***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[00david00]

Fly to who, the salty GOP, people obsessed with the emails? Comey wouldn't have to explain himself, not matter the outcome of the reading of the new emails, if he followed standard procedure. He is not a political actor, he is a civil servant, he doesn't need to consider the optics or the GOP's feelings. He only became one when he decide to write that vague letter, and then pretty much acknowledges he knew there would be poltical fallout from it in his memo.

Plus he is under no obligation to write that letter. So I'm just not gonna buying that he was in a tough spot, a tough spot that Lynch and Clinton help put him in.
He made a judgment call, fine, but and and everyone has the right to point out that it was just that, him using his judgment. And the judgment he made is not based on any normal operating procedure of the FBI.

Fly to the public. A public that has lost trust in basically every one of our highest institutions. That's a trend that's been brewing for a long time, which is why someone like Trump can come around and say "It's rigged" and actually gain traction for it. It's troubling because our society fundamentally requires this trust.

I'll use myself as an example. If the FBI just came out with a statement in July that there will be no charges, and that's that, I would be confused considering just how messy the server issue is. Instead, he went to Capitol Hill and defended the decision against an army of House Rs trying to poke holes in every decision he made along the way. He did a hell of a job too, and gave genuine answers to every question he could. That gave me confidence in the FBI, and his competence as the director. I appreciated that he would be so transparent. I don't like that he's being placed in the line of fire for doing so. Didn't like Rs doing it then, don't like the left doing it now. Obviously, everyone is free to call out his judgment, I'm just saying I disagree.

So no, he doesn't owe that to me or the general public (and I could care less about house GOP feelings), and he is under no obligation to do so. But I appreciate it.

Now, playing that line is obviously very tricky. How often do they open up like this? Which cases? What do you do with timing this close to the election? I can't answer that. Going by standard procedure from the beginning would have made his life much easier. But I like that there is an effort by somebody in the middle of the highest levels of our government/politics trying to make things clear. I hope that attitude continues.

 

[noskey]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/99a98a...a1083a3/ss_trump-booted-a-black-man-from.html

So, which one of our two resident NTers was this? I know he didn't break your hearts because his blatant racism didn't seem to bother you before either.

From that article about the guy who got booted:

“I support Trump because he's honest,” Cary told the Telegram. “You can work with an honest person and convince them their vision isn't in the best interest of everyone. You can't work with dishonest people. That's why I don't like Obama — the worst president in American history.”

I just don't understand how people can think this... even the stupid people, how can they possibly think this?

Don't underestimate the power of stupidity. The dumbest people think the loudest person is the correct one regardless of the falsehoods or misinformation spewed.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Anyone been keeping up with the Standing Rock anti DAPL protests?

 

[boris]

From that article about the guy who got booted:
I just don't understand how people can think this... even the stupid people, how can they possibly think this?

It's pretty amazing considering everything he says is a lie or a deflection. People that don't take personal responsibility are the scum of the earth.

 

[leavemeglazzies]

 
It's pretty amazing considering everything he says is a lie or a deflection. People that don't take personal responsibility are the scum of the earth.

Drumpf himself is practically mocking them and saying how robotic they are. Remember the "I could shoot someone and it wouldn't bother them" quote.

Come to think of it, that's probably the only true statement he's made his entire campaign.

 

[Armada]

Guys I gotta say...I just got back from voting and when I was about to cast my ballot I just thought about all the youtube videos Ninja posted and I started second guessing my vote for Clinton...

I realized I couldn't do it

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

You thought **** Trump 

 

 

[RustyShackleford]

Fly to who, the salty GOP, people obsessed with the emails? Comey wouldn't have to explain himself, not matter the outcome of the reading of the new emails, if he followed standard procedure. He is not a political actor, he is a civil servant, he doesn't need to consider the optics or the GOP's feelings. He only became one when he decide to write that vague letter, and then pretty much acknowledges he knew there would be poltical fallout from it in his memo.

Plus he is under no obligation to write that letter. So I'm just not gonna buying that he was in a tough spot, a tough spot that Lynch and Clinton help put him in.
He made a judgment call, fine, but and and everyone has the right to point out that it was just that, him using his judgment. And the judgment he made is not based on any normal operating procedure of the FBI.

Fly to the public. A public that has lost trust in basically every one of our highest institutions. That's a trend that's been brewing for a long time, which is why someone like Trump can come around and say "It's rigged" and actually gain traction for it. It's troubling because our society fundamentally requires this trust.

I'll use myself as an example. If the FBI just came out with a statement in July that there will be no charges, and that's that, I would be confused considering just how messy the server issue is. Instead, he went to Capitol Hill and defended the decision against an army of House Rs trying to poke holes in every decision he made along the way. He did a hell of a job too, and gave genuine answers to every question he could. That gave me confidence in the FBI, and his competence as the director. I appreciated that he would be so transparent. I don't like that he's being placed in the line of fire for doing so. Didn't like Rs doing it then, don't like the left doing it now. Obviously, everyone is free to call out his judgment, I'm just saying I disagree.

So no, he doesn't owe that to me or the general public (and I could care less about house GOP feelings), and he is under no obligation to do so. But I appreciate it.

Now, playing that line is obviously very tricky. How often do they open up like this? Which cases? What do you do with timing this close to the election? I can't answer that. Going by standard procedure from the beginning would have made his life much easier. But I like that there is an effort by somebody in the middle of the highest levels of our government/politics trying to make things clear. I hope that attitude continues.

Comey was called in front of Congress by the House Oversight committee, he had to go. He wasn't addressing the concerns of the public, he had to go get crucified by the GOP.

And really? You really would call this vague letter trying to make things clear. Within 24 hours (hell even an hour) sources within the FBI leaked to the press that it wasn't from Clinton's server, it was from Wiener, the email may be duplicates, the FBI hasn't read them yet, they don't even have legal authority yet. For a man that claims he just wants to keep things on the up and up, dude completely failed at that. So much, that he felt motivated to write a memo explaining himself to the entire Bureau.

And stop with the false equivalency. The left it saying Comey didn't follow procedure, and if he was going to make that move, give the details about the new evidence because his timing and vagueness are going to affect a presidential election. And they are right, Trump is out there thanking the FBI, and his surrogates are saying Comey letter just jump started their campaign again.

The right accused him of being bought, about Bill cutting a deal with Lynch, and then called the man in front of Congress to try to publicly shamed him and politically injure Hillary.

-----And let be honest about why the public's faith in your highest institutions has eroded. It is only one side that refuses bipartisanship, one side that tries to tank the economy for political gain, one side that says our economics metrics are falsified when they don't like what they hear, and one side that tries to suppress voters.

Democrats don't go around talking conspiracy about the FED, BLS, FBI, and so on. If people truly one an hour to research this case, they could have seen Hillary was not going to be charged even before the decision was announced.

 

[aj11fan]

Ninja is this you??

 

[00david00]

1. He could have easily gone and essentially not answered questions, like Lynch in her testimonies.

2. Call it a false equivalency. I'm just saying, maybe the I'm With Her camp should go after Trump for parading this letter as something it's not, or other Rs who are misrepresenting the letter, not the FBI director. For example: "this is probably nothing, read the letter itself, its' really a technicality more than anything else and the other side is spinning it." What is the accusation that I'm supposed to buy? That Comey threw protocol out the window for... ? His own ego, Good graces of the GOP, get a lick on Clinton, get Trump elected, side with Putin? I think he's been trying to be transparent for months, maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

3. Not sure what you mean by faith in "my" highest institutions.

4. Painting the Rs as guilty of all of it is simply not true. I'm going to be vague, but I know for a fact that I've been played by dems on a particular issue. My community has been misled on this topic for years, and while Dems are nice enough to say that they want to see it come to fruition (few are), on the inside most are very well aware that it has been stalled in committees purposefully, and they want it that way to avoid upsetting another interest. It's fine, Rs do it too, it's politics, but I can't buy that one party is responsible for skepticism.

Regardless, this doesn't seem like much of a conversation at this point. We clearly have two fundamentally different views of both parties.

 

[essential1]

This is the best case for Trump, if this is where the race sits.

Hillary has 41 ways to win, Trump 22 ways to win, 9 tie possibilities.

When you look further into it,

New Mexico

Clinton has trailed in only 3 polls since May, 2 Ipsos into September & a Google Consumer Survey. Ipsos has Clinton up 9, Google somehow has Clinton up 24. Other polls Survey Monkey has her up 8. Zia has her up 5.

Can throw out the Google poll.

Gary Johnson, from New Mexico is doing to well, and has been around 15% the whole time, lowest I've seen was the Zia poll at 9%. That makes it incredibly hard for Trump to steal it because the amount of undecideds are at best 5%, and when the undecided number goes up it has impacted Trump more than Clinton.

Texas has as much likelihood going Blue, as New Mexico has going red this election.

This would give Clinton 22 ways to win, Trump 9 (Florida must win) & 5 tie scenarios

Pennsylvania

Last 10 polls, Clinton has polled at least at 45%, 6 of those polls are at 48%, 3 at 47%, 1 at 46%, 1 at 45%. Gary Johnson has been polling at 5% for over a month.

Trump's highest polling has been at 42-43%.. In each of those polls Hillary has polled at 47-48%, Gary at 5-6%. If that's the case, Donald needs to not only win 84% of the remaining undecided voters, but take a full percentage point from Hillary.

 

[leavemeglazzies]

This is the best case for Trump, if this is where the race sits.




Hillary has 41 ways to win, Trump 22 ways to win, 9 tie possibilities.

When you look further into it,

New Mexico
Pennsylvania

Such specific and scientific breakdowns of the possibilities of the election results will fall on deaf ears when it comes to the supporters of The Bigot. But that's not surprising considering specifics isn't their thing anyway and they're happy with a "It's going to be great. Believe me.".

 

[everysingletime]

There is a time for transparency. In a society that reads headlines and don't go much further than that, to come out and say that the fbi reopened investigations could influence an election for no reason. Now if something had come of that investigation then yea, the public should know about it. It's just placing more mistrust on Hilary at the wrong time when it may not even be warranted.

 

[deleted]

Anyone been keeping up with the Standing Rock anti DAPL protests?

Is that where the people saw the giant herd of wild buffalo?

 

[seandon23]

There is a time for transparency. In a society that reads headlines and don't go much further than that, to come out and say that the fbi reopened investigations could influence an election for no reason. Now if something had come of that investigation then yea, the public should know about it. It's just placing more mistrust on Hilary at the wrong time when it may not even be warranted.

this. if there was evidence Comey should come out and say so but there is nothing going by what he says to prove this otherwise. the way he handled the situation was terrible imo and cost him his job for good reason.

 

[AEA18]

Anyone been keeping up with the Standing Rock anti DAPL protests?

Yeah. It's sad there is barely any media covering what's going on.

If it wasn't for social media I wouldn't know what was really going down in ND


North Dakota pipeline activists say arrested protesters were kept in dog kennels

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-north-dakota-pipeline-20161028-story.html

 

[RustyShackleford]

1. He could have easily gone and essentially not answered questions, like Lynch in her testimonies.

2. Call it a false equivalency. I'm just saying, maybe the I'm With Her camp should go after Trump for parading this letter as something it's not, or other Rs who are misrepresenting the letter, not the FBI director. For example: "this is probably nothing, read the letter itself, its' really a technicality more than anything else and the other side is spinning it." What is the accusation that I'm supposed to buy? That Comey threw protocol out the window for... ? His own ego, Good graces of the GOP, get a lick on Clinton, get Trump elected, side with Putin? I think he's been trying to be transparent for months, maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.

3. Not sure what you mean by faith in "my" highest institutions.

4. Painting the Rs as guilty of all of it is simply not true. I'm going to be vague, but I know for a fact that I've been played by dems on a particular issue. My community has been misled on this topic for years, and while Dems are nice enough to say that they want to see it come to fruition (few are), on the inside most are very well aware that it has been stalled in committees purposefully, and they want it that way to avoid upsetting another interest. It's fine, Rs do it too, it's politics, but I can't buy that one party is responsible for skepticism.

Regardless, this doesn't seem like much of a conversation at this point. We clearly have two fundamentally different views of both parties.

Yeah, if you're go be intentionally vague, and keep pushing the false equivalencies, then there is no point in me responding to your posts anymore.

-the "your" was a typo. I reword the sentence and didn't catch that.

 

[daddy style]

So we have a white boy trump supporter screaming Jew S A at reporters, white students dressing up as the first Black President of The United States with a noose around their neck, and a cop's wife fakes a burglary, blaming it on Black Lives Matter, those of you who are of color had better take some sort of self defense class pretty soon...it's about to get lit due to Donald Trump pulling the sheet back off these dumb *************...[emoji]128514[/emoji]

 

[biggie62]

Anyone been keeping up with the Standing Rock anti DAPL protests?

Yeah. It's sad there is barely any media covering what's going on.

If it wasn't for social media I wouldn't know what was really going down in ND


North Dakota pipeline activists say arrested protesters were kept in dog kennels

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-north-dakota-pipeline-20161028-story.html

Welcome to the humiliating treatment of the true natives in this land. It's despicable.

 

[RIP sleazyy]

Anyone been keeping up with the Standing Rock anti DAPL protests?

Is that where the people saw the giant herd of wild buffalo?

Yup.

Anyone been keeping up with the Standing Rock anti DAPL protests?

Yeah. It's sad there is barely any media covering what's going on.

If it wasn't for social media I wouldn't know what was really going down in ND


North Dakota pipeline activists say arrested protesters were kept in dog kennels

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-north-dakota-pipeline-20161028-story.html

I looked on CNN's site earlier and on the front page, the only article about it was about how some of the people from the primary tribe believe the protesters should leave.

Wildly underreported. Apparently the UN is sending human rights observers to Standing Rock also.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This pipeline protest has got out of control unnecessarily just because engineers couldn't respect these people enough to make sure their water supply won't be affected.

By wanting to avoid another Keystone situation, the engineers and developers might have created exactly that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Word is there are over 650,000 emails on Wiener's laptop.

I'm betting that at least 50K of them emails are pipe pics. I could see a dude like him just taking dong photos with random stuff in the background, just cause. One with his Keurig Machine, another with his Aero press, another with his joint in between a chop cheese.

 

[EddieDoyers]

Word is there are over 650,000 emails on Wiener's laptop.

I'm betting that at least 50K of them joints are pipe pics. I could see a dude like him just taking dong photos with random stuff in the background, just cause. One with his Keurig Machine, another with his Aero press, another with his joint in between a chop cheese.

Stop Rusty
You are giving me nightmares with that description

 

[whywesteppin]

these headlines are but too: "FBI to scour 650K emails for Clinton ties in bulging Weiner probe"

 

[whywesteppin]

I was thinking earlier (I know, that was my first mistake) -- what if the FEC made a rule that candidates would be held accountable for what they said during a campaign for national office? They would have a nonpartisan committee who would review any clearly factual claims by each candidate and then give out fines if they could determine conclusively that the candidate was lying?

I know it's a slippery slope and I can't imagine it working in practice, but it would clean up a lot of the crap we see in campaigns.

 

[Nike Jordan]