dem base behind them. All the on-paper positives with his identity get washed away if he has to face some like Warnock. Someone younger, also from the deep South, and seemingly a better political talent.

One of my Econometric professors said that a good economics paper depends on the assumptions made at the beginning. How plausible they are, and how to set the framework for what is coming. A good economist that writes good papers knows how to do the right amount of world-building with the right assumptions.

But if you make too many assumptions, and have to do too much world-building, you become a fiction writer.

At this point, the case for Tim Scott seems based on too many stars aligning, and too much hand waving. If things change, my opinion will change.

But to me, it seems like Tim Scott needs to start praying to Ronald Regan and the white God he worships on some Uncle Ruckus steez if he wants to be president

He gonna be all the help he can get

tim need to show more than being black

a little charisma would help

otherwise he’s a republican that has won offices that were previously held by republicans and won by republicans once he left

other than being a black man, I’m not sure what Tim has actually shown that would bring more to the table for republicans.. while factoring in what gets taken off the table by having a black man in a role of significance

 

[mister friendly]

Good article. A lot things in the article are true.

 

[rexanglorum]

Ok, but can you please upload the actual ig video…

Because that screencap of Dominican Don is hilarious!

Pio would actually be happy (the lil dude actually a trump supporter )

Here ya go, papi.

 

[rexanglorum]

The case for Tim Scott is mainly an innocuous political take of a more mainstream non-Trumpy conservative with more moderate rhetoric being a tougher opponent to beat than Trump. Mainly because of them being better at winning swing voters.

But Osh's Tim Scott-specific argument relies on some significant assumptions.

-First, the argument for Scott in a general election seems to be based on the assumption that he replicates Trump's numbers and trends and does better with swing conservative-leaning voters.

So white rural voters are going to be as excited for Scott as Trump? Will Scott replicate the splits in educated vs. non-educated,? Will he be able to replicate Trump's numbers with Latinos?

Even if he makes inroads with black men, are they gonna be in the right places? He needs to flip the black men In WI, PA, MI (we have a recent example of a black moderate not being enough to flip a Senate seat), and GA.

Hillary Clinton thought she could replicate the Obama coalition, and her slipping in a few places cost her big.

I think the same worries should apply to Tim Scott. That him not being Trump will help in some areas, and hurt in others, and it is hard to say how things shake out given the margins for victory are razor thin.

I think a more normie conservative without the baggage of Trump would claw back some Trump-hating moderate conservatives. But that might not be enough on aggregate.

-This whole VP angel seems like even more of a reach. Who is he going to be VP to, Trump? If so that will make him a well-known far-right conservative reactionary. He has a positive net rating right now mainly because he is unknown.

Trump will be his identity after four years of trying to sugarcoat his bull****.

The 2028 Republican primary will be tough on him because he can either run under the Trump banner to protect his right flank which makes him toxic for the general.

Or try to moderate which hurts him with far-right primary voters.

Also, he is not gonna be facing Joe Biden in 2028. That article osh kosh bosh posted specifically talked about his prospect vs. 2024 Biden.

In 2028 after four more years of Trump, he will be facing a fresh face on the Dem ticket that will be younger, more dynamic, with an activated Dem base behind them. All the on-paper positives with his identity get washed away if he has to face some like Warnock. Someone younger, also from the deep South, and seemingly a better political talent.

One of my Econometric professors said that a good economics paper depends on the assumptions made at the beginning. How plausible they are, and how to set the framework for what is coming. A good economist that writes good papers knows how to do the right amount of world-building with the right assumptions.

But if you make too many assumptions, and have to do too much world-building, you become a fiction writer.

At this point, the case for Tim Scott seems based on too many stars aligning, and too much hand waving. If things change, my opinion will change.

But to me, it seems like Tim Scott needs to start praying to Ronald Regan and the white God he worships on some Uncle Ruckus steez if he wants to be president

He gonna be all the help he can get

I’ve thought about that Yung Joc line where he claims he’s the black Donald Trump. I’ve thought who would actually be the black equivalent to Donald Trump. In a non political context, I’d say Don King.

But in the political context, there is no one to one nor will there ever be. Donald Trump’s whiteness allowed him to publically be rude, crude, misogynistic, and anti-intellectual and have it energize more rural/non college whites than it alienated college educated/white collar swing voters. A black guy couldn’t do that and get elected president.

If you’re black and you want to get elected president, you have to be very polished and restrained like Obama. At the local and congressional district, POC can and do win presenting a more confrontational and left populist approach by being selectively rude and anti-intellectual against biased, rightwing studies, think tanks, and norms. In a generation it’d be possible to see a left populist POC win the presidency but a POC who is right populist like Trump literally could not become president.

It’s ironic that Tim Scott will never be president due, in part, to the very white privilege/white supremacy that he denies exists.